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Post by madmikev20 on Nov 21, 2017 7:16:19 GMT
It was an insane decision not to, from a financial standpoint. I'm not sure what WB execs were thinking. Batman was WB's biggest comic book adapted money in the 80s and 90s, and then again in mid-to-late 2000s. Batman was WB's only proven success. It wasn't until the abysmal Batman & Robin that halted the successful franchise for a while...until Chris Nolan resurrected it with his masterpieces. And then, his sequel which even tops the great first. And Oscar nominated. Batman was already successful in the 90s, and now WB hits an even greater jackpot with Batman - a critically-acclaimed and a box office smash.
So what's WB do? They scrap the series and reboot it! If you have a successful comic book series of movies already, and you are interested in created a shared universe, then wouldn't you want to use what you already have?
People say Nolan's movies are "too realistic." But I don't agree at all. Batman's world starts out as realistic and grounded as Batman's main enemies are the mob: the ending monologue between Gordon and Batman at the end of Batman Begins was supposed to give way to the eventual wave of more fantastical villains: "inflation" - remember?
With the way Man of Steel was portrayed, I could see that as being a part of Nolan's world. It was a fairly serious movie featuring Superman. In truth, Man of Steel leaned on the edge of the seriousness and grittiness of The Dark Knight without being as fantasy-oriented as Suicide Squad and BvS. It's like they were waiting to see how it did before they decided where to go with it.
People say Marvel came first with their shared universe. But WB had a chance to come first had they used Batman Begins as the first movie of the universe. And movies don't have to be created initially as a shared universe - that idea can come later. Batman Begins wasn't planned on being a trilogy, either. Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street were never shared universes until someone had the idea for "Freddy vs. Jason."
And the ending of the Dark Knight Rises gives way to the perfect introductory for BvS: Batman retires with Selina, and upon Superman's destruction, he comes out of retirement to fight Superman as Batman.
Bale's return to the role would have helped the box office significantly; imagine people flocking to see Bale's Batman from TDK take on Superman. Letting TDK go really hurts the Batman/DC franchise. It was too soon to reboot such great movies still fresh in people's mind. And if nothing else, if Bale turned it down, which is unlikely as he said he wasn't offered, then as a last resort, recast him with Affleck but still keep the same universe with Michael Caine as Alfred, Oldman as Gordon, etc. It'd still be better than rebooting it completely.
And why hire Snyder to take over from Nolan, you are supposed to top the previous director not make him worse. I was excited to see Batman movies before but I don't have the same anticipation. TDK movies rocked. And now it's gone.
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Post by _ on Nov 21, 2017 7:19:49 GMT
It was an insane decision not to, from a financial standpoint. I'm not sure what WB execs were thinking. Batman was WB's biggest comic book adapted money in the 80s and 90s, and then again in mid-to-late 2000s. Batman was WB's only proven success. It wasn't until the abysmal Batman & Robin that halted the successful franchise for a while...until Chris Nolan resurrected it with his masterpieces. And then, his sequel which even tops the great first. And Oscar nominated. Batman was already successful in the 90s, and now WB hits an even greater jackpot with Batman - a critically-acclaimed and a box office smash. So what's WB do? They scrap the series and reboot it! If you have a successful comic book series of movies already, and you are interested in created a shared universe, then wouldn't you want to use what you already have? People say Nolan's movies are "too realistic." But I don't agree at all. Batman's world starts out as realistic and grounded as Batman's main enemies are the mob: the ending monologue between Gordon and Batman at the end of Batman Begins was supposed to give way to the eventual wave of more fantastical villains: "inflation" - remember? With the way Man of Steel was portrayed, I could see that as being a part of Nolan's world. It was a fairly serious movie featuring Superman. In truth, Man of Steel leaned on the edge of the seriousness and grittiness of The Dark Knight without being as fantasy-oriented as Suicide Squad and BvS. It's like they were waiting to see how it did before they decided where to go with it. People say Marvel came first with their shared universe. But WB had a chance to come first had they used Batman Begins as the first movie of the universe. And movies don't have to be created initially as a shared universe - that idea can come later. Batman Begins wasn't planned on being a trilogy, either. Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street were never shared universes until someone had the idea for "Freddy vs. Jason." And the ending of the Dark Knight Rises gives way to the perfect introductory for BvS: Batman retires with Selina, and upon Superman's destruction, he comes out of retirement to fight Superman as Batman. Bale's return to the role would have helped the box office significantly; imagine people flocking to see Bale's Batman from TDK take on Superman. Letting TDK go really hurts the Batman/DC franchise. It was too soon to reboot such great movies still fresh in people's mind. And if nothing else, if Bale turned it down, which is unlikely as he said he wasn't offered, then as a last resort, recast him with Affleck but still keep the same universe with Michael Caine as Alfred, Oldman as Gordon, etc. It'd still be better than rebooting it completely. And why hire Snyder to take over from Nolan, you are supposed to top the previous director not make him worse. I was excited to see Batman movies before but I don't have the same anticipation. TDK movies rocked. And now it's gone. Been saying that for years. |
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Post by moviebuffbrad on Nov 21, 2017 7:54:44 GMT
Would have been swell. Plus, retaining Nolan's Batman would have spared us both psychotic serial killer Batman and Marilyn Manson Joker. To add to your point, plenty of Batman comics are just as gritty and realistic as Nolan's films.
It probably didn't happen because Nolan didn't want it to, if I were to guess.
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Post by tastytomatoes on Nov 21, 2017 11:32:32 GMT
This can only be a fantasy, but cannot happen realistically.
First, Nolan would not want his trilogy to be involved in a shared universe, and the cast of TDK Trilogy including Bale said they would only return for another film if Nolan is directing. Plus, the trilogy ended the legacy of Batman perfectly.
Bale's Batman in TDK Trilogy is very realistic hence is impossible to introduce the Justice League's characters. While the comics has always stressed that Batman has no superpowers, of course he has super durability, stamina, strength, etc. WB need to make their own Batman for a Justice League movie to be possible.
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Post by tastytomatoes on Nov 21, 2017 11:39:13 GMT
And why hire Snyder to take over from Nolan, you are supposed to top the previous director not make him worse. I was excited to see Batman movies before but I don't have the same anticipation. TDK movies rocked. And now it's gone. Nolan pitched the idea of Snyder directing Man of Steel to WB. Also, you can't expect to "top" Christopher Nolan when he is one of the top working directors. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 14:37:10 GMT
It wouldn't have worked, Nolan dislikes powered Superheroes and didn't want anything to do with actual Superheroes while he was doing his movie.
Heck, he even said that his movies were supposed to be set in a world where no one had even heard of any fictional characters who had secret identities. Like Zorro or anything. He really really wanted his movies isolated.
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Post by sostie on Nov 21, 2017 14:48:10 GMT
Not sure if it would have worked. Nolan's more "realistic" view of Batman mixed in with a universe of speedsters, "Gods" and cyborgs...interesting, but perhaps difficult.
I had similar thoughts watching Netflix's Punisher at the weekend. They are in the same universe, but can't imagine his integration into the world of The Avengers.
As for Snyder...based on the great jobs he did on Watchmen and 300, I would have picked him. Shame it didn't pan out
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Post by Xcalatë on Nov 21, 2017 15:12:52 GMT
Agreed, I don't understand that decision either the Dark Knight films where a success and the just pushed them aside.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 16:28:14 GMT
I had similar thoughts watching Netflix's Punisher at the weekend. They are in the same universe, but can't imagine his integration into the world of The Avengers. Zemo was just an ordinary man with training, he fit in pretty well as an Avengers villain. |
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Post by politicidal on Nov 21, 2017 17:33:13 GMT
They offered Bale 50 million to come back. He said no. He wouldn't do it without Nolan. He probably became leery of blockbuster roles after "Terminator: Salvation". |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Nov 21, 2017 18:28:00 GMT
Absolutely.
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Post by sostie on Nov 21, 2017 19:10:26 GMT
I had similar thoughts watching Netflix's Punisher at the weekend. They are in the same universe, but can't imagine his integration into the world of The Avengers. Zemo was just an ordinary man with training, he fit in pretty well as an Avengers villain. I'm referring more to a character in such a dark universe fitting into one that is much "lighter". I'd like to see it, but I think it could be quite jarring |
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Post by Archelaus on Nov 21, 2017 19:49:34 GMT
It was an insane decision not to, from a financial standpoint. I'm not sure what WB execs were thinking. Batman was WB's biggest comic book adapted money in the 80s and 90s, and then again in mid-to-late 2000s. Batman was WB's only proven success. It wasn't until the abysmal Batman & Robin that halted the successful franchise for a while...until Chris Nolan resurrected it with his masterpieces. And then, his sequel which even tops the great first. And Oscar nominated. Batman was already successful in the 90s, and now WB hits an even greater jackpot with Batman - a critically-acclaimed and a box office smash. So what's WB do? They scrap the series and reboot it! If you have a successful comic book series of movies already, and you are interested in created a shared universe, then wouldn't you want to use what you already have? People say Nolan's movies are "too realistic." But I don't agree at all. Batman's world starts out as realistic and grounded as Batman's main enemies are the mob: the ending monologue between Gordon and Batman at the end of Batman Begins was supposed to give way to the eventual wave of more fantastical villains: "inflation" - remember? With the way Man of Steel was portrayed, I could see that as being a part of Nolan's world. It was a fairly serious movie featuring Superman. In truth, Man of Steel leaned on the edge of the seriousness and grittiness of The Dark Knight without being as fantasy-oriented as Suicide Squad and BvS. It's like they were waiting to see how it did before they decided where to go with it. People say Marvel came first with their shared universe. But WB had a chance to come first had they used Batman Begins as the first movie of the universe. And movies don't have to be created initially as a shared universe - that idea can come later. Batman Begins wasn't planned on being a trilogy, either. Friday the 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street were never shared universes until someone had the idea for "Freddy vs. Jason." And the ending of the Dark Knight Rises gives way to the perfect introductory for BvS: Batman retires with Selina, and upon Superman's destruction, he comes out of retirement to fight Superman as Batman. Bale's return to the role would have helped the box office significantly; imagine people flocking to see Bale's Batman from TDK take on Superman. Letting TDK go really hurts the Batman/DC franchise. It was too soon to reboot such great movies still fresh in people's mind. And if nothing else, if Bale turned it down, which is unlikely as he said he wasn't offered, then as a last resort, recast him with Affleck but still keep the same universe with Michael Caine as Alfred, Oldman as Gordon, etc. It'd still be better than rebooting it completely. And why hire Snyder to take over from Nolan, you are supposed to top the previous director not make him worse. I was excited to see Batman movies before but I don't have the same anticipation. TDK movies rocked. And now it's gone. At the end of Batman Begins, the word, "escalation", was used, not inflation. It wasn't meant to imply more fantastical villains, but that criminals will use more violence as the police and Batman continue their crackdown on organized crime. The ending of The Dark Knight Returns could have tied into Batman v Superman, but what becomes of John Blake? The ending was supposed to imply that he takes the mantle as the new Batman. Plus, the characterizations between Christian Bale's Batman and Ben Affleck's version are too different. Affleck's version uses guns and kills criminals. Bale's Batman would never do that. Not to mention, this means you have work Heath Ledger's Joker into this universe for future installments, and recasting him could be seen as disrespectful. In the end, I'm not that convinced that The Dark Knight trilogy could have been worked into the DCEU as Christopher Nolan went out of his way to avoid any turn into fantasy and supernatural. |
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Post by moviemouth on Nov 21, 2017 19:52:10 GMT
TDK trilogy was created as a stand-alone trilogy and was purposely made to feel like this stuff could happen in reality to a certain degree, especially The Dark Knight. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 22:03:25 GMT
Zemo was just an ordinary man with training, he fit in pretty well as an Avengers villain. I'm referring more to a character in such a dark universe fitting into one that is much "lighter". I'd like to see it, but I think it could be quite jarring Life's pretty diverse. Let's not forget that Ronan's first scene showed him smashing a guy's head open to he could bathe in his blood. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 22:04:06 GMT
TDK trilogy was created as a stand-alone trilogy and was purposely made to feel like this stuff could happen in reality to a certain degree, especially The Dark Knight. Discounting Joker's omnipotence and Batman's magic sonar machine. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 6:53:52 GMT
Let's see. No Batgirl. No Nightwing. No Spoiler. No Orphan. No Red Robin. No Batwoman. No Bluebird. No Red Hood. No Clayface. No Hawkfire. No Teen Titans. No Birds of Prey. No Supernatural villains. No relation to the Batman comic books. No Thank you. Rebooting Batman and setting it in his later years was the best thing Warner Bros ever did and with Geoff saying we will FINALLY get the Bat Family in the movies and the movies will FINALLY reflect the comic books I am looking forward to seeing the new Bat Universe movies so we can see a REAL Batman franchise. 
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