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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 24, 2017 17:51:16 GMT
Yes, it's the central criticism. Of course uncritical fans will not be able to see it, but for the rest of the audience it's the same boring rise and repeat.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Nov 24, 2017 17:59:45 GMT
Formulaic and devoid of traditional and Natural character types (unlike Shakespeare). Lots of betas with super powers. And very poor musical scores. Walt Disney wrote a memo on principles of film in the 1930s and said music/sound was 50% of the experience.
Wall Street Disney did not read that memo.
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Post by darkpast on Nov 24, 2017 18:02:23 GMT
Are different episodes from a single TV series formulaic? Because that's what MCU movies are, a different episode in a series. Granted, we're talking about grand episodes in a vast series but that still doesn't change the fact that they all probably want to be able to fit in nicely together if they don't want to end up with such a disjointed overall show. Anyway to answer the question, no I don't think they're formulaic, at least no more so than your standard action-adventure blockbuster. I do think they follow a certain theme. Marvel just keeps making films for general audiences, they try to please the widest audience possible with taking almost zero risks
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Post by damngumby on Nov 24, 2017 18:10:29 GMT
Marvel just keeps making films for general audiences, they try to please the widest audience possible with taking almost zero risks That's it! That's how the DCEU can differentiate itself from the MCU! Low budget, limited release, risky, art-house superhero movies. What could possibly go wrong?
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 24, 2017 18:17:01 GMT
Does a bear shit in the woods?
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Post by Jedan Archer on Nov 24, 2017 18:23:06 GMT
Does a bear shit in the woods? Is the Pope too catholic?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 24, 2017 18:38:48 GMT
Maybe. It is making Marvel money, so the general audience is obviously enjoying it.
There is something I want to see from Marvel Studios, but that's for a different thread.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2017 18:57:12 GMT
Yes, it's the central criticism. Of course uncritical fans will not be able to see it, but for the rest of the audience it's the same boring rise and repeat. By "rest of the audience" you mean the general populace that keep spending money to watch these movies enough to almost make each one a big box office hit?
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2017 18:58:36 GMT
Are different episodes from a single TV series formulaic? Because that's what MCU movies are, a different episode in a series. Granted, we're talking about grand episodes in a vast series but that still doesn't change the fact that they all probably want to be able to fit in nicely together if they don't want to end up with such a disjointed overall show. Anyway to answer the question, no I don't think they're formulaic, at least no more so than your standard action-adventure blockbuster. I do think they follow a certain theme. Marvel just keeps making films for general audiences, they try to please the widest audience possible with taking almost zero risks Zero risk? You mean making movies about B to D grade superheroes isn't risky? Sure man, whatever you say.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 19:05:24 GMT
Are different episodes from a single TV series formulaic? Because that's what MCU movies are, a different episode in a series. Granted, we're talking about grand episodes in a vast series but that still doesn't change the fact that they all probably want to be able to fit in nicely together if they don't want to end up with such a disjointed overall show. Anyway to answer the question, no I don't think they're formulaic, at least no more so than your standard action-adventure blockbuster. I do think they follow a certain theme. Marvel just keeps making films for general audiences, they try to please the widest audience possible with taking almost zero risks Zero Risks? Iron Man was a risk. MCU itsself was a risk. Thor and Cap TFA were risks. Avengers couldnt possibly be made. Guardians would be the death of MCU. So would Ant-man & Doc Strange. How can it be everytime the non MCU comic book fans will shout that the next movie will bomb and kill the MCU and also claim the MCU takes no risks? The first contradicts the second completely. Could it be that the Non MCU CBM fans will just say anything to piss on the MCU because they cant attack its quality or success? Sore losers, that's what y'all are.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 19:24:18 GMT
Most are
Which is why we need a movie all about Grandmaster Goldblum killing people with his magic stick to shake things up a bit
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 19:30:19 GMT
Most are Which is why we need a movie all about Grandmaster Goldblum killing people with his magic stick to shake things up a bit BRILLIANT!!!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2017 20:28:53 GMT
Some are, some aren't.
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Post by Archelaus on Nov 24, 2017 23:05:54 GMT
Yes, Marvel Studios has a formula, but it's generally the hero's journey in which generally most films have used. One trope notably used throughout the films is that villain is generally an evil version of the hero with similar skills and abilities: Iron Man and Iron Monger, Thor and Loki, Captain America and Red Skull, Ant-Man and Yellowjacket, and eventually Doctor Strange and Mordo. Again, it's not limited to just Marvel.
Another one is what I call the "warning" trope in which the hero breaks an established rule in order for there to be any resolution. Scott Lang is warned to not go into the quantum realm, but he does so in the climax. Stephen Strange is warned not to break the timeline, but he does so anywhere to reverse the damage in Hong Kong and save Wong and the civilians.
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Post by poelzig on Nov 25, 2017 2:54:28 GMT
Does a bear shit in the woods? Yes and if the bear is dressed like Thor there will be a pack of well fed marvel fans there eager to gobble that shit up with a huge grin
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 25, 2017 3:01:06 GMT
MCU keeps getting accused of having a formula, no one can ever really define it beyond vague stuff like "Leads who make jokes" and "Villains aren't the main characters". But that can apply to a lot of movies.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 25, 2017 3:36:45 GMT
MCU keeps getting accused of having a formula, no one can ever really define it beyond vague stuff like "Leads who make jokes" and "Villains aren't the main characters". But that can apply to a lot of movies. Uh huh. Like this hasn't been explained to you ad nauseum and you're not trolling. Sure, kiddo.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 25, 2017 3:42:09 GMT
MCU keeps getting accused of having a formula, no one can ever really define it beyond vague stuff like "Leads who make jokes" and "Villains aren't the main characters". But that can apply to a lot of movies. Uh huh. Like this hasn't been explained to you ad nauseum They've tried to explain, but no one ever can really define it and they fail.
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Post by merh on Nov 25, 2017 10:35:53 GMT
Technically most movies are love stories. Hate being the opposite of love. Love of country. Hate for others. Caring for others. To be a hero, these people have to care enough to risk life & limb to protect others.
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Post by merh on Nov 25, 2017 10:38:02 GMT
Does a bear shit in the woods? Yes and if the bear is dressed like Thor there will be a pack of well fed marvel fans there eager to gobble that shit up with a huge grin Thor is not a bear. He was turned into a frog by Loki once, but the frog was Thor, not some random frog
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