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Post by jervistetch on Nov 27, 2017 0:24:07 GMT
LADY AND THE TRAMP
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Post by bravomailer on Nov 27, 2017 0:29:33 GMT
Compulsion (1959)
I used to live a few blocks from where the Leopolds, Loebs, and Franks lived, but well after the events, of course.
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 27, 2017 0:47:36 GMT
Two I especially love are A Tree Grows in Brooklyn (1945), set in Brooklyn, New York, and I Remember Mama (1948), set in San Francisco, California. Two wonderful films by two superb directors: Elia Kazan in his debut film, and George Stevens, who after making many wonderful films in a lighter vein, began his career anew after his time in WWII, dedicating himself to a different, more realistic tone. The humanity of both films is deeply moving, even inspirational, and is a perfect example of the "good" in human nature that modern films, for me, so often these days seem to lack. I totally agree on all your points here too spiderwort and recently saw both of these films Thanksgiving evening on the channel TCM ( Turner Classic Movies ) as well  . I also really enjoyed both of these movies and these are what I call - " the strong willed surviving family films " too  . Thanks so much for your wonderfully put subject post here too  .
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Post by spiderwort on Nov 27, 2017 1:16:58 GMT
I thought of you - and what you wrote that I've excerpted above - while reading this from an op/ed in a VA newspaper this morning: "For me to enjoy a movie, it is important – almost a requirement – that the characters I am invited to identify with behave in a way that I respect. If possible, admire. As I’ve gotten older, I have found it less and less tolerable to have a protagonist who acts like a fool, or a jerk, or a scoundrel.""...even when they behaved badly, the people in the older movies always seemed to be operating in some kind of a moral framework...And even if the characters didn’t care about such ideals, the viewpoint of the movies themselves expressed an allegiance to an ideal...in the movies of recent decades, the concern for any such ideals has greatly diminished."Now, I'm sure the existence of the Production Code - which had in addition to its specific directives a catch-all warning about "lowering, degrading or offending public morals," or words to that effect - under the enforcement of Joe Breen's office of the PCA had a great deal to do with that. And I must acknowledge in passing that a number of films I admire most - Double Indemnity, All About Eve, Sweet Smell Of Success, Chinatown and Network among them - are darkly pessimistic or at the very least bitterly cynical examinations of the worst of human nature, although I must also add that this isn't exclusively the case, and that those I've listed can easily be taken as cautionary tales. I'm afraid I'm not well-enough versed in the overall character of films made in the last dozen or so years to comment with any authority, but I can say that too many that I've seen made since the turn of the century reflected a shallowly simplistic, prevail-at-any-cost, "winners/losers" binary that began putting me off new films in general, and which has in turn both fueled and been fed by a similar social dynamic during roughly the same period, in a "vicious cycle" that imposes a sort of tribalism inexorably infecting most aspects of life. It could be argued that the other side of the coin is that the periods those earlier films depicted, as well as that in which they were made, were ones marked by what most would now consider to be rampant injustice, rarely rearing its ugly head therein beyond a complacently shrugging acceptance of "the way things are." It's no doubt one of the costs of social progression and conscience that some of the good goes out the window with the bad. But it could just as easily be asserted that each of those films we've cited made aspirational suggestions, in these cases about the strength and forbearance of women, through their gentle and even satiric observations. Interesting, isn't it, that they all have that in common? Sorry for getting all "meta." It happens sometimes on weekends. Thanks for the wonderful article, doghouse. It perfectly addresses my concerns. As for your equally wonderful and wise comments, let me just say that, yes, perhaps the code had something to do with why films during its reign seem more "responsible" in their portrayal of humanity. On the other hand, I can think of dozens of films from the pre-code era ( Man's Castle, Wild Boys of the Road, Little Caesar, Public Enemy, Rain, even Baby Face, among others) that still contain elements of humanity and decency, and in which characters almost always come to terms with the consequences of their actions and seek redemption for them; or, if not, pay for the consequences of their actions through death or the loss of everything they seek. I believe even those you mentioned post-code manifest this, if only as the cautionary tales you suggest. All the consequences of actions are met in the end, one way or the other. For me, that's a moral universe. My biggest problem today is that we don't see enough of the fact that there are consequences to actions in life. If that isn't addressed, the world portrayed becomes a completely nihilistic, profoundly unpleasant garbage can. I see it happen over and over again in films and on television these days, all of which influences the world at large (it doesn't reflect it, it influences it - one has only to look at Madison Avenue to see how that works). One final thought (a generality, for sure, but one that I fear is true): Filmmaking standards today may have sunk to a new low, which is now the new norm. And as I said, that influences the world at large, which is something that those of us who are involved in making and watching films need to take seriously. Thanks for your great response. I really appreciate it, "meta" and all. I hope mine makes sense. I'm a bit tired and maybe not as articulate as I should be.
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 27, 2017 4:08:59 GMT
I totally agree on all your points here too spiderwort and recently saw both of these films Thanksgiving evening on the channel TCM ( Turner Classic Movies ) as well  . I also really enjoyed both of these movies and these are what I call - " the strong willed surviving family films " too  . Thanks so much for your wonderfully put subject post here too  . Thank you mszanadu. That means a lot. You're most welcome spiderwort and I mean it all from the heart too an excellent subject post indeed here  .
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 27, 2017 4:25:14 GMT
Lord, I'd love to see this one again, jervis! Disney made some great ones, didn't he? That reminds me of POLLYANNA (1960), another wonderful one that qualifies. Don't think it's been mentioned yet. Another in a similar vein, though not as good a film (and actually might be a little before 1900; can't remember), is SUMMER MAGIC (1963). The film Pollyanna (1960) with memorable actress Hayley Mills is one of my top favorite Disney films that I never tire of either  . Thanks for this reminder too spiderwort  .
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 27, 2017 5:07:34 GMT
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 27, 2017 16:15:10 GMT
My biggest problem today is that we don't see enough of the fact that there are consequences to actions in life. If that isn't addressed, the world portrayed becomes a completely nihilistic, profoundly unpleasant garbage can. The author of that piece has got you covered there, too: "Here’s an illustration of this moral erosion: too often, the movies seem to be saying it’s OK for our heroes to do anything to achieve their goals. That problem is illustrated in the Bourne movies. I like those films. But really, is it OK to drive all around a major world city at break-neck speeds, sometimes going the wrong way on divided highways, leaving piles of wreckage and who knows how many injuries and fatalities in one’s wake—because the hero is determined to escape capture?The unstated message wafting up from the movies seems to be: Do whatever gets you what you want. Don’t worry about the damage you’re doing to the world around you."Granted, that may not be exactly the sort of example you had in mind, but it'll serve to illustrate that there are others sharing similar concerns, and there's some comfort - and perhaps hope - in that reassurance. It's always good to learn we're not alone.
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Post by bravomailer on Nov 27, 2017 16:34:33 GMT
Babbitt
An American Tragedy
Arrowsmith
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Post by bravomailer on Nov 27, 2017 16:39:38 GMT
Two greats: The Great Gatsby and The Great Waldo Pepper.
Then there are the American WW1 films that are partly set in the US: The Big Parade, What Price Glory....
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Post by bravomailer on Nov 27, 2017 16:56:13 GMT
All three are based on books published in the 1920s and were all made into films shortly thereafter. "This is the first time I've been out in a canoe since I saw An American Tragedy." 
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 27, 2017 17:03:34 GMT
Granted, that may not be exactly the sort of example you had in mind, but it'll serve to illustrate that there are others sharing similar concerns, and there's some comfort - and perhaps hope - in that reassurance. It's always good to learn we're not alone. It's a fine example, though there are others, of course. But it helps. And yes, it's always good to learn we're not alone. If only Hollywood would get its act together and do the right thing again, financing stories with a strong moral compass - defined in my terms, again, by acknowledging that actions have consequences.
EDIT: Doghouse6 , thanks again for sharing your thoughts about all of this. I really appreciate it. It's an important subject to consider, I think.
As I said earlier, I've been pretty much out of touch for the last decade or so where current films are concerned (there's so little that piques my interest), so it's perhaps appropriate to mention the last one I saw that really impressed me at all levels, and which relates especially to this particular point: 2007's Gone Baby Gone. I still hate the title, but in the end, consequences are what prove to be at the heart of the story: by leading viewers down an intricately-plotted path culminating in a devastatingly unresolvable moral dilemma, presenting both the good and bad sides of the choices facing the protagonist, it forces them to examine their own values and principles in confronting the one he finally makes. A very worthwhile and recommendable effort, to my mind.
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Post by Doghouse6 on Nov 27, 2017 17:23:44 GMT
2007's Gone Baby Gone. A very worthwhile and recommendable effort, to my mind. Like you I'm not well versed in the films of the last decade or so for the reasons we've discussed. I'm glad to know this about Gone Baby Gone. I have avoided it, because I was afraid it would offend and depress me, but your assessment does anything but that. I may give it a view one of these days. Thanks. I avoided it too, initially: a first-time feature directorial effort by a middling actor whose previously co-written screenplay had not impressed me much, and starring his younger brother (and that awful title). But everything about it is top-notch: brilliantly constructed; finely crafted; perfectly cast; gripping and truly thought-provoking. I've been quite bullish on it ever since.
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Post by vegalyra on Nov 27, 2017 17:26:18 GMT
Some great films listed.
Wings is a good WW1 film. There Will Be Blood is partially set during the period. Somewhere in Time
Animated:
Lady and the Tramp (set in 1909 if I remember right) American Tail
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Post by koskiewicz on Nov 27, 2017 17:51:31 GMT
...admittedly, I screwed up naming 1900, which as was pointed out, was not set in early 20th century USA, but rather in Italy.
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Post by mszanadu on Nov 27, 2017 18:51:33 GMT
I couldn't agree more, mszanadu. I adore these, especially the first one, and especially Megan Follows as Anne - a really great actress who's yet to get her due. The only problem is that they are actually set in Canada. So, regrettably, they don't qualify for this thread.  But thanks for thinking of them. I saw them again recently (the first two), and they hold up beautifully. Oh that's right spiderwort this thread was for 1900's America  . Thanks so much again for this reminder also for your kind and encouraging words here as well  . I totally agree this TV mini series Movie saga does get better with age now  . It definitely left a forever lasting impression on me here also  . Also it's completely mind blowing to think of some of these 1980's versions as classics now too  . Does time march on or what  ?
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Post by jervistetch on Nov 27, 2017 22:35:28 GMT
DAYS OF HEAVEN is set in 1916 Texas and is one of the most gorgeous films to behold. Of course, not all of Terrence Malick's films have comprehensible storylines (DoH actually does) but all of them are beautifully shot. This one may be the best, with one stunning image after another. 
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