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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 13:56:55 GMT
So what European country do you think made the best movies in the 1930s, 1940s,1950s and 1960s ?
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Post by rick220 on Mar 6, 2017 15:01:38 GMT
I'm glad you've brought Europe up.
As to who are best, that is probably a matter of personal taste, because how are you going to pick favorites from people like Renoir, Rossellini, Dreyer, Bergman, Shepitko, Bunuel, Wajda, Zeman, etc?
I think probably Italian and French cinema will be the most popular choices, also because they are most aligned with American cinema, but like mentioned above, Denmark, Spain, Sweden, Poland, the USSR, etc. are valid choices as well.
What would you say?
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Post by Richard Kimble on Mar 6, 2017 15:14:45 GMT
Is this a competition?
Is there wagering?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 15:41:01 GMT
I haven`t really seen enough European classic movies that i feel i can actually answer it. I have really only seen Norwegian and Swedish movies from those decades i wrote. And of course British so i think i am going to say British. Most of the classic movies i have seen are American. I really should watch a bit more classic European movies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 15:42:53 GMT
Is this a competition? Is there wagering? If you are not going to reply than stay away from the thread.
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Post by snsurone on Mar 6, 2017 16:16:12 GMT
I recommend the book "Classics of the Foreign Film". It's great at analyzing movies from various countries, 1919-1961.
It's out of print, but I'm sure you can find it on Amazon.com.
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Post by london777 on Mar 6, 2017 17:20:45 GMT
Fascism, Stalinism and WWII limited, and in some cases destroyed, the film industries in many countries.
France somehow continued to produce masterpieces like "Les enfants du Paradis"(1945) while under Nazi control. There is an excellent movie by Bertrand Tavernier called "Safe Conduct" (2002) set in that situation. You can buy it new for a few dollars. Recommended.
The Russian industry only got going again with "The Cranes are Flying" (1957). This was a great movie, but made in a rather old-fashioned "constructivist" style because its makers had to hark back to pre-clampdown models as examples to follow. I think "Ballad of a Soldier" (1959) was a more modern movie and the first to be internationally popular.
Spanish cinema only kicked off once fascist control started weakening in the late '60s and really flowered with the onset of democracy in the late '70s.
Some excellent Polish films were made under communism after WWII by Andrej Wajda and others, but makers had a lot more freedom than in the USSR and were clever at dodging censorship.
The innovative period of Italian cinema was the social realist wave immediately after WWII, but they also established a healthy industry which enabled the likes of Antonioni and Fellini to flourish later.
Sweden was neutral and relatively affluent during WWII so it could have enjoyed a booming industry for home and export consumption but it only really picked up with Ingmar Bergman after the war.
Britain was not occupied during WWII, and though desperately impoverished by the war effort, the film industry was supported for reasons of morale. Naturally there is a certain amount of flag-waving and truckloads of stiff upper lips, but I think it is creditable how restrained the propaganda aspects were compared with other nations in the conflict. The mood is more of quiet stoicism even in war moves like "The Way to the Stars" (1945).
Because the UK industry had not ground to a halt during the war its people were ready to rock as soon as peace arrived. And they produced many great films in the late 1940s, principally from directors like Powell & Pressburger, David Lean, Carol Reed and Robert Hamer. Once we reach the 1950s, the UK is still producing some good films, but loses its distinctiveness trying to imitate US commercial success. The Bond franchise and Hammer horrors did manage to be both quirkily British and profitable but hardly qualify as great movies. In the sixties new "kitchen sink" and "new wave" films appeared influenced by the Italian and French examples of a few years earlier. These included some fine films but none which matched the brilliance of the immediately Post-War movies.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2017 17:22:04 GMT
So what European country do you think made the best movies in the 1930s, 1940s,1950s and 1960s ? France. What do you think?
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Post by london777 on Mar 6, 2017 17:32:02 GMT
So what European country do you think made the best movies in the 1930s, 1940s,1950s and 1960s ? France. What do you think? For consistent quality, variety, and innovation through all four decades I would have to agree with you. Only the US produced more fine movies, and in a greater range of genres, but the US home- and English-speaking market is much greater and the percentage of good films to dross is lower in France.
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Post by neurosturgeon on Mar 6, 2017 17:51:06 GMT
I think that the European film industry, with the film exception of English-speaking Great Britain, was most competitive during the silent era. The language barrier was not an issue.
The technical expertise of the Germans made for some excellent photography and lighting. The rise of Hitler sent many of these artists to England and the U.S. in the 1930's.
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Post by london777 on Mar 6, 2017 17:57:31 GMT
... most competitive during the silent era. The language barrier was not an issue. The rise of Hitler sent many of these artists to England and the U.S. in the 1930's. Two great points.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 4:09:31 GMT
France. What do you think? For consistent quality, variety, and innovation through all four decades I would have to agree with you. Only the US produced more fine movies, and in a greater range of genres, but the US home- and English-speaking market is much greater and the percentage of good films to dross is lower than in France. So, you feel that France has more movies of a lesser quality than those from America?
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Post by manfromplanetx on Mar 7, 2017 5:53:32 GMT
The Russian industry only got going again with "The Cranes are Flying" (1957). This was a great movie, but made in a rather old-fashioned "constructivist" style because its makers had to hark back to pre-clampdown models as examples to follow. I think "Ballad of a Soldier" (1959) was a more modern movie and the first to be internationally popular. ? Despite the extreme political climate many exceptional Russian drama, musical, romance, comedy films are to be found throughout all of these decades, Just one example from these four eminent directors for recommendation, from many excellent choices available for each decade, from my collection... Schaste , Happiness (1935) Aleksandr Medvedkin, Odnazhdy nochyu, Dark Is The Night (1945) Boris Barnet, Karnavalnaya noch, Carnival Night (1956) Eldar Ryazanov, 9 dney odnogo goda , Nine Days Of One Year 1962) Mikhail Romm The Russian industry was going strong well before The Cranes Are Flying (1957), many fine films from the early, mid and late 50s are worth a mention, here are just are two from 56 Sorok pervyy, The Forty-First (1956) was the directorial debut of Grigori Chukhrai a film about the Russian Civil War which tells the story of a tragic romance between a female sniper of the Red Army and an officer of the White Army it attracted 25.1 million viewers in the Soviet Union and won much recognition on the International film festival circuit. Karnavalnaya noch (1956) is a highly entertaining musical, as well as a biting satire on the stuffy old regime, 48.64 million tickets sold!, both films were successfully released internationally and both still attract and captivate an appreciative audience..
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Post by manfromplanetx on Mar 7, 2017 7:27:15 GMT
All European Countries in the sixties !!!!! A cross section of some highly Recommended favourites from my collection
Bulgaria Kradetzat na praskovi , The Peach Thief (1964) Directed by Vulo Radev
Poland Matka Joanna od aniolów , Mother Joan Of The Angels (1961) Directed By Jerzy Kawalerowicz
Hungary A tanú , The Witness (1969) Directed by Péter Bacsó
Czechoslovakia Limonádový Joe aneb Konská opera , Lemonade Joe (1964) Directed by Oldrich Lipský
Yugoslavia Skupljaci perja , I Even Met Happy Gypsies (1967) Directed by Aleksandar Petrovic
East Germany Die Söhne der großen Bärin , The Sons Of Great Bear (1966) Directed by Josef Mach
Russia Polustanok , Whistle Stop (1963) Directed by Boris Barnet
France Que la bête meure , This Man Must Die (1969) Directed by Claude Chabrol
England The Caretaker (1963) Directed by Clive Donner
Sweden Käre John , Dear John (1964) Directed by Lars-Magnus Lindgren
all I have time for now ... Happy Classic European Film Viewing...
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Post by poelzig on Mar 7, 2017 8:04:23 GMT
The UK and it's not even close.
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Post by rick220 on Mar 7, 2017 8:55:09 GMT
All European Countries in the sixties !!!!! A cross section of some highly Recommended favourites from my collection Romania Kradetzat na praskovi , The Peach Thief (1964) Directed by Vulo Radev
Poland Matka Joanna od aniolów , Mother Joan Of The Angels (1961) Directed By Jerzy Kawalerowicz
Hungary A tanú , The Witness (1969) Directed by Péter Bacsó Czechoslovakia Limonádový Joe aneb Konská opera , Lemonade Joe (1964) Directed by Oldrich Lipský Yugoslavia Skupljaci perja , I Even Met Happy Gypsies (1967) Directed by Aleksandar Petrovic East Germany Die Söhne der großen Bärin , The Sons Of Great Bear (1966) Directed by Josef Mach Russia Polustanok , Whistle Stop (1963) Directed by Boris Barnet France Que la bête meure , This Man Must Die (1969) Directed by Claude Chabrol England The Caretaker (1963) Directed by Clive Donner Sweden Käre John , Dear John (1964) Directed by Lars-Magnus Lindgren all I have time for now ... Happy Classic European Film Viewing... Great list, how about before 1960?
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Post by london777 on Mar 7, 2017 13:13:17 GMT
For consistent quality, variety, and innovation through all four decades I would have to agree with you. Only the US produced more fine movies, and in a greater range of genres, but the US home- and English-speaking market is much greater and the percentage of good films to dross is lower in France. So, you feel that France has more movies of a lesser quality than those from America? Oops! My bad! I think the opposite, and have now edited my post as above. Thanks for spotting it. Having said that, we have to remember that in the English-speaking world we are not much exposed to the really bad French films that get made, whereas mounds of American rubbish turns up on "straight to DVD" and minor TV channels. Where I live in the Caribbean I was starved of movies, and sometimes took a chance on unknown films from street vendors just because I recognized an established star, director or even studio. I gave up doing it because because 98% were total rubbish. It was new to me how once- (or even still-)top rank actors could lower themselves for a few bucks.
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Post by london777 on Mar 7, 2017 13:21:36 GMT
The Russian industry only got going again with "The Cranes are Flying" (1957). This was a great movie, but made in a rather old-fashioned "constructivist" style because its makers had to hark back to pre-clampdown models as examples to follow. I think "Ballad of a Soldier" (1959) was a more modern movie and the first to be internationally popular. ? Despite the extreme political climate many exceptional Russian drama, musical, romance, comedy films are to be found throughout all of these decades, Great post, planetx! Of course mine was a crude scatter-gun post, just to try a get a conversation going, and you responded nobly. Sadly, at my age and in my location I will never get to see some of those earlier Russian movies you recommend.
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Post by manfromplanetx on Mar 7, 2017 23:25:33 GMT
? Despite the extreme political climate many exceptional Russian drama, musical, romance, comedy films are to be found throughout all of these decades, Great post, planetx! Of course mine was a crude scatter-gun post, just to try a get a conversation going, and you responded nobly. Sadly, at my age and in my location I will never get to see some of those earlier Russian movies you recommend. Hello there london777 .. Thanks for your thoughtful reply and many thanks for your interesting and insightful contribution on this European film conversation As a great fan of Russian cinema I felt that I had to make mention on the point which you raised here about The Cranes... and also following on from another of your posts recently about the film "kick starting" the Russian film Industry. Location is no longer an issue for us with our multi region player. Living remotely in country Australia I find and source all my DVDs from the UK USA and Europe. A collector by nature our home library has grown to a considerable size but here is where age certainly is becoming a worrying factor. We watch a film every evening and with new films coming in regularly I had this disturbing thought the other day, we need over 5 years of nights just to view the pick of top quality re-watches available and waiting on our shelves! Happy Viewing to You...
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Post by manfromplanetx on Mar 8, 2017 2:33:14 GMT
All European Countries in the sixties !!!!! A cross section of some highly Recommended favourites from my collection Great list, how about before 1960? Hello there rick220... it's great to meet another Classic European Film enthusiast Some excellent films I can recommend from my collection from the fifties, France probably tops for number of high quality films but there are these and other great films to be found from all these European countries... Norway De dødes tjern , Lake Of The Dead (1958 Directed by Kåre Bergstrøm Finland Tuntematon sotilas , The Unknown Soldier (1955) Directed by Edvin Laine Greece I Agni tou limaniou , Agnes of the Port (1952) Directed by Yorgos Tzavellas Spain Abismos de pasión , Wuthering Heights (1953) Directed by Luis Buñuel Italy Il grido (1957) Directed by Michelangelo Antonioni Bulgaria Zemya , Earth (1957) Directed by Zahari Zhandov Denmark Ordet (1955) Directed by Carl Theodor Dreyer Sweden Flicka och hyacinter , Girl with Hyacinths (1950) Directed by Hasse Ekman Hungary Körhinta , Merry-Go-Round (1955) Directed by Zoltán Fábri Yugoslavia Volca noc , Wolf's Night (1955) Directed by France Stiglic Russia Dom, v kotorom ya zhivu , The House I Live In (1957) Directed by Lev Kulidzhanov, Yakov Segel Poland Ostatni dzien lata , The last Day Of Summer (1958) Directed by Tadeusz Konwicki France Casque d'Or , Golden Marie (1952) Directed by Jacques Becker Czechoslovakia Cesta do praveku , A Journey to the Beginning of Time (1955) Karel Zeman England The Importance Of Being Ernest (1952) Directed by Anthony Asquith
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