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Post by audiosane on Dec 3, 2017 21:35:00 GMT
I've avoided spoilers, but, based on the trailers, my guess is 75% of TLJ will be rehashed ideas, mostly from ESB. It should definitely be more original than TFA... I hope.  |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 3, 2017 23:50:22 GMT
25%. Rian Johnson never struck me as that type of director.
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Post by Nightman on Dec 4, 2017 0:02:23 GMT
I'm saying 50%. Disney won't stand for this being too original.
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Post by miike80 on Dec 4, 2017 10:18:02 GMT
somewhere between 25-50%, way less than TFA. But then JJ will bw back for the third and i cannot wait for Starkiller Base 2
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 14:04:24 GMT
It all depends on what someone considers rehash. If one considers the "rhyming" that Lucas talked about as a rehash, there may be plenty. It's how Star Wars works. But if you only consider what JJ did, with much heavier repeating of the story to be rehash, I think it will be minimal.
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Post by audiosane on Dec 4, 2017 15:38:42 GMT
It all depends on what someone considers rehash. If one considers the "rhyming" that Lucas talked about as a rehash, there may be plenty. It's how Star Wars works. But if you only consider what JJ did, with much heavier repeating of the story to be rehash, I think it will be minimal. But Star Wars doesn't have to rhyme. It only does because Lucas and Abrams decided to. Just to be clear, what's the difference between a rhyme and a rehash? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 4, 2017 17:08:55 GMT
It all depends on what someone considers rehash. If one considers the "rhyming" that Lucas talked about as a rehash, there may be plenty. It's how Star Wars works. But if you only consider what JJ did, with much heavier repeating of the story to be rehash, I think it will be minimal. But Star Wars doesn't have to rhyme. It only does because Lucas and Abrams decided to. Just to be clear, what's the difference between a rhyme and a rehash? I consider all James Bond films as rhyming. Do you consider them rehashed? |
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Post by darkpast on Dec 4, 2017 22:36:51 GMT
50% sounds about right
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Post by audiosane on Dec 5, 2017 7:42:20 GMT
But Star Wars doesn't have to rhyme. It only does because Lucas and Abrams decided to. Just to be clear, what's the difference between a rhyme and a rehash? I consider all James Bond films as rhyming. Do you consider them rehashed? I haven't watched too many Bond films, but would you say that rhyming is along the lines of the formula for an Indiana Jones film (1-3)? Things like: - opening sequence with treasure unrelated to the main plot - scene where someone explains what McGuffin treasure Indie needs to secure before the bad guys get to it or use it to hurt people - scene somewhere where Indie gets romantic with the female lead - scene where Indie fights the muscle guy - etc. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2017 12:39:31 GMT
I consider all James Bond films as rhyming. Do you consider them rehashed? I haven't watched too many Bond films, but would you say that rhyming is along the lines of the formula for an Indiana Jones film (1-3)? Things like: - opening sequence with treasure unrelated to the main plot - scene where someone explains what McGuffin treasure Indie needs to secure before the bad guys get to it or use it to hurt people - scene somewhere where Indie gets romantic with the female lead - scene where Indie fights the muscle guy - etc. Bond has many more points in common than Jones, but yes, that is the gist of it. I think Johnson may follow some sort of rhyming scheme because it's really become part of the way a Star Wars story is told. But JJ overdid that to the point of a rehash. I still loved the film, but have to admit he did that. I don't expect that in this film. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 6, 2017 0:28:53 GMT
25% at most.
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Post by Nightman on Dec 6, 2017 0:49:05 GMT
But Star Wars doesn't have to rhyme. It only does because Lucas and Abrams decided to. Just to be clear, what's the difference between a rhyme and a rehash? The way I understand it, a rhyme is a formula for a particular story franchise. For instance, the first six Harry Potter books "rhymed." No one could accuse them of being the same because their story elements varied from book to book, even if their basic plot beats were the same. A rehash is when stories within a franchise are extremely similar with few to no variations. A New Hope/TFA is one example, along with the first two Home Alones, first two Terminators, first two Hangovers. I notice that stories used to be able to get away with rehashing from themselves, but can't anymore. |
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Post by audiosane on Dec 6, 2017 1:48:57 GMT
But Star Wars doesn't have to rhyme. It only does because Lucas and Abrams decided to. Just to be clear, what's the difference between a rhyme and a rehash? The way I understand it, a rhyme is a formula for a particular story franchise. For instance, the first six Harry Potter books "rhymed." No one could accuse them of being the same because their story elements varied from book to book, even if their basic plot beats were the same. A rehash is when stories within a franchise are extremely similar with few to no variations. A New Hope/TFA is one example, along with the first two Home Alones, first two Terminators, first two Hangovers. I notice that stories used to be able to get away with rehashing from themselves, but can't anymore. Yeah! I noticed that with both Home Alone and Terminator sequels. Great films, IMO, but high on the 'hash. ;B All right, so it seems to be a matter of degree. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 9, 2017 10:40:22 GMT
%50 if Disney has their way.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 13, 2017 1:41:22 GMT
National Review:
"Rerun of the Jedi."
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Post by audiosane on Dec 15, 2017 9:51:31 GMT
National Review: "Rerun of the Jedi." Amazing. Two films and 30+ years later, and we still have just one Jedi in the galaxy. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 15, 2017 11:55:44 GMT
After seeing it, 10 percent ESB 10 percent ROTJ and a whole lot of new
Look it's that scene in ROTJ, oh wait no it's not cool
Look it's that scene in esb, oh wait no it's not cool
And so on ans so forth
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