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Post by kuatorises on Nov 28, 2017 15:35:29 GMT
Back to the original topic for a moment. What's the Marvel formula again?Successful.
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2017 17:31:17 GMT
kuatorisesNobody said it had anything to do with its quality. It's about them taking chances. Why have they not made an R rated Blade, Ghost Rider or The Punisher movie? Will they ever make an R rated movie? No they probably won't ever want to chance it.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 28, 2017 18:39:50 GMT
kuatorises Nobody said it had anything to do with its quality. It's about them taking chances. Why have they not made an R rated Blade, Ghost Rider or The Punisher movie?Will they ever make an R rated movie? No they probably won't ever want to chance it. Actually, you kinda did. Because these movies didn't make that much money? Because their cinematic universe isn't really an R-rated one? Because their Netflix shows cover that? How many movies in the DCEU are R-rated?
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2017 18:53:51 GMT
kuatorises Nobody said it had anything to do with its quality. It's about them taking chances. Why have they not made an R rated Blade, Ghost Rider or The Punisher movie?Will they ever make an R rated movie? No they probably won't ever want to chance it. Actually, you kinda did. Because these movies didn't make that much money? Because their cinematic universe isn't really an R-rated one? Because their Netflix shows cover that? How many movies in the DCEU are R-rated? Blade made money. Wouldn't they be confident that the movies would be successful of they did their own take on it? The X-men movies weren't an R rated series either but then they came out with Deadpool and Logan. Why aren't Marvel coming out with one? Yeah they might have them on Netflix but that's Netflix. Like Ghost Rider it seems like they had no intention of making movies off these characters so through them on TV, not being worthy of even being in a movie at all. The DCEU has one R rated movie and they've only done five. Marvel has 17 and still doesn't have one.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 28, 2017 18:57:40 GMT
kuatorises Nobody said it had anything to do with its quality. It's about them taking chances. Why have they not made an R rated Blade, Ghost Rider or The Punisher movie? Will they ever make an R rated movie? No they probably won't ever want to chance it. I'll repeat myself a third time. Making an R-rated movie is not "taking a chance". It's not exactly risky. Does it have risks? Yes it does. Is it riskier than making a PG 13 movie? Not necessarily. The ability to make or not make an R-rated film is not the measuring stick for taking risks. The MCU has taken way more risks than any other superhero studio, and they're currently reaping the rewards.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 28, 2017 20:14:49 GMT
Actually, you kinda did. Because these movies didn't make that much money? Because their cinematic universe isn't really an R-rated one? Because their Netflix shows cover that? How many movies in the DCEU are R-rated? Blade made money. Wouldn't they be confident that the movies would be successful of they did their own take on it? The X-men movies weren't an R rated series either but then they came out with Deadpool and Logan. Why aren't Marvel coming out with one? Fox didn't make the first R Rated CBM, that was an independent film by Ryan Reynolds that Fox co-opted and took credit for. Now they're just aping his work because people are wising up and realizing that their way of doing things is stale. The MCU isn't stale, so they see little need to do so.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 28, 2017 20:14:59 GMT
Actually, you kinda did. Because these movies didn't make that much money? Because their cinematic universe isn't really an R-rated one? Because their Netflix shows cover that? How many movies in the DCEU are R-rated? Blade made money. Wouldn't they be confident that the movies would be successful of they did their own take on it? The X-men movies weren't an R rated series either but then they came out with Deadpool and Logan. Why aren't Marvel coming out with one? Yeah they might have them on Netflix but that's Netflix. Like Ghost Rider it seems like they had no intention of making movies off these characters so through them on TV, not being worthy of even being in a movie at all. The DCEU has one R rated movie and they've only done five. Marvel has 17 and still doesn't have one. You're an idiot. You're just repeating the same non-argument over and over. Your argument has no merit and so many people are telling you why you are wrong that it this point I have to assume that you're just trolling.
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2017 20:18:35 GMT
I'll repeat myself a third time. Making an R-rated movie is not "taking a chance". It's not exactly risky. Does it have risks? Yes it does. Is it riskier than making a PG 13 movie? Not necessarily. The ability to make or not make an R-rated film is not the measuring stick for taking risks. The MCU has taken way more risks than any other superhero studio, and they're currently reaping the rewards. It will always be risky to make a big budget R rated movie. Far more so to make an R rated movie in a prominently PG-13 series. It is something that has very rarely been done. PG-13 movies can reach a broader audience which means more money. It's why unlike in the 80's or 90's they don't make that many big budget R rated movies anymore. It's why R rated movie series like Alien, Terminator, Mad Max, Expendables and Die Hard have sold out by making a PG-13 sequel. Movies like Doctor Strange and Black Panther is them playing it safe. They're the same as the other movies for the most part with a different coat of paint. A big budget R rated Ghost Rider movie that was a violent horror movie wouldn't be because that's a completely different type of movie from all the others they've made. Fox could easily have made New Mutants just another X-men movie with a different and younger line up. If they were Marvel that's probably what they would have done. Instead they're making something that looks completely different from X-men and what pretty much what most people expected. They are not playing it safe.
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Post by King Conan on Nov 28, 2017 20:19:45 GMT
kuatorises begging to be banned from the side. He insults a mod.
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2017 20:20:42 GMT
Fox didn't make the first R Rated CBM, that was an independent film by Ryan Reynolds that Fox co-opted and took credit for. Now they're just aping his work because people are wising up and realizing that their way of doing things is stale. The MCU isn't stale, so they see little need to do so. I never said they made the first R rated superhero movie. There were plenty of them before Deadpool came out.
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Post by Lee on Nov 28, 2017 20:22:49 GMT
I don't think that most people here know, what Rated-R really means. It means nothing more, that moviegoers under 17 can watch these movies, with an adult person. Same concept with PG-13.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 28, 2017 20:24:55 GMT
Pure bollocks. Cyclops, Jean, Wolverine, and Prof X aren't going anywhere. They will never die. Just because Fox is so inept they can't keep a continuity together doesn't mean they are "taking risks". It just means they don't have any structure to what they do. I wonder how you'll change your story if Marvel kills off someone like Thor, Cap, or Iron Man in Infinity War ...only to bring those characters back in a new version of the universe later? Let me guess....then it won't count. Im talking about the individual portrayals of those characters in their own film-verse, not the actual comic characters themselves. You make an absurd point. If Bales Batman died in Nolans trilogy, im not going to be mad that they brought back Batman the character played by Affleck because that would be in a seperate movie altogther. Cyclops has died, they are now recasting his younger self so its an origin which is fine. If you can't understand the difference then you are beyond help. And if Chris Evans Cap dies in Infinity War, great. But im not going to be upset if they bring back the mantle of Captain America under a new actor like Sam Wilson. They are different! Fake complaint. The story isn't even finished yet in the MCU. You are asking for Captain America to die halfway through the story. But this would require you to step out of your "one film at a time" box and realize Marvel is doing something different. But again this is not a valid complaint because heroes almost never die in stories and it's perfectly fine. This whole fake complaint was invented to nit-pick at Marvel. We know it's a fake complaint because you have no problem with the fact that Batman did not die in Nolan's trilogy. He actually "died" and came back to life at the end. When that happens in a Marvel movie, suddenly it's a huge "problem". No "stakes" in the Nolan trilogy, right? Oh wait....we never heard anyone voice this ridiculous fake complaint until there was a need to complain about Marvel, did we? How very convenient. No, you are asking for them to kill Batman and Superman in their movies. ...Which of course they've never done. (Why would they? It's a dumb idea) And of course you have no problem with that because it's not Marvel. Fox did nothing special. They are so sloppy with their continuity that they could kill everyone in any movie and they still all come back for the next one. They aren't "brave". It's not like they are losing a character.
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Post by scabab on Nov 28, 2017 20:29:20 GMT
You're an idiot. You're just repeating the same non-argument over and over. Your argument has no merit and so many people are telling you why you are wrong that it this point I have to assume that you're just trolling. It's not any argument because it's a fact. X-men was a predominantly PG-13 rated series which now has two R rated movies in it. Marvel have yet to make an R rated movie out of 17 movies and none of their revealed upcoming movies will be either. The X-men series is also a predominantly Sci Fi/Action blockbuster which is now having a horror movie. Marvel have yet to make a horror movie. Plenty of main characters have been killed off in the X-men series including Wolverine, Professor X, Storm, Cyclops and Jean Grey. Marvel have not killed off any major characters. The most significant ones would be someone like Coulson, Yondu and Odin. These are just the facts.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 28, 2017 20:35:34 GMT
Nah, every XCU movie has artificial boosters, especially the ones you like the most, while Logan succeeded purely on blood. Fixed. Nope.
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Post by Jax on Nov 28, 2017 20:49:29 GMT
Nah, every MCU movie has artificial boosters, especially the ones you like the most, while Logan succeeded purely on merit. Fixed. re fixed to his original post. Do it again, and i will tell the admin whats going on there.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 28, 2017 20:54:17 GMT
kuatorises begging to be banned from the side. He insults a mod. I thought I had Colden in the rest of his peanut gallery on ignore? How did one of you cockroaches manage to slip through the cracks?
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 28, 2017 20:59:51 GMT
harpospoke It doesn't matter if he wasn't A list, B list superheros had had successful movies anyway. He was nothing like Iron Fist, he was a obscure character that only comic fans would know. Iron Man had a plenty of things going for him. There's an entire list here that includes en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Man_in_other_media- A cartoon in the 60's - Appearances in Spider-man cartoons in the 80's - His own cartoon in the 90's. - Appearances in Spider-man cartoons in the 90's - Had his own animated movie and appeared in other animated movies - Was in plenty of games - Had a series of books - Someone from the Wu Tang Clan had an album he called Iron Man Amongst other things. They'd been planning on making an Iron Man movie since 1990. Major studios like Universal, Fox and New Line at one point bought the rights to it. A list actors like Nicholas Cage and Tom Cruise were interested in it. So it was never some obscure thing that nobody had heard of and Marvel Studios took this massive risk by making an Iron Man movie. They were just the first studio to actually get on with it and do it. This is pretty amazing. You are actually trying to make the case that Iron Man was a well known character. You even pointed out how the other studios balked at doing it for years until Marvel finally took the risk. Gee...I wonder why? And you even pointed out that big established studios weren't willing to do it before Marvel did. Marvel got the rights back because the other studios weren't interested in making a movie. (so much for him being this big important character) These are studios who could afford to take a risk and they wouldn't do it. Marvel was taking the biggest risk of all. Amazing the spin I'm seeing here. As if Marvel was on par with studios that had existed for decades and had deep pockets to take a loss. Anything to avoid giving Marvel any credit for what they accomplished. So transparent. We have literally talked about some of the CBMs that were not successful during that time period. If Iron Man had grossed what Blade or Elekra did, this board would not exist. And yeah...Iron Man was the biggest character they had. That's the point. That B list character was what they used to launch what is now the most successful CBM studio. Since some are trying to rewrite history...here's a history lesson: money.cnn.com/magazines/business2/business2_archive/2006/05/01/8375925/It's hardly the only thing that keeps them in business. ... Like IM was to Marvel in 2008. They made 2 movies that year. Fox made 16 movies this year for a combined gross of $1,194,376,729 (domestic alone). And Fox was already established when they started making CBMs....not remotely the same situation as Marvel. You literally just described how Fox lowered the risk. There is no more risk for an R rated movie...because they lower the budget. You forgot to mention that they already had a lower budget for the Wolverine movie to begin with...to lower the risk. That's why Wolverine had a lower budget than First Class two years earlier. There is a reason why you left that part out. They then lowered the risk even further for the R rating. They did that AFTER Ryan Reynolds proved to them an R rated movie could work. Only after that. They had no interest in it before that point. And remember that tiny budget they gave to RR for Deadpool? They reduced the risk to the point where they barely cared what RR did with the movie. Yeah...we were talking about 2008 in case you forgot. Obviously their risks paid off big. And we literally just got one of their riskiest movies 3 weeks ago. They actually gave an indie director full control of one of their franchises and let him take it in a whole new direction. Taika Waititi's highest grossing movie in the US was....$5,205,468 Oh sure...no risk at all, right? Amazing claims here. Just like DC wouldn't kill off Batman or Superman and in fact has already brought both of them back from the dead. I noticed Flash, Aquaman, and Wonder Woman all survived the JL movie. Still waiting for the complaints about that. Let's not hold our breath on that one....we all know what is going on here. Naturally this fake complaint never surfaced until it was time to hunt for a complaint about Marvel. You guys can't possibly think this stuff isn't obvious, can you? Storm, Cyclops, and Jean are going to be right back on the screen next year so that's hardly impressive or "stakes". It's not like they were killing off any major characters. Cyclops is barely there. But of course since it's not Marvel it's not a problem that a studio utterly wastes a main character like that. Curious if you'll justify the Coulson death the same way you just did with Fox. I think we know the answer: "That's different!" All this over the fakest complaint ever. "They won't kill off the heroes!!" What a load of horse feces.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 28, 2017 21:02:27 GMT
kuatorises Nobody said it had anything to do with its quality. It's about them taking chances. Why have they not made an R rated Blade, Ghost Rider or The Punisher movie? Will they ever make an R rated movie? No they probably won't ever want to chance it. I'll repeat myself a third time. Making an R-rated movie is not "taking a chance". It's not exactly risky. Does it have risks? Yes it does. Is it riskier than making a PG 13 movie? Not necessarily. The ability to make or not make an R-rated film is not the measuring stick for taking risks. The MCU has taken way more risks than any other superhero studio, and they're currently reaping the rewards. It's the exact same risk as a PG-13 movie. They lower the budget to make them an equal risk because R rated movies tend to gross less. There is a lot of myth making going on in this thread with Marvel haters.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 28, 2017 21:05:49 GMT
You're an idiot. You're just repeating the same non-argument over and over. Your argument has no merit and so many people are telling you why you are wrong that it this point I have to assume that you're just trolling. It's not any argument because it's a fact. X-men was a predominantly PG-13 rated series which now has two R rated movies in it. Marvel have yet to make an R rated movie out of 17 movies and none of their revealed upcoming movies will be either. The X-men series is also a predominantly Sci Fi/Action blockbuster which is now having a horror movie. Marvel have yet to make a horror movie. Plenty of main characters have been killed off in the X-men series including Wolverine, Professor X, Storm, Cyclops and Jean Grey. Marvel have not killed off any major characters. The most significant ones would be someone like Coulson, Yondu and Odin. These are just the facts. All this is true of the DCU. Let's hear the complaints about DC. *crickets*
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Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2017 21:12:32 GMT
You're an idiot. You're just repeating the same non-argument over and over. Your argument has no merit and so many people are telling you why you are wrong that it this point I have to assume that you're just trolling. It's not any argument because it's a fact. X-men was a predominantly PG-13 rated series which now has two R rated movies in it. Marvel have yet to make an R rated movie out of 17 movies and none of their revealed upcoming movies will be either. The X-men series is also a predominantly Sci Fi/Action blockbuster which is now having a horror movie. Marvel have yet to make a horror movie. Plenty of main characters have been killed off in the X-men series including Wolverine, Professor X, Storm, Cyclops and Jean Grey. Marvel have not killed off any major characters. The most significant ones would be someone like Coulson, Yondu and Odin. These are just the facts. Fux may have two R rated movies but MCU has only good movies. My point is you can bitch about ratings but ratings do not equal quality. To claim so makes one look unintelligent.
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