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Post by yogabagaba on Mar 22, 2017 14:38:14 GMT
You know that was apart of the theme, right? The film mentions that Apocalypse was the figure that inspired the Jewish god. It's apart of the reason why he followed him and the other reason was due to hypnosis. Oh boy, I can tell this post is going to be a fun one, and just about what I'd expect from someone with an X-Men character as their dp responding to my post. Apocalypse being the inspiration for the Jewish god does not excuse how cliche the framing is, or how cheesy and on the nose the dialogue was. That was my issue with the scene. Who cares about the themes if it's all shot and written like what you'd expect from a bad TV movie? And the hypnosis is so loosely implied it took Singer (IIRC) coming out and confirming it, probably because he realized how poorly it all came off in the film. Given that it didn't take too much for Storm to turn on Apocalypse, other than seeing him say mean things about Angel after he died, it makes the idea of hypnosis seem a little weak. WTF are you talking about? Jean in the 90s TV show was a tad bland, sure, but then the Dark Phoenix Saga was a major highlight of that series, her role in it included. And so in this redo, they make Jean a wallflower who's essential the mutant equivalent of Carrie? That's how you save her? By making it that she was always some sort of problem waiting to happen? Oh gee, yeah, that doesn't make the whole thing totally predictable and make it so she now has no character arc! You think that's bad? Jubilee was far worse. Hell, how often did any of the X-Men get knocked out easily in that show? As good as the 90s series was, it had its fair share of cheesiness. But unlike things like X-Men Apocalypse, it didn't take itself so damn seriously all the time. They've blown the load too early. Now she's just absurdly overpowered given that she can pull the Phoenix Force out at will (that along with Storm and Magneto's heel-face turns, and Xavier suddenly deciding to have a fist fight with Apocalypse in his mind, are ass-pulls). Between her and Quicksilver (in the movies), the idea of the X-Men ever losing is inconceivable. There's also now no mystery or build-up to the Phoenix either. And before you say that they don't need that because comic book fans already know about it: A) that's no reason to excuse not going through the proper steps when telling a story, and B) the general moviegoing public largely doesn't give a crap. Hell, most people have likely fogotten X-Men: The Last Stand (for good reason), and even then that movie did such a poor job presenting the Phoenix. It seemed like it was more a case of Jean just being evil all on her own. Oh Jesus H. Christ. So it took Charles 10 more years to realize that he was wrong for mind-wiping Moira? And after having her mind manipulated for the last 20 or so years, her first thought isn't how she was violated by him, but to decide to start-up a romance? Hell, it really comes off like if she didn't show up and do nothing for the majority of the film that he would never have remembered to restore her memories. And the answer for Charles is to let some ridiculously dangerous child with powers he doesn't understand loose? Wow, Charles learned soooooo much! Much character arc! Such storytelling! ...What a joke. Did you watch the final battle? The big villain has a doomsday weapon shooting into the sky? The team comes together in the final act to fight around said doomsday weapon. Everything from the attempts at over the top action, to the colour grading (something the MCU films really need to work on), to the way it's shot. It all screams "AVENGERS!" It's clear when it comes to the more technical side of filmmaking that you really have no idea about this stuff...or perhaps you just ignored it for other reasons. Hmmm, I wonder what those could be (looks at display pic). So what? That doesn't excuse how poorly it's executed here. And what? When did Xavier do that? When he was actually being directly manipulated by Apocalypse, to the point he tried to resist but couldn't? Unlike the weakly suggested hypnosis on Magneto and the others, this is pretty blatant mind control. But even if that were the case, a few hundred people at most is equal to thousands, if not millions, not to mention the damage done to the entire planet by manipulating its magnetic poles? Gotta source on that? Even if it were the case, again, this doesn't excuse how badly executed the whole scene is. Wolverine just runs out the door like it's nothing, leaving Jean, Scott, and Nightcrawler standing there confused. It's framed so amateurishly too, which only adds to the randomness. Hell, the entire Alkali Lake scene is nothing but a detour in the middle of the film all for the sake of getting them a jet and uniforms? And shoving in a Wolverine scene to lure in more viewers? Way to kill the narrative's momentum Singer and co.!
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Mar 22, 2017 20:26:34 GMT
Oh boy, I can tell this post is going to be a fun one, and just about what I'd expect from someone with an X-Men character as their dp responding to my post. Apocalypse being the inspiration for the Jewish god does not excuse how cliche the framing is, or how cheesy and on the nose the dialogue was. That was my issue with the scene. Who cares about the themes if it's all shot and written like what you'd expect from a bad TV movie? And the hypnosis is so loosely implied it took Singer (IIRC) coming out and confirming it, probably because he realized how poorly it all came off in the film. Given that it didn't take too much for Storm to turn on Apocalypse, other than seeing him say mean things about Angel after he died, it makes the idea of hypnosis seem a little weak. Singer confirmed that months before the films release, like January of 2016. Stating it was meant to be ambiguous. Storm turned on Apocalypse because she saw someone she cared about getting hurt. That also happens in every Apocalypse story. And in Captain America: The Winter Solider. Exactly. Remember when I said that there were other versions of that story? See the similarities? And she will have an arc, that's obviously going to be about getting over the fear of her of the future. Apocalypse wasn't a very serious film when it had characters like Quicksilver. Jean pulling Phoenix Force isn't an ass-pull. As shown in the video I posted they established that Jean has the power to wipe out the world. That's like calling the adamantium bullet in LOGAN an ass-pull. Its not an ass-pull since it was established all the way in the first act of the film. Storm and Magneto's heel-face turns were also set-up earlier in the film. As for build-up to the Phoenix, why does it need it? It was one of the first things Chris Claremont did with X-Men, having it be done by #7. Not to mention it was already build-up in previous films. By then he still thought it was for the best, says so in the film. As for Jean: it was shown that Xavier had learnt of the events of X3 when he looked through Logan's mind. He knows what will happen if he put psychic blocks on her like in the old timeline. Yup. All from X-Men comics. Here is an example. Yes, that is Magneto doing that in the panel above. I could give more examples. As for filmmaking, I wouldn't say its similar in the way its shot. It was very apparent with Storm. She starts out as a girl that looks after kids, wants to be a hero, and thinks Apocalypse's plan was crazy. All that changed once she got a power-up where she went started talking like a robot and looked to be in a trance during the very next scene we see her in. He was originally met to have a much larger role. www.cinemablend.com/new/Wolverine-Original-Role-X-Men-Apocalypse-Why-It-Changed-133987.htmlAnd the point of the Weapon X scene was to set-up the events of LOGAN. The film even reference that scene.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 24, 2017 16:10:01 GMT
(though I couldn't help but laugh at the cliche of him shouting at god while cradling his family's bodies after murdering those police officers. It was just so cheesy, from the dialogue right down to the framing Honestly, I did find that cheesy. It would've been so much more powerful without the shout at god bit. Erik cradling his family's bodies was heartbreaking on its own. That's all that scene needed.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 22, 2017 23:38:14 GMT
I finally got around to seeing this tonight on tv... It was like going to eat at the $9.95 all you can eat buffet. A serving of this, a serving of that, ohhh, I haven't had that before.... Here, let's have just a little more of this! Well, I haven't had any of that in years, let's just try a little, hmmm, I remember that being a little bit spicier last time... Then when I got full, it seemed it kept on coming....
I'm going to need some Bicarb before I go to bed tonight...
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Apr 24, 2017 21:34:07 GMT
You know that was apart of the theme, right? The film mentions that Apocalypse was the figure that inspired the Jewish god. It's apart of the reason why he followed him and the other reason was due to hypnosis. Oh they do get it. The purpose of the Phoenix was save a lame character from the sexism of the Silver Age. Jean started out as the weakest X-Man and was a lackluster character to boot. The Silver Age depiction of the character wouldn't work on screen. Just look at how poorly received Jean was in the 90s animated series. Notice how Evolution, Ultimate, Wolverine & The X-Men, and X-Men: Season One make Jean the strongest X-Man from the get-go. The movies are talking notes from them. You know there are other versions to that story, right? It wasn't rushed at all. It was the completion of an arc for Charles that started in Days of Future Past, about how he shouldn't control people. The Jean/Phoenix stuff was the final proof to Charles that him controlling people is not the answer. Remember how he tried to control Jean in X3? Jean's inclusion in the film was a pay-off to that. What are you referring to? Now this is laughable! All that stuff was in the original Apocalypse story! It had nothing to do with the MCU. I remember Singer saying months prior to the film's release that trying to be like The Avengers would be a bad idea. That also happened in the original story. And Xavier blew up two submarines with hundreds of people on them. So he is not in a position to judge Erik. They weren't reshoots. The whole scene was planned during scripting and the guy playing Stryker was seen on set in earlier filming.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Apr 24, 2017 21:48:19 GMT
What the hell is wrong with you people?? This guy gets it.... You people are unbelievable. How old are you if you can't appreciate a character mourning in the way he chooses. I bet you all want to destroy and kill anything or everyone religious. That kind of short-sighted, immature hate automatically destroys all of your credibility in my book.
"(though I couldn't help but laugh at the cliche of him shouting at god while cradling his family's bodies after murdering those police officers. It was just so cheesy, from the dialogue right down to the framing Honestly, I did find that cheesy. It would've been so much more powerful without the shout at god bit. Erik cradling his family's bodies was heartbreaking on its own. That's all that scene needed."
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Apr 24, 2017 21:52:47 GMT
BTW, Harley Quinn, I'm drawing up my own storyboards for my own X-Men: Rise of Apocalypse fan fiction. I have Apocalypse using the Shiar ship or unnamed alien ship to change the Ben Foster Angel, who is in my book Warren Worthington. He looks very much like he does in that panel. Thank you for posting that.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Apr 24, 2017 22:04:12 GMT
I still can't get over some of the more retarded critic reviews. One even condemned the film for having too many special effects in the end. Do they even know what movie they paid to see?? You go into an X-Men film, you're going to see lightning, laser beams and metal being warped. DUH!
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 25, 2017 21:12:00 GMT
I still can't get over some of the more retarded critic reviews. One even condemned the film for having too many special effects in the end. Do they even know what movie they paid to see?? You go into an X-Men film, you're going to see lightning, laser beams and metal being warped. DUH! I watched it the other day and the effects looked bad. Like they were half done and rushed it out to theaters. But at least it was a step up from the Justice League trailer. I kinda wish that Singer made a trilogy of pre-X-men movies. Just Xavier and Erik. No team of X-men, no time traveling, no school. Just Xavier and Erik traveling the world and then ultimately having a falling out. Singer starts to lose it when he tries to go big. I think he's better when he makes a small intimate movie. If anything, instead of DoFP, I wish he made a version of Legion Quest.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 26, 2017 1:15:54 GMT
I still can't get over some of the more retarded critic reviews. One even condemned the film for having too many special effects in the end. Do they even know what movie they paid to see?? You go into an X-Men film, you're going to see lightning, laser beams and metal being warped. DUH! I watched it the other day and the effects looked bad. Like they were half done and rushed it out to theaters. But at least it was a step up from the Justice League trailer. From what I heard the effects in the third act were indeed half done. Word has it that the effects team were working on so many other films and they couldn't finish on time. But I heard from a couple of people that they look better in 3D. So probably made for 3D? Idk
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Post by ThatGuy on Apr 26, 2017 13:05:04 GMT
I watched it the other day and the effects looked bad. Like they were half done and rushed it out to theaters. But at least it was a step up from the Justice League trailer. From what I heard the effects in the third act were indeed half done. Word has it that the effects team were working on so many other films and they couldn't finish on time. But I heard from a couple of people that they look better in 3D. So probably made for 3D? Idk Yeah, that's where I noticed it. When they were in Egypt. It had a half done, cartoonish look to it. So maybe it was for 3D.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 14:59:18 GMT
I didn't like it after watching it for the first time, but I rented it just to see if maybe I was being too harsh the first time around or maybe I just had a headache. Upon rewatch I hate this film, it's my least favorite in the X-Men series, Origins is clearly a worse film but I can at least watch it and be entertained. I found it completely boring and uninteresting with bad acting, aside from Fassbender, bad visual effects and action. There's only one scene in the entire film I really like, the forest scene with Magneto's family. That's really the only reason I wouldn't give the film an F.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 26, 2017 17:12:34 GMT
I didn't like it after watching it for the first time, but I rented it just to see if maybe I was being too harsh the first time around or maybe I just had a headache. Upon rewatch I hate this film, it's my least favorite in the X-Men series, Origins is clearly a worse film but I can at least watch it and be entertained. I found it completely boring and uninteresting with bad acting, aside from Fassbender, bad visual effects and action. There's only one scene in the entire film I really like, the forest scene with Magneto's family. That's really the only reason I wouldn't give the film an F. You thought Mcavoy was bad?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2017 17:20:06 GMT
I didn't like it after watching it for the first time, but I rented it just to see if maybe I was being too harsh the first time around or maybe I just had a headache. Upon rewatch I hate this film, it's my least favorite in the X-Men series, Origins is clearly a worse film but I can at least watch it and be entertained. I found it completely boring and uninteresting with bad acting, aside from Fassbender, bad visual effects and action. There's only one scene in the entire film I really like, the forest scene with Magneto's family. That's really the only reason I wouldn't give the film an F. You thought Mcavoy was bad? He was good in First Class, great in Days of Future Past and unmemorable in Apocalypse, imo.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Apr 26, 2017 22:29:05 GMT
Um, that's supposed to be his character from now until he becomes Patrick Stewart. He takes a backseat for his students to shine. If you noticed, Xavier is very different than the wonderfully realized heroine addict that he was in Days of Future Past. He's grown up a lot and I'm glad we got to see it but... we have to move on. And the movie seems to know this.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Apr 26, 2017 22:31:19 GMT
Please, show me examples of bad effects and tell me how they were distractingly bad like the CGI Princess Leia in Rogue One.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Apr 26, 2017 22:53:44 GMT
Um, that's supposed to be his character from now until he becomes Patrick Stewart. He takes a backseat for his students to shine. If you noticed, Xavier is very different than the wonderfully realized heroine addict that he was in Days of Future Past. He's grown up a lot and I'm glad we got to see it but... we have to move on. And the movie seems to know this. He doesn't really take the backseat. Xavier gets the most screentime out of any character.
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on May 1, 2017 6:33:50 GMT
Not really. Besides, screen time doesn't necessary mean he's going to stand out. X-23 would be the hot ticket in Logan if she could speak and slice and dice throughout the whole movie. But the filmmakers wisely kept her mouth shut... because it's a Logan movie. However, she's in it more than Xavier.
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