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Post by spiderwort on Nov 25, 2017 16:29:33 GMT
Two I especially love are A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (1945), set in Brooklyn, New York, and I Remember Mama (1948), set in San Francisco, California.
Two wonderful films by two superb directors: Elia Kazan in his debut film, and George Stevens, who after making many wonderful films in a lighter vein, began his career anew after his time in WWII, dedicating himself to a different, more realistic tone.
The humanity of both films is deeply moving, even inspirational, and is a perfect example of the "good" in human nature that modern films, for me, so often these days seem to lack.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 25, 2017 18:05:56 GMT
I rate I Remember Mama as Stevens's finest achievement (edging out A Place In the Sun).
I'm partial to musicals and Judy Garland, so Meet Me In St. Louis, Easter Parade and In the Good Old Summertime fill the bill.
And there is also Ernst Lubitsch's exquisite Heaven Can Wait.
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Post by mattgarth on Nov 25, 2017 18:14:59 GMT
OUR TOWN
KINGS ROW
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Post by teleadm on Nov 25, 2017 18:23:32 GMT
I was going to say Life with Father 1947, but that turned out to be late 1800s
The Shootist 1976, John Wayne's last, and Richard Boone's character drove a car, so it must be the early 1900's, when old gunfighters had became obsolete.
The Wild Bunch 1969, old outlaws when American West is disappearing around them.
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Post by marshamae on Nov 25, 2017 20:08:08 GMT
I'm very fond of Scorsese's Age of Innocence. It's beautifully cast and the settings show a range of New York homes and places of work. The costumes and music support the period . It's surprising to me that a film maker with such a personal vision of the New York of his childhood could take on the New York of Edith Wharton's novel with such verve.
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Post by mattgarth on Nov 25, 2017 20:29:43 GMT
I was going to say Life with Father 1947, but that turned out to be late 1800s The Shootist 1976, John Wayne's last, and Richard Boone's character drove a car, so it must be the early 1900's, when old gunfighters had became obsolete. The Wild Bunch 1969, old outlaws when American West is disappearing around them. Tele -- you are right on target with THE SHOOTIST. The story takes place during one week in late January 1901. J.B. Books arrives in town to see the doctor and gets a newspaper to read about the death of Queen Victoria. THE WILD BUNCH is set in 1913.
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Post by politicidal on Nov 25, 2017 20:37:12 GMT
Ragtime (1981)
The Godfather Part Two (1974)
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Nov 25, 2017 20:56:53 GMT
Ragtime
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Post by koskiewicz on Nov 26, 2017 18:28:56 GMT
The Untouchables
1900
The Roaring Twenties
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 26, 2017 19:40:53 GMT
Here are ten titles to contemplate:
All Quiet On The Western Front / Lewis Milestone (1930) Cavalcade / Frank Lloyd (1933) Citizen Kane / Orson Welles (1941) Sergeant York / Howard Hawks (1941) Yankee Doodle Dandy / Michael Curtiz (1942) Singing In The Rain / Stanley Donan and Gene Kelly (1951) A Night To Remember / Roy Ward Baker (1958) Some Like It Hot / Billy Wilder (1959) Inherit The Wind / Stanley Kramer (1960) The Night They Raided Minsky’s / William Friedkin (1968)
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Post by Richard Kimble on Nov 26, 2017 19:50:48 GMT
The Untouchables The Roaring Twenties Here are ten titles to contemplate: Singing In The Rain / Stanley Donan and Gene Kelly (1951) Some Like It Hot / Billy Wilder (1959) Inherit The Wind / Stanley Kramer (1960) The Night They Raided Minsky’s / William Friedkin (1968) Post-WWI is a different era IMHO
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 26, 2017 20:01:15 GMT
The Untouchables The Roaring Twenties Here are ten titles to contemplate: Singing In The Rain / Stanley Donan and Gene Kelly (1951) Some Like It Hot / Billy Wilder (1959) Inherit The Wind / Stanley Kramer (1960) The Night They Raided Minsky’s / William Friedkin (1968) Post-WWI is a different era IMHO I had to decide for myself what was "early." My cutoff was 1929 which would included vaudeville, the transition to Talking Pictures, and the Monkey Trial - all of which are events considered very much in the past, maybe contributing to the modern world but not part of it. What does our O.P., spiderwort, have to say about it?
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Post by Richard Kimble on Nov 26, 2017 20:03:10 GMT
The Shootist 1976, John Wayne's last, and Richard Boone's character drove a car, so it must be the early 1900's, when old gunfighters had became obsolete. The Wild Bunch 1969, old outlaws when American West is disappearing I call this sub-genre the "car western". It became especially notable in the revisionist 1960s. I don't recall if you actually see a car in Butch Cassidy -- the encroaching modern world is symbolized in that by the bicycle salesman. There is a car in Wayne's Big Jake and IIRC in The Good Guys and The Bad Guys.
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Post by Richard Kimble on Nov 26, 2017 20:10:44 GMT
Post-WWI is a different era IMHO I had to decide for myself what was "early." My cutoff was 1929 which would included vaudeville, the transition to Talking Pictures, and the Monkey Trial - all of which are events considered very much in the past, maybe contributing to the modern world but not part of it. Not to get too sociological about it, but the key changes came after WWI: women voting, the cynicism of the Lost Generation, Prohibition as a harbinger of the activist government to come later, and yes the Monkey Trial and the media circus made possible by radio. There's even a scene in The Roaring Twenties where Cagney unsuccessfully applies for a job at various closed NYC saloons as we hear the narrator give the symbolic line: "The old Broadway is only a memory".
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Post by kijii on Nov 26, 2017 20:27:02 GMT
The Adventures of Mark Twain (1944) Hester Street (1975) Sacco & Vanzetti (1971) <----Different ear? Yankee Doodle Dandy (1942)
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Post by OldAussie on Nov 26, 2017 22:03:54 GMT
The Little Foxes East of Eden
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Post by bravomailer on Nov 26, 2017 23:00:50 GMT
The Magnificent Ambersons
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Post by mikef6 on Nov 26, 2017 23:23:09 GMT
I had to decide for myself what was "early." My cutoff was 1929 which would included vaudeville, the transition to Talking Pictures, and the Monkey Trial - all of which are events considered very much in the past, maybe contributing to the modern world but not part of it. What does our O.P., spiderwort, have to say about it? I was actually thinking of a bit earlier, mike (and koskiewicz ), say up to & including WWI and maybe to 1920 or so. I think I can understand and to some extent agree with the argument for your range, but if you could think of other films set earlier that would be better, in my opinion. And All Quiet on the Western Front was set in Germany. If I didn't make it clear, I meant films that were set in early 1900s America. Good enough. Then here is my revised list: Cavalcade / Frank Lloyd (1933) Citizen Kane / Orson Welles (1941) Sergeant York / Howard Hawks (1941) Yankee Doodle Dandy / Michael Curtiz (1942) A Night To Remember / Roy Ward Baker (1958) As for "All Quiet on the Western Front," I considered admitting to a goof, misstatement or gaffe, but finally decided on: "I don't recall putting All Quiet on my list. I have no memory of that movie. I have never seen or heard of All Quiet on the Western Front." OK. I'm ready to run for political office now.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 26, 2017 23:25:28 GMT
There's so much humanity in I Remember Mama, as I mentioned, so much non-sentimental goodness, that it makes me proud of what film can do, of how much of what is good about the human condition that it can convey. I wonder if we see enough goodness in people at all in American films today? It saddens me that I feel inclined even to ask that question. Anyway, that's why I chose the two films I did for this post - because they convey a goodness that I for one yearn to see more of in films today. I thought of you - and what you wrote that I've excerpted above - while reading this from an op/ed in a VA newspaper this morning: "For me to enjoy a movie, it is important – almost a requirement – that the characters I am invited to identify with behave in a way that I respect. If possible, admire. As I’ve gotten older, I have found it less and less tolerable to have a protagonist who acts like a fool, or a jerk, or a scoundrel.""...even when they behaved badly, the people in the older movies always seemed to be operating in some kind of a moral framework...And even if the characters didn’t care about such ideals, the viewpoint of the movies themselves expressed an allegiance to an ideal...in the movies of recent decades, the concern for any such ideals has greatly diminished."Now, I'm sure the existence of the Production Code - which had in addition to its specific directives a catch-all warning about "lowering, degrading or offending public morals," or words to that effect - under the enforcement of Joe Breen's office of the PCA had a great deal to do with that. And I must acknowledge in passing that a number of films I admire most - Double Indemnity, All About Eve, Sweet Smell Of Success, Chinatown and Network among them - are darkly pessimistic or at the very least bitterly cynical examinations of the worst of human nature, although I must also add that this isn't exclusively the case, and that those I've listed can easily be taken as cautionary tales. I'm afraid I'm not well-enough versed in the overall character of films made in the last dozen or so years to comment with any authority, but I can say that too many that I've seen made since the turn of the century reflected a shallowly simplistic, prevail-at-any-cost, "winners/losers" binary that began putting me off new films in general, and which has in turn both fueled and been fed by a similar social dynamic during roughly the same period, in a "vicious cycle" that imposes a sort of tribalism inexorably infecting most aspects of life. It could be argued that the other side of the coin is that the periods those earlier films depicted, as well as that in which they were made, were ones marked by what most would now consider to be rampant injustice, rarely rearing its ugly head therein beyond a complacently shrugging acceptance of "the way things are." It's no doubt one of the costs of social progression and conscience that some of the good goes out the window with the bad. But it could just as easily be asserted that each of those films we've cited made aspirational suggestions, in these cases about the strength and forbearance of women, through their gentle and even satiric observations. Interesting, isn't it, that they all have that in common? Sorry for getting all "meta." It happens sometimes on weekends.
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Post by bravomailer on Nov 27, 2017 0:10:00 GMT
Pilgrimage (1933)
"John Ford directed this emotional drama, which was a considerable change of pace from the westerns and war pictures for which he was best known. Hannah Jessop (Henrietta Crosman) fears being abandoned by her son Jim (Norman Foster), and she doesn't approve of his romance with Mary Saunders (Marian Nixon). When Hannah discovers that Jim and Mary plan to wed, she sends her son off to fight in WWI, unaware that Mary is carrying his child. Jim is killed in combat just as Mary is giving birth, and while Hannah is crushed by the loss of her son, she cannot forgive Mary or abide her grandson, Jim, Jr. (Jay Ward). Years later, Hannah is prodded into joining a group of women who lost their sons in the war on a visit to the battlefields of Europe; en route, she meets Mrs. Hatfield (Lucille La Verne), whose warmth and gracious acceptance of her misfortune forces Hannah to take a look at herself and her attitudes."
Sweepings (1933)
Rise of a great Chicago department store. Probably based on Marshall Fields.
Another one from 1933 – Baby Face.
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