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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2017 12:35:56 GMT
One other problem that's becoming more and more apparent is....well, the DC Heroes just aren't as terribly interesting as the Marvel ones are. DC's schtick is that most of their lead heroes are more archetypes than full-on characters, that's why for so long they needed their villains to be the real stars of the show. It was to make up for the hero being more or less this flawless archetype. Superman and Batman, frequently outshone by their villains. WW, while heralded as some great triumph for women, is also in the same vein. She was never portrayed as being in the wrong so much as her merely being naive and she was never in any real danger the whole movie because the writers were too afraid to put her in real danger. Marvel on the other hand, has made it their raison d'etre to give us nothing BUT flawed human characters. Even the closest they have to a "flawless" hero in Cap, they still give him conflict and flaws. DC got away with it in prior movies because there simply was no alternative. But now they're competing with the MCU directly and the inherent flaws in their lead characters is becoming more and more obvious.
Ahhh. I think the same could be said about ‘Spider-Man’ with the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, the Lizard, Black Cat, Venom, Shocker, Electro, Mysterio, Vulture, Sandman, Scorpion, Kraven the Hunter etc and going back to the early issues by Stan Lee it was always Spider-Man vs a different villain each issue and a lot of fans bought them to see their favourite villains. The thing about Batman and Spider Man in particular is they have some of the most popular and well known supervillains in comic books so there are going to be a percentage of people who will buy their comic books to see their favourite villains and a hero needs to have good villains who pose a significant threat to them or other people to push them to the limits ‘cause nobody wants to read a comic book about a superhero that defeats a common bank robber in the first 5 pages and that is the end of the story.
Some people like villains more than heroes and Freddy Krueger, Jason Vorhees, Chucky, Leatherface, Michael Myers, Pinhead, Dracula, Frankenstein etc are all icons in the Horror Genre and have had multiple movies and when people watch 'A Nightmare On Elm Street' and 'Friday the 13th' they mostly watch them to see Freddy and Jason kill people. It is just a shame the superhero movie genre hasn't been able to come up with villains as popular as some of them 'cause comic books are known for having some of the most popular villains of all time. That being said, I don't think most of DC's superheroes are overshadowed by their villains. The majority of people I know who read Supergirl, Birds of Prey, Green Arrow, Batgirl, Nightwing, Teen Titans, Batwoman, Red Hood and the Outlaws, Martian Manhunter, JSA, Black Canary, Gen 13, Wildcats, Hawkman, the Legion of Superheroes, Catwoman etc series over the years didn't read them for their villains and in the current Detective Comics: Rebirth the full focus is on the Bat Family with the Spoiler, Red Robin, Orphan, Batwoman, Clayface and Batwing and all the reviews are talking about the Spoiler, Clayface and Batwoman.  |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 12:38:45 GMT
One other problem that's becoming more and more apparent is....well, the DC Heroes just aren't as terribly interesting as the Marvel ones are. DC's schtick is that most of their lead heroes are more archetypes than full-on characters, that's why for so long they needed their villains to be the real stars of the show. It was to make up for the hero being more or less this flawless archetype. Superman and Batman, frequently outshone by their villains. WW, while heralded as some great triumph for women, is also in the same vein. She was never portrayed as being in the wrong so much as her merely being naive and she was never in any real danger the whole movie because the writers were too afraid to put her in real danger. Marvel on the other hand, has made it their raison d'etre to give us nothing BUT flawed human characters. Even the closest they have to a "flawless" hero in Cap, they still give him conflict and flaws. DC got away with it in prior movies because there simply was no alternative. But now they're competing with the MCU directly and the inherent flaws in their lead characters is becoming more and more obvious.
Ahhh. I think the same could be said about ‘Spider-Man’ with the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, the Lizard, Black Cat, Venom, Shocker, Electro, Mysterio, Vulture, Sandman, Scorpion, Kraven the Hunter etc and going back to the early issues by Stan Lee it was always Spider-Man vs a different villain each issue and a lot of fans bought them to see their favourite villains. Yeah, but what made Spider-Man such a revolutionary character was that in spite of all that...the story never forgot that it was about Peter and his non-super problems. In a way, he was like the first superhero deconstruction. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 12:22:45 GMT
Ahhh. I think the same could be said about ‘Spider-Man’ with the Green Goblin, Doctor Octopus, the Lizard, Black Cat, Venom, Shocker, Electro, Mysterio, Vulture, Sandman, Scorpion, Kraven the Hunter etc and going back to the early issues by Stan Lee it was always Spider-Man vs a different villain each issue and a lot of fans bought them to see their favourite villains. Yeah, but what made Spider-Man such a revolutionary character was that in spite of all that...the story never forgot that it was about Peter and his non-super problems. In a way, he was like the first superhero deconstruction.  |
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Post by darkpast on Mar 24, 2019 0:49:51 GMT
Aquaman, Shazam!, and WW2. The first two won't matter at all, and the last one won't be enough. I'm not convinced it will even be particularly good. It needs to majorly step up from the first one. Aquaman made over a billion and Shazam! is getting great reviews.
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Post by NormanClature on Mar 24, 2019 12:21:01 GMT
The first two won't matter at all, and the last one won't be enough. I'm not convinced it will even be particularly good. It needs to majorly step up from the first one. Aquaman made over a billion and Shazam! is getting great reviews. Aquaman was pretty meh though." Shazam!" sounds as though it might be the first good DCU movie. They finally went full MCU and it looks like paying off!
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