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Post by blockbusted on Dec 13, 2017 3:08:52 GMT
I thought consenting age was 18, not 17. It depends on the country or American state. The film in question takes place in Italy, where the age of consent is 14 (which is disturbing to be honest), and even in many parts of the U.S., 17 is actually the age of consent. So yeah, while I personally think the age of consent should be 21, CMBYN isn’t actually depicting an illegal relationship, at the very least. And to be fair... I think this is largely an English-language Italian film with an Italian director at the helm. |
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Post by leesilm on Dec 14, 2017 8:05:16 GMT
I mean, I'm going entirely by trailers and a few articles I've read . However, I got the impression the reason they made him 17- not 18, was that he was supposed to be on the cusp of adulthood and just figuring out who he was and who he wanted to be, then he sees this guy who is a bit older and more worldly, and he is enchanted, but it takes a while for the feelings to be returned by said older guy.
I admit, it makes me feel a little weirded out that he's not quite an adult, but I honestly am weirded out by teens dating over 21yr olds cause I saw a lot of those relationships when I was that age, and none ended well. I think it is the rare 16-19yr old who is mature enough to have a serious relationship at all, let alone one with someone whose frontal lobe is fully cooked and ready to roll. There's actually some science now saying males might not have their brain fully developed for thinking through emotions/consequences/etc. until they are 22-25yrs old, while females it is more like 19-22yrs old. In which case, this 17yr old is 5-8yrs away from a fully matured brain while the older guy may be already there. (Did I mention I'm a science nerd?) However, an age gap of 7yrs is pretty normal in heterosexual relationships, with the male being the older one mostly. So perhaps they figured it would not bother people all that much. They probably figured it'd be like DIRTY DANCING, but with 2 guys in Italy.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 14, 2017 23:43:26 GMT
SJW's getting up on their moral high horse, without putting things into context and being closed and dense minded, shouldn't even be voicing their opinions. It's just to get attention due to narcissist and self-absorbed tendencies.
I haven't seen this film yet as not released; but I sure the relationship between an intelligent boy in his late teens, who is on the verge of becoming a man, and a slightly older man in his early 20's, is hardly worth getting out the hangman's noose for. Heck, as one gets older the gap closes and people need to realize, that male sexuality is a different beast to a females. This film doesn't appear to be about the corruption or grooming of a naive and innocent mind.
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Post by howardschumann on Dec 18, 2017 1:20:41 GMT
I'm sure the movie is probably beautiful with great performances and cinematography, but the age thing bothers me a little too. If he was of consenting age maybe not so much. But as he's under, I find it problematic. It technically is of consenting age. If the film was depicting a relationship that’s flat-out illegal, that would be a much bigger problem. The age of consent in Italy is 14. |
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Post by leesilm on Dec 18, 2017 15:15:09 GMT
Factoid from a law professor I know, in the States during the 70s-early 90s, in the US there were already several states that believed a person 18-20 was not mature enough to sign contracts/etc. so they could not sign paperwork to rent an apartment, get a mortgage on a house, rent a car, or take out a loan of more than 1,000 dollars---- yet they could smoke, drink, go to war, work, and marry. I think, in general, people are confused about when you become and adult and when you are fully Grown Up. Heck, if you turn 18 while still in high school, you are treated like just as much of a child as the 13yr old freshman students- yet if you were to leave the building and do something illegal, you would be charged as an adult, and in some cases at 16 or 17 could be charged as an adult.
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Post by Vits on Jul 22, 2019 18:40:36 GMT
The age difference is only a problem when the 2 people don't have the same level of maturity, because there's an unbalance. Maturity is tied to age, but it also varies from person to person. In this case, ELIO & OLIVER are equally mature. Also, OLIVER doesn't display any predatory behavior. Even if it happened to be legal in the context of the film's setting, why make him 17? Was it so hard to rewrite him as 18? When a 17-year-old turns 18, they don't become an entirely new person. I mean, I'm going entirely by trailers and a few articles I've read . However, I got the impression the reason they made him 17- not 18, was that he was supposed to be on the cusp of adulthood and just figuring out who he was and who he wanted to be, then he sees this guy who is a bit older and more worldly, and he is enchanted, but it takes a while for the feelings to be returned by said older guy.
Exactly. It's meant to be a coming of age story. It wouldn't be one if they both had the same age (especially because ELIO has a same-age girlfriend at the beginning). |
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jul 27, 2019 6:28:58 GMT
SJW's getting up on their moral high horse, without putting things into context and being closed and dense minded, shouldn't even be voicing their opinions. It's just to get attention due to narcissist and self-absorbed tendencies. I haven't seen this film yet as not released; but I sure the relationship between an intelligent boy in his late teens, who is on the verge of becoming a man, and a slightly older man in his early 20's, is hardly worth getting out the hangman's noose for. Heck, as one gets older the gap closes and people need to realize, that male sexuality is a different beast to a females. This film doesn't appear to be about the corruption or grooming of a naive and innocent mind. I thought that Call Me By Your Name proved extremely overrated, mainly because the self-consciousness of the film's acting and sexual ambitions failed to jibe with its desire for a phenomenological aura. In other words, the movie felt contrived while striving for naturalism, although the location shooting proved commendable. But the notion of some sinister age discrepancy never even occurred to me, even though I would have pegged the Armie Hammer character as being several years older than twenty-four.
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Post by joekiddlouischama on Jul 27, 2019 6:39:38 GMT
I know this isn’t exactly a comfortable thing to discuss but given that sexual misconduct has become a really hot-button topic lately, I figured it was worth asking. I personally have no interest in seeing the movie, but it has attracted a certain level of controversy from people who have argued that it’s trying to normalize relationships between adults and minors, since it involves a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old. Hell, the only reason I even heard of the film in the first place is because James Woods had a fight with Armie Hammer about it on Twitter, which resulted in Amber Tamblyn accusing the former of making a pass at her when she was 16. At the same time, there have been people pointing out that in Italy, which is where the film and the book it’s based on take place, a relationship between a 17 year old and a 24 year old is actually legal. Personally, I think the age of consent should be 21 everywhere in the world, so I can’t say I’m comfortable with the age gap presented in the film myself, but what exactly does everyone else here make of it? I thought that the very mild discrepancy constituted a total non-issue in Call Me By Your Name, even though I would have pegged the Armie Hammer character as being around thirty, give or take. I would also suggest that making the age of consent twenty-one would be both preposterous and untenable, not to mention contradictory to most of human history. Although it did not happen, I could imagine myself having had an affair with a forty-year old woman when I was twenty, and it certainly would not have been a case of her raping me somehow. And as you indicate later, the age of consent is either sixteen or seventeen in most US states. linkAnyway, if you want to view an unambiguous example of an age discrepancy, see Breezy from 1973, directed by Clint Eastwood and starring a fifty-something William Holden and a teenage Kay Lenz. If anyone wants to hold a discussion regarding this issue, let us do it with that film.
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Jul 27, 2019 10:09:51 GMT
SJW's getting up on their moral high horse, without putting things into context and being closed and dense minded, shouldn't even be voicing their opinions. It's just to get attention due to narcissist and self-absorbed tendencies. I haven't seen this film yet as not released; but I sure the relationship between an intelligent boy in his late teens, who is on the verge of becoming a man, and a slightly older man in his early 20's, is hardly worth getting out the hangman's noose for. Heck, as one gets older the gap closes and people need to realize, that male sexuality is a different beast to a females. This film doesn't appear to be about the corruption or grooming of a naive and innocent mind. I thought that Call Me By Your Name proved extremely overrated, mainly because the self-consciousness of the film's acting and sexual ambitions failed to jibe with its desire for a phenomenological aura. In other words, the movie felt contrived while striving for naturalism, although the location shooting proved commendable. But the notion of some sinister age discrepancy never even occurred to me, even though I would have pegged the Armie Hammer character as being several years older than twenty-four. Have recently been discussing this film on a new thread that was started. You may be interested. Call Name
Yes, Armie did look older, but as his character was depicted, it needed to be taken at face value of 24.
My main gripe with the film was only with the languished first hour, I think it was playing things a bit too safely and over-subtly I wasn't liking Elio. I warmed to him by the end though.
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