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Post by LaurenceBranagh on Mar 9, 2017 1:15:56 GMT
I just watched it yesterday. Not as bad as many critics made it out to be, but still a bit disjointed and in need of another re-write.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 9, 2017 2:07:37 GMT
I just watched it yesterday. Not as bad as many critics made it out to be, but still a bit disjointed and in need of another re-write. Hey, thanks for weighing in. If you were tasked with reworking the movie, what are a few changes you would make? I'll throw a couple out. As someone who really enjoyed it, I think that Oscar Isaac was perfect for their vision of Apocalypse, but I would've been open to a casting choice closer to the comics and animated. I forget where, sorry, elsewhere on IMDB2 someone suggested Isaac would be a(n even) better Sinister, and I agree. Secondly I would've rewritten a lot of the Mystique arc, especially given JL's refusal to spend much time in the blue make-up. It was semi-contradictory to the previous films -- or struck me that way, at least -- and could've been stronger. |
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Post by LaurenceBranagh on Mar 9, 2017 2:19:21 GMT
I would've included more moments that revealed character rather than move the plot. I wish it had more an X2-feeling, where every character had important emotional moments (except Lady Deathstrike - who seemed to inspire Psylocke in regards to castings a well-known actress, giving her few lines, and making her a strong warrior). I would also have cut the Wolverine cameo, which added little to the film other than being a fan-moment. Also, due to the fame of both Jackman and his character, his cameo distracted from the tone of the film (unlike his cameo in First Class - a movie with a very different style). Lastly, I would have made Moira's presence mean something besides plot, exposition, and a shoe-horned emotional arc for Xavier. After watching, I almost forgot she was in the movie after her being relegated to mostly background/extra-status half-way through the film.
But, overall, it's an okay film.
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Post by Ecstasy on Mar 9, 2017 4:10:40 GMT
I would've included more moments that revealed character rather than move the plot. I wish it had more an X2-feeling, where every character had important emotional moments (except Lady Deathstrike - who seemed to inspire Psylocke in regards to castings a well-known actress, giving her few lines, and making her a strong warrior). I would also have cut the Wolverine cameo, which added little to the film other than being a fan-moment. Also, due to the fame of both Jackman and his character, his cameo distracted from the tone of the film (unlike his cameo in First Class - a movie with a very different style). Lastly, I would have made Moira's presence mean something besides plot, exposition, and a shoe-horned emotional arc for Xavier. After watching, I almost forgot she was in the movie after her being relegated to mostly background/extra-status half-way through the film. But, overall, it's an okay film. The Wolverine was pretty much there to set-up the events of Logan. Moria does fit into the idea that Xavier no longer controlling other people's lives. |
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Post by flasuss on Mar 9, 2017 23:19:31 GMT
I just watched it today. Better than I expected, although has it's share of problems- Lawrence phoning in, Angel as a Russian (?) cage fighter (??), Psylocke as an evil (  ) bodyguard ( ?), unnecessary Logan cameo, but it's well entertaining, with some good sequences; Nightcrawler was good and Cyclops and Jean Grey finally felt like characters rather than objects for Logan to complain about/lust for. It was also good to see the mansion blow up on the screen for the first time (though Ihope they don't make it an habit like the comics), and McAvoy and Fassbender were great as always. |
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Post by Ecstasy on Mar 9, 2017 23:24:14 GMT
I just watched it today. Better than I expected, although has it's share of problems- Lawrence phoning in, Angel as a Russian (?) cage fighter (??), Psylocke as an evil ( ) bodyguard ( ?), unnecessary Logan cameo, but it's well entertaining, with some good sequences; Nightcrawler was good and Cyclops and Jean Grey finally felt like characters rather than objects for Logan to complain about/lust for. It was also good to see the mansion blow up on the screen for the first time (though Ihope they don't make it an habit like the comics), and McAvoy and Fassbender were great as always. Angel wasn't Russian considering the American accent. Nor a real cage fighter since it's strongly implied he was forced to fight like Nightcrawler. As for Psylocke, that seemed like a nod to her Lady Mandrain days. |
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Post by flasuss on Mar 9, 2017 23:27:45 GMT
Angel's accent seemed weird.
As for Psylocke, it wasn't a nod to anything, they just made her generic evil. As wasted as Emma Frost was.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 5:40:31 GMT
I just watched it today. Better than I expected, although has it's share of problems- Lawrence phoning in, Angel as a Russian (?) cage fighter (??), Psylocke as an evil ( ) bodyguard ( ?), unnecessary Logan cameo, but it's well entertaining, with some good sequences; Nightcrawler was good and Cyclops and Jean Grey finally felt like characters rather than objects for Logan to complain about/lust for. It was also good to see the mansion blow up on the screen for the first time (though Ihope they don't make it an habit like the comics), and McAvoy and Fassbender were great as always. Lawrence really phoned it in; it annoyed me. She sucks. As was pointed out, Angel isn't Russian; the cage fighting was a cool allusion to the first X-Men movie. Dug it. Psylocke is a morally gray character at various points and in various incarnations. Don't see how she was anymore of a "bodyguard" than the other Horsemen. She was a warrior in service of Apocalypse. It was (a) just what you said it was: a cameo, so sure it was (inherently) unnecessary, but it didn't strike me as out of place, and it was also (b) basically the last (logical) chance to have Jackman in the Weapon X getup. So you're not wrong that they did it for the sake of doing it, and I loved it. Sorry it took you out of the film. I get why it could. Agreed tenfold on Kurt, Scott, Jean, and the mansion. I've enjoyed both McAvoy and Fassbender throughout the trilogy but did think this was probably the weakest outing of the three for of them. I actually thought they were best in First Class, but that's probably just because they're much more so the focal characters of the movie. |
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Post by flasuss on Mar 10, 2017 6:15:02 GMT
Psylocke was a bodyguard for both Caliban and Apocalypse, and showed no problems or regrets of supporting the latter, which goes far, far away from being "morally gray". She was just wasted.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 6:38:53 GMT
Enh. Wasted is subjective. It's fucking Psylocke.  |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 13:57:35 GMT
More power to you for liking the movie. I watched it either opening weekend or it's second weekend I forget and I will never bother watching that film a second time I absolutely hated it. Fassbender, McAvoy, and Isaacs were all fine. Olivia Munn who I'm a fan of I wish had more things to do in the film but she was still nice to look at and I was happy she got the costume. Also before anybody tries to attack me in regards to my taste in acting I never said I think Munn is a good actress. I just tend to like her in general as a person/personality so she gets more of a pass from me. I've enjoyed her since she was on G4.
A lot of my complaints were rehashed moments like you mentioned as the "greatest hits". I hate how so many of these X-Men films have to throw in Stryker, some sort of Wolverine origin, Magneto as a villain, we got Phoenix again (yay.....sigh), a rinse and repeat Quicksilver scene from DOFP, let's make sure Magneto lifts something super impressive again because it sure looks cool. It all just really hit me together watching this film that I want none of any of that going forward. Which is partially why I won't watch this upcoming Phoenix adaptation because I know I don't want it.
I also really hated Sophie Turner. I find her to be a horrible actress and I didn't find her believable in the role of Jean Grey at all. Tye whatever his name was nothing special either for me. That role he played in this film I feel could of been played by anybody. They also should of killed off Mystique in this film I think that was a really missed opportunity. Nightcrawler and Storm were fine but I wish Storm also had more to do. Angel was meh didn't have a feeling one way or the other in regards to him. I also had points in the film where I laughed out loud in times when I wasn't supposed to. I got a lot of angry looks from people in the theater and I didn't give two shits as it was the only way I could bring myself to enjoy the film because I was so bored. I laughed when Scott was upset that Havok died. We got like 1 scene that they shared together and got no sense of chemistry or connection between them. It's just they're brothers so you have to believe that he's upset. Sorry but I needed more. I also laughed when Magneto threw down the metal X in front of Apocalypse in the final battle because that came off as sooooo cheesy to me. He should of just tried to impale him with it or something. That part in DOFP when he did that to Wolverine was awesome. Also, the CGI at the end when they're rebuilding the mansion was really bad.
So yeah...I'm glad those of you that liked the film liked it. I was super excited for this film and it was my most anticipated comic book film going into last year and in regards to disappointment it finished last simply because I had higher hopes for it than I ever did with Batman V Superman or Suicide Squad.
I'd also rather watch The Last Stand again before I watched Apocalypse again. Both are very bad movies to me for what it's worth but I'd rather watch the original cast then the young new one.
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Post by Ecstasy on Mar 10, 2017 18:50:58 GMT
A lot of my complaints were rehashed moments like you mentioned as the "greatest hits". I hate how so many of these X-Men films have to throw in Stryker, some sort of Wolverine origin, Magneto as a villain, we got Phoenix again (yay.....sigh), a rinse and repeat Quicksilver scene from DOFP, let's make sure Magneto lifts something super impressive again because it sure looks cool. It all just really hit me together watching this film that I want none of any of that going forward. Which is partially why I won't watch this upcoming Phoenix adaptation because I know I don't want it. According to Kinberg that Weapon X scene was to set-up the events of Logan. It is referenced in that film too. Phoenix was to show Charles' development from DOFP. Where doesn't try to control people anymore like in X3. Magneto probably fit in with Beast's theory in DOFP. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2017 20:30:54 GMT
A lot of my complaints were rehashed moments like you mentioned as the "greatest hits". I hate how so many of these X-Men films have to throw in Stryker, some sort of Wolverine origin, Magneto as a villain, we got Phoenix again (yay.....sigh), a rinse and repeat Quicksilver scene from DOFP, let's make sure Magneto lifts something super impressive again because it sure looks cool. It all just really hit me together watching this film that I want none of any of that going forward. Which is partially why I won't watch this upcoming Phoenix adaptation because I know I don't want it. According to Kinberg that Weapon X scene was to set-up the events of Logan. It is referenced in that film too. Phoenix was to show Charles' development from DOFP. Where doesn't try to control people anymore like in X3. Magneto probably fit in with Beast's theory in DOFP. So? You can tell me all you want why those things were in the film yet they were all just a bunch of the same stuff that I've seen/don't care to see again packaged in a "new" way. It's like getting a used gift at Christmas with just a bow placed on it. Nothing you said changes my feeling towards those things. If you liked the film by all means enjoy the film. There however isn't a single thing anybody could tell me to change how I felt about it. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 10, 2017 21:33:13 GMT
According to Kinberg that Weapon X scene was to set-up the events of Logan. It is referenced in that film too. Phoenix was to show Charles' development from DOFP. Where doesn't try to control people anymore like in X3. Magneto probably fit in with Beast's theory in DOFP. So? You can tell me all you want why those things were in the film yet they were all just a bunch of the same stuff that I've seen/don't care to see again packaged in a "new" way. It's like getting a used gift at Christmas with just a bow placed on it. Nothing you said changes my feeling towards those things. If you liked the film by all means enjoy the film. There however isn't a single thing anybody could tell me to change how I felt about it. I mean. Then why engage in discourse about it other than just to bloviate or pontificate? "I myself am here to be a blowhard, intractable douche. And FUCK YOU for engaging me in conversation! You idiots!" Blah, blah, blahhhhhh... |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2017 6:57:15 GMT
So? You can tell me all you want why those things were in the film yet they were all just a bunch of the same stuff that I've seen/don't care to see again packaged in a "new" way. It's like getting a used gift at Christmas with just a bow placed on it. Nothing you said changes my feeling towards those things. If you liked the film by all means enjoy the film. There however isn't a single thing anybody could tell me to change how I felt about it. I mean. Then why engage in discourse about it other than just to bloviate or pontificate? "I myself am here to be a blowhard, intractable douche. And FUCK YOU for engaging me in conversation! You idiots!" Blah, blah, blahhhhhh... Well it's not like I asked why said scenes were there as if I was confused or needed them explained. I was pointing out how they came across to me and they were all things I didn't care to see once again. So explaining to me why said scenes are there do not affect me in any way because it doesn't make me like them any more. So what is anybody going to say to all the sudden make me like those scenes more? It sure doesn't change any of the acting by some people or change how they were perceived by myself. I gave my opinion of what I thought of the movie and pointed out the reasons why I formed said opinion. If you want to discuss them fine. But I'm honest enough to say that in regards to those things my mind won't change. I'm stubborn like that. I don't feel that way in regards to all films but X-Men Apocalypse I do. Also nice attempt at trying to put insults in my phrasing for me as I was in no way insulting anybody. Like I said, if people liked the film more power to them. I'm not going to insult you or whoever for enjoying a film. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 11, 2017 7:03:46 GMT
I mean. Then why engage in discourse about it other than just to bloviate or pontificate? "I myself am here to be a blowhard, intractable douche. And FUCK YOU for engaging me in conversation! You idiots!" Blah, blah, blahhhhhh... Well it's not like I asked why said scenes were there as if I was confused or needed them explained. I was pointing out how they came across to me and they were all things I didn't care to see once again. So explaining to me why said scenes are there do not affect me in any way because it doesn't make me like them any more. So what is anybody going to say to all the sudden make me like those scenes more? It sure doesn't change any of the acting by some people or change how they were perceived by myself. I gave my opinion of what I thought of the movie and pointed out the reasons why I formed said opinion. If you want to discuss them fine. But I'm honest enough to say that in regards to those things my mind won't change. I'm stubborn like that. I don't feel that way in regards to all films but X-Men Apocalypse I do. Also nice attempt at trying to put insults in my phrasing for me as I was in no way insulting anybody. Like I said, if people liked the film more power to them. I'm not going to insult you or whoever for enjoying a film. So you hated the movie. ![]()  |
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Mar 22, 2017 4:36:59 GMT
THANK YOU. I'm glad to see someone come to their senses, look past expectations and see Apocalypse for the good, underrated movie that it is.
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Post by yogabagaba on Mar 22, 2017 8:02:16 GMT
Honestly, the first two thirds of Apocalypse were just boring, save for Fassbender somehow making otherwise weakly scripted scenes work (though I couldn't help but laugh at the cliche of him shouting at god while cradling his family's bodies after murdering those police officers. It was just so cheesy, from the dialogue right down to the framing). Too bad the same can't be said of Lawrence, who is just sleepwalking through 90% of her scenes. Poor Sophie Turner, while be no means a great actress, is given nothing to work with, and the Jean/Phoenix stuff shows that Singer and company still don't get what made that story interesting in the comics (and no, it has nothing to do with going to outer space). So, even with Singer likely gone as director, it seems that Fox is set to screw that story up again. Why is Moira in this movie? I mean other than to make it appear things are coming full circle. Because otherwise she's superfluous for the vast majority of the film, and the reconciliation between her and Charles after having her memories wiped for 20 or so years comes off as horribly rushed.
At least the third act devolves into over-the-top schlock, so much so that I was laughing throughout the entire final battle, sometimes hysterically. Ass-pulls all over the place, bizarre camera angles and movements that made no sense other than to merely appear artistic but without meaning (the rotating one when Jean walks into Xavier's dream/mind left me asking "who honestly thought of this, and why would they use it? Who story-boarded this schlock?"), the at times atrocious green screening and poor CGI, how desperately it's trying to be more like an MCU film. It's all so laughable. And the cherry on top? How easily Magneto likely killing thousands (or more?) is just dismissed. Hell, they don't even address it. He and Xavier are simply back to being all chummy with each other, and the mass murderer walks off free as a bird. The third act was so bad it was hilarious. I honestly wish the film had been like that throughout, then it might have been enjoyable throughout, even if in an ironic way.
And that's to say nothing of the insertion of Wolverine, which comes off as being all part of reshoots. Even that ends humourously with how the scene is framed when he runs off into the woods: it's just so sudden, random, and anti-climactic as he just runs out the door like it's nothing. I'm willing to bet that's because it was part of rushed reshoots. They didn't have the time to try and frame it well or to show him actually in the wilderness.
In short, the movie is a mess, and the only enjoyment to be had is of the ironic variety at how ridiculous it gets at points.
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Post by Ecstasy on Mar 22, 2017 9:30:55 GMT
Honestly, the first two thirds of Apocalypse were just boring, save for Fassbender somehow making otherwise weakly scripted scenes work (though I couldn't help but laugh at the cliche of him shouting at god while cradling his family's bodies after murdering those police officers. It was just so cheesy, from the dialogue right down to the framing). Too bad the same can't be said of Lawrence, who is just sleepwalking through 90% of her scenes. Poor Sophie Turner, while be no means a great actress, is given nothing to work with, and the Jean/Phoenix stuff shows that Singer and company still don't get what made that story interesting in the comics (and no, it has nothing to do with going to outer space). So, even with Singer likely gone as director, it seems that Fox is set to screw that story up again. Why is Moira in this movie? I mean other than to make it appear things are coming full circle. Because otherwise she's superfluous for the vast majority of the film, and the reconciliation between her and Charles after having her memories wiped for 20 or so years comes off as horribly rushed. At least the third act devolves into over-the-top schlock, so much so that I was laughing throughout the entire final battle, sometimes hysterically. Ass-pulls all over the place, bizarre camera angles and movements that made no sense other than to merely appear artistic but without meaning (the rotating one when Jean walks into Xavier's dream/mind left me asking "who honestly thought of this, and why would they use it? Who story-boarded this schlock?"), the at times atrocious green screening and poor CGI, how desperately it's trying to be more like an MCU film. It's all so laughable. And the cherry on top? How easily Magneto likely killing thousands (or more?) is just dismissed. Hell, they don't even address it. He and Xavier are simply back to being all chummy with each other, and the mass murderer walks off free as a bird. The third act was so bad it was hilarious. I honestly wish the film had been like that throughout, then it might have been enjoyable throughout, even if in an ironic way. And that's to say nothing of the insertion of Wolverine, which comes off as being all part of reshoots. Even that ends humourously with how the scene is framed when he runs off into the woods: it's just so sudden, random, and anti-climactic as he just runs out the door like it's nothing. I'm willing to bet that's because it was part of rushed reshoots. They didn't have the time to try and frame it well or to show him actually in the wilderness. In short, the movie is a mess, and the only enjoyment to be had is of the ironic variety at how ridiculous it gets at points. I'll break this down in the post below. |
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Post by Ecstasy on Mar 22, 2017 9:53:49 GMT
You know that was apart of the theme, right? The film mentions that Apocalypse was the figure that inspired the Jewish god. It's apart of the reason why he followed him and the other reason was due to hypnosis.
Oh they do get it. The purpose of the Phoenix was save a lame character from the sexism of the Silver Age. Jean started out as the weakest X-Man and was a lackluster character to boot. The Silver Age depiction of the character wouldn't work on screen. Just look at how poorly received Jean was in the 90s animated series.
Notice how Evolution, Ultimate, Wolverine & The X-Men, and X-Men: Season One make Jean the strongest X-Man from the get-go. The movies are talking notes from them.
You know there are other versions to that story, right?
It wasn't rushed at all. It was the completion of an arc for Charles that started in Days of Future Past, about how he shouldn't control people. The Jean/Phoenix stuff was the final proof to Charles that him controlling people is not the answer. Remember how he tried to control Jean in X3? Jean's inclusion in the film was a pay-off to that.
What are you referring to?
Now this is laughable! All that stuff was in the original Apocalypse story! It had nothing to do with the MCU. I remember Singer saying months prior to the film's release that trying to be like The Avengers would be a bad idea.
That also happened in the original story.
And Xavier blew up two submarines with hundreds of people on them. So he is not in a position to judge Erik.
They weren't reshoots. The whole scene was planned during scripting and the guy playing Stryker was seen on set in earlier filming.
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