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Post by sanddragon939 on Mar 6, 2017 9:17:13 GMT
Before going to watch 'Logan'...and I have to say, the movie is a lot better than I remember it as last year.
Sure, compared to 'Days of Future Past' or even 'First Class', its a tad disappointing. But its leaps and bounds ahead of the likes of 'X-men Origins Wolverine' or 'X-men The Last Stand' in terms of quality, and certainly well ahead of 'The Wolverine' in terms of entertainment value.
With 'Apocalypse' I feel they gave what so many fans claimed they wanted - an X-men film that felt like a comic-book movie, with colorful costumes and settings, a big old supervillain, global 'world ending' stakes and loads of X-men working as a team.
The 'origin story' of Cyclops, Jean and Nightcrawler (and Storm as well, though disappointingly she wasn't given as much focus as I'd have liked) is easily the highlight of the film - perhaps even more so than the old Charles, Eric and Raven stories; and when the film focuses on these characters, its at its best. It's the scenes with the Horseman, and Apocalypse on his sprees of destruction that, while visually spectacular, aren't the most engaging as far as the narrative is concerned.
Raven's arc in this film was intriguing - the idea of her being a legend who inspires younger mutants, and who's secretly spent years out in the field helping mutants before the X-men really existed. And Eric's story of course is a interesting adaptation of an aspect of his comic-book backstory that was never touched upon in earlier films.
Yes, there is a sense that the film is a kind of 'greatest Hits' of the X-men franchise, with shades of so many previous films blended in. You have the 'origin story' that sorta leads into X1 (forming the X-men, giving Cyclops, Jean and Storm backstories etc.), a call-back in many ways to 'First Class' (Magneto in Aushwitz, the Charles-Eric relationship coming back to the fore, Charles and Raven reconciling, the birth of the X-men), elements of X2 (Weapon X, the Alkali lake base and Stryker), and of course a Quicksilver super-speed sequence ala 'Days of Future Past'. Which does make the film feel its an echo of better days. Well, one can deduct points for lack of originality, but given that the film is supposed to function as a quasi-'reboot' as well as a prequel, I think some of the above was to be expected in any case, and its largely been executed well.
On the whole, I'd say Apocalypse is a film I and many others have judged perhaps a tad too harshly. Its not the franchise's best, but certainly not among the worse either.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 6, 2017 11:21:11 GMT
Before going to watch 'Logan'...and I have to say, the movie is a lot better than I remember it as last year. Sure, compared to 'Days of Future Past' or even 'First Class', its a tad disappointing. But its leaps and bounds ahead of the likes of 'X-men Origins Wolverine' or 'X-men The Last Stand' in terms of quality, and certainly well ahead of 'The Wolverine' in terms of entertainment value. With 'Apocalypse' I feel they gave what so many fans claimed they wanted - an X-men film that felt like a comic-book movie, with colorful costumes and settings, a big old supervillain, global 'world ending' stakes and loads of X-men working as a team. The 'origin story' of Cyclops, Jean and Nightcrawler (and Storm as well, though disappointingly she wasn't given as much focus as I'd have liked) is easily the highlight of the film - perhaps even more so than the old Charles, Eric and Raven stories; and when the film focuses on these characters, its at its best. It's the scenes with the Horseman, and Apocalypse on his sprees of destruction that, while visually spectacular, aren't the most engaging as far as the narrative is concerned. Raven's arc in this film was intriguing - the idea of her being a legend who inspires younger mutants, and who's secretly spent years out in the field helping mutants before the X-men really existed. And Eric's story of course is a interesting adaptation of an aspect of his comic-book backstory that was never touched upon in earlier films. Yes, there is a sense that the film is a kind of 'greatest Hits' of the X-men franchise, with shades of so many previous films blended in. You have the 'origin story' that sorta leads into X1 (forming the X-men, giving Cyclops, Jean and Storm backstories etc.), a call-back in many ways to 'First Class' (Magneto in Aushwitz, the Charles-Eric relationship coming back to the fore, Charles and Raven reconciling, the birth of the X-men), elements of X2 (Weapon X, the Alkali lake base and Stryker), and of course a Quicksilver super-speed sequence ala 'Days of Future Past'. Which does make the film feel its an echo of better days. Well, one can deduct points for lack of originality, but given that the film is supposed to function as a quasi-'reboot' as well as a prequel, I think some of the above was to be expected in any case, and its largely been executed well. On the whole, I'd say Apocalypse is a film I and many others have judged perhaps a tad too harshly. Its not the franchise's best, but certainly not among the worse either. I was bored the entire time. Who are these completely flat uninteresting actors they got for key roles like Storm, Psylocke, and Angel? Why did they look so cartoony? Why did they do those cheesy scenes where they show up and the camera is slightly looking up at them like its this grand entrance we're supposed to be impressed with, but it's obviously a green screen shot. It had the opposite effect, I just rolled my eyes. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 6, 2017 12:07:39 GMT
Raven's arc is identical to Wolverine's in LOGAN.
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 6, 2017 16:30:38 GMT
Raven's arc is identical to Wolverine's in LOGAN. Only Jackman wasn't phoning it in or stealing the spotlight from more deserving characters. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 6, 2017 17:34:33 GMT
Raven's arc is identical to Wolverine's in LOGAN. Only Jackman wasn't phoning it in or stealing the spotlight from more deserving characters. Stealing spotlight? Raven was useless in that movie. The kids had more to do than her like taking down Weapon X, saving Xavier, and killing Apocalypse. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 6, 2017 17:56:14 GMT
Only Jackman wasn't phoning it in or stealing the spotlight from more deserving characters. Stealing spotlight? Raven was useless in that movie. The kids had more to do than her like taking down Weapon X, saving Xavier, and killing Apocalypse. Yeah, and the movie still tried to focus on her as some "Mutant Hero"...they turned her into Katniss in Mystique's skin. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 6, 2017 18:45:21 GMT
Stealing spotlight? Raven was useless in that movie. The kids had more to do than her like taking down Weapon X, saving Xavier, and killing Apocalypse. Yeah, and the movie still tried to focus on her as some "Mutant Hero"...they turned her into Katniss in Mystique's skin. And the "Mutant Hero" aspect crossed over into LOGAN, which was pretty cool. |
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Post by Skaathar on Mar 6, 2017 23:49:25 GMT
And this is why the X-men films never really feel like X-men films. It's because they tend to focus on A hero instead of the entire team.
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Post by Lee on Mar 6, 2017 23:59:56 GMT
Apocalypse isjust the typical superhero film, where a mighty being wants to destroy the world and our heroes tries to stop. Has nothing to do with the mor grounded X-Men movies before.
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Post by brownstones on Mar 7, 2017 0:02:15 GMT
it was just a messy, and tone deaf film. I mean you have a horrendously tragic Magneto storyline tied in with this silly villain, and teens. the quicksilver scene is the best example of this, Havok was just killed, then hard cut to quicksilver's sweet dreams sequence, then cut back to scott finding out his brother died. all it needed to do was just make it seem like quicksilver couldn't go fast enough, to make it more impactful.
I don't hate it, but you feel the length more than you should, when they were about to go to the wolverine scene it honestly felt like 2.5 hours.
also with fox had let Lawrence go, because they bent over backwards for her,
-"i don't want to be in make up, I want a larger role, I want more money"
-"okay miss"
-"great.......now let me phone it in, and try and convince McAcoy and Fassbender to leave with me, and just undermine the franchise"
this honestly angered me, i'm not the biggest fan of the series, I like it but it's not the cream of the crop, but to do that? go fuck yourself, and learn some respect.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 7, 2017 1:45:43 GMT
And this is why the X-men films never really feel like X-men films. It's because they tend to focus on A hero instead of the entire team. Who is the hero though? It's not Raven considering she doesn't get much screentime compared other characters. Scott, Jean, Hank, and Erik had as much. The only characters with a lot of screentime was Xavier and Apocalypse. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 7, 2017 1:53:31 GMT
it was just a messy, and tone deaf film. I mean you have a horrendously tragic Magneto storyline tied in with this silly villain, and teens. the quicksilver scene is the best example of this, Havok was just killed, then hard cut to quicksilver's sweet dreams sequence, then cut back to scott finding out his brother died. all it needed to do was just make it seem like quicksilver couldn't go fast enough, to make it more impactful. I don't hate it, but you feel the length more than you should, when they were about to go to the wolverine scene it honestly felt like 2.5 hours. also with fox had let Lawrence go, because they bent over backwards for her, -"i don't want to be in make up, I want a larger role, I want more money" -"okay miss" -"great.......now let me phone it in, and try and convince McAcoy and Fassbender to leave with me, and just undermine the franchise" this honestly angered me, i'm not the biggest fan of the series, I like it but it's not the cream of the crop, but to do that? go fuck yourself, and learn some respect. The villian does fit with Magneto's story. Him wondering what God wants of him and Apocalypse being the inspiration for the god of the Old Testament(whom he also has the personality of) uses that to manipulate him. I wouldn't say the movie was messy as it was basically about showcasing Xavier as a better person than he was in the original timeline by the fixing the mistakes he made with Erik, Raven, and Jean. Apocalypse served as a foil for him, like in the comics. And I wouldn't say J-Law had a larger role. She basically did nothing and had no action scenes unlike the last film. Thankfully McAcoy isn't done. |
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 7, 2017 1:57:10 GMT
Apocalypse isjust the typical superhero film, where a mighty being wants to destroy the world and our heroes tries to stop. Has nothing to do with the mor grounded X-Men movies before. That's the surface of the story but there is more to it as posted above. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 2:14:04 GMT
I loved it.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 7, 2017 4:13:50 GMT
Before going to watch 'Logan'...and I have to say, the movie is a lot better than I remember it as last year. Sure, compared to 'Days of Future Past' or even 'First Class', its a tad disappointing. But its leaps and bounds ahead of the likes of 'X-men Origins Wolverine' or 'X-men The Last Stand' in terms of quality, and certainly well ahead of 'The Wolverine' in terms of entertainment value. With 'Apocalypse' I feel they gave what so many fans claimed they wanted - an X-men film that felt like a comic-book movie, with colorful costumes and settings, a big old supervillain, global 'world ending' stakes and loads of X-men working as a team. The 'origin story' of Cyclops, Jean and Nightcrawler (and Storm as well, though disappointingly she wasn't given as much focus as I'd have liked) is easily the highlight of the film - perhaps even more so than the old Charles, Eric and Raven stories; and when the film focuses on these characters, its at its best. It's the scenes with the Horseman, and Apocalypse on his sprees of destruction that, while visually spectacular, aren't the most engaging as far as the narrative is concerned. Raven's arc in this film was intriguing - the idea of her being a legend who inspires younger mutants, and who's secretly spent years out in the field helping mutants before the X-men really existed. And Eric's story of course is a interesting adaptation of an aspect of his comic-book backstory that was never touched upon in earlier films. Yes, there is a sense that the film is a kind of 'greatest Hits' of the X-men franchise, with shades of so many previous films blended in. You have the 'origin story' that sorta leads into X1 (forming the X-men, giving Cyclops, Jean and Storm backstories etc.), a call-back in many ways to 'First Class' (Magneto in Aushwitz, the Charles-Eric relationship coming back to the fore, Charles and Raven reconciling, the birth of the X-men), elements of X2 (Weapon X, the Alkali lake base and Stryker), and of course a Quicksilver super-speed sequence ala 'Days of Future Past'. Which does make the film feel its an echo of better days. Well, one can deduct points for lack of originality, but given that the film is supposed to function as a quasi-'reboot' as well as a prequel, I think some of the above was to be expected in any case, and its largely been executed well. On the whole, I'd say Apocalypse is a film I and many others have judged perhaps a tad too harshly. Its not the franchise's best, but certainly not among the worse either. I was bored the entire time. Who are these completely flat uninteresting actors they got for key roles like Storm, Psylocke, and Angel? Why did they look so cartoony? Why did they do those cheesy scenes where they show up and the camera is slightly looking up at them like its this grand entrance we're supposed to be impressed with, but it's obviously a green screen shot. It had the opposite effect, I just rolled my eyes. Says the McMarvel mark who literally ejaculated ten minutes into Ant Man. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 7, 2017 4:15:55 GMT
Says the McMarvel mark who literally ejaculated ten minutes into Ant Man. Well Marvel has produced the greatest comic book film series of all time by far, and one of the very greatest film achievements ever. So yes, I enjoy that.
Also I was bored with Apocalypse.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 7, 2017 4:21:50 GMT
Says the McMarvel mark who literally ejaculated ten minutes into Ant Man. Well Marvel has produced the greatest comic book film series of all time by far, and one of the very greatest film achievements ever. So yes, I enjoy that.
Also I was bored with Apocalypse.
That all-sizzle-and-no-steak parade of third-rate jobbers and second-tier JLA knockoffs Disney got stuck with and sold to the lowest common denominator of mouth breathing morons because they can't legally make real Marvel movies? You honestly think they'd even piss away the money they did on Guardians of the Bottom of the Creative Barrel if they could('ve) made Spider-Man and X-Men movies? You're an even bigger mark than I thought. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 7, 2017 4:22:25 GMT
Well Marvel has produced the greatest comic book film series of all time by far, and one of the very greatest film achievements ever. So yes, I enjoy that.
Also I was bored with Apocalypse.
That all-sizzle-and-no-steak parade of third-rate jobbers and second-tier JLA knockoffs Disney got stuck with and sold to the lowest common denominator of mouth breathing moron because they can't legally make real Marvel movies? You honestly think they'd even piss away the money they did on Guardians of the Bottom of the Creative Barrel if they could('ve) made Spider-Man and X-Men movies? You're an even bigger mark than I thought. And it's awesome. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Mar 7, 2017 4:24:45 GMT
That all-sizzle-and-no-steak parade of third-rate jobbers and second-tier JLA knockoffs Disney got stuck with and sold to the lowest common denominator of mouth breathing moron because they can't legally make real Marvel movies? You honestly think they'd even piss away the money they did on Guardians of the Bottom of the Creative Barrel if they could('ve) made Spider-Man and X-Men movies? You're an even bigger mark than I thought. And it's awesome.  |
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Post by brownstones on Mar 7, 2017 4:44:26 GMT
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