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Post by darkpast on Dec 9, 2017 6:19:39 GMT
i think they should keep it separate, but have occasional crossovers Can I ask what you mean by that. Do they exist in the same world like me and my parents but we only have dinner together twice a month and other than that we're separate. Or do you mean I occasionally walk through my closet into Narnia to crossover with people in some completely different reality? MCU movies won't affect XMU movies storylines and vice versa, but they can occasionally teamup just for a fun oneoff
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 9, 2017 6:39:35 GMT
Can I ask what you mean by that. Do they exist in the same world like me and my parents but we only have dinner together twice a month and other than that we're separate. Or do you mean I occasionally walk through my closet into Narnia to crossover with people in some completely different reality? MCU movies won't affect XMU movies storylines and vice versa, but they can occasionally teamup just for a fun oneoff Ok, I think I get it. If you're saying they operate as two separate realities, then they wouldn't do a crossover. Marvel just isn't going to operate like that. Now if it's like Guardians of the Galaxy, where they're just off somewhere else, but its' clear they're still in the same reality, then yes.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 9, 2017 6:42:10 GMT
MCU movies won't affect XMU movies storylines and vice versa, but they can occasionally teamup just for a fun oneoff Ok, I think I get it. If you're saying they operate as two separate realities, then they wouldn't do a crossover. Marvel just isn't going to operate like that. Now if it's like Guardians of the Galaxy, where they're just off somewhere else, but its' clear they're still in the same reality, then yes. Maybe there is a multiverse in Marvelland?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 9, 2017 6:54:05 GMT
Ok, I think I get it. If you're saying they operate as two separate realities, then they wouldn't do a crossover. Marvel just isn't going to operate like that. Now if it's like Guardians of the Galaxy, where they're just off somewhere else, but its' clear they're still in the same reality, then yes. Maybe there is a multiverse in Marvelland? I'd honestly doubt it. Here's the problem with the multiverse thing. It's a lazy excuse. It's saying you're not going to bother with continuity, and then just bring characters together when you want to. It's not clever, it's just lazy. And Marvel isn't lazy.
What Marvel has done so far is establish different layers of one reality, but not a multiverse in the sense of alternate realities.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 9, 2017 9:28:05 GMT
Except they did help design it. Jeph Loeb was producer on them. And the DC shows play with the multiverse, why not Marvel. A: . It's not a part of their plan and they aren't using whatever doom movie is being produced. It's not even a valid discussion. It's not happening.
And B: I don't give a shit what DC does
I said the show, not the Doom.
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Post by Riddick on Dec 9, 2017 10:10:09 GMT
I don't care if they are part of the MCU. Except Cable, Deadpool and Wolverine, I find the X-Men really boring.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 9, 2017 10:14:06 GMT
It depends on how they approach it.
Personally I think the current state of the MCU doesn't need the X-MEN, so I rather have Disney let them wrap up the current X-Men film series before they reboot it.
Deadpool can easily exist in his own little world. Not everything needs to be connected.
The Fantastic Four are the only thing that should be rebooted in the MCU. Fox made what, like 3 films? And they're either terrible or mediocre at best. So yeah I have no problem with Marvel Studios trying their hand at it.
As for the X-Men themselves, it could go either way, but if Disney really paying up to 70billion I can't see them wanting to damage the xmen brand. Especially after paying that much.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 12:38:36 GMT
Logan only got it's reception from being Jackman's Swan Song and because they killed him and Xavier, meaning it was a one-shot deal. Legion is the typical pretentious nonsense, ashamed of its origins. We won't be worse off without it. Why do you CONSTANTLY claim anything that isn't in the mcu is only acclaimed or praised by critics or highly successful because of something trivial? Because in this case, it's true.
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Post by scabab on Dec 9, 2017 13:52:44 GMT
Why do you CONSTANTLY claim anything that isn't in the mcu is only acclaimed or praised by critics or highly successful because of something trivial? Because in this case, it's true. No it isn't, it was already pointed that of the many reasons that were actually given for why Logan was highly praised, none of them were due to it being Hugh Jackman's final time playing the character and you even said that critics never actually said it. So if nobody said it then it's not true, that was just something you came out with as an excuse. To which Poelzig has a point. Wonder Woman - It was because she was a woman. Spider-man​ 2 - Nostalgia and no competition. X-men 2 - Nostalgia and no competition. The Dark Knight - It was because Heath Ledger died. You're always trying to find some excuse for these other movies to put the MCU on a pedestal. Even the characters, you try to find some excuse when it comes to the critical acclaim of Darth Vader and Hans Gruber to try and bring them down to the MCU's level.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 14:33:23 GMT
Because in this case, it's true. No it isn't, it was already pointed that of the many reasons that were actually given for why Logan was highly praised, none of them were due to it being Hugh Jackman's final time playing the character and you even said that critics never actually said it. So if nobody said it then it's not true, that was just something you came out with as an excuse. To which Poelzig has a point. Wonder Woman - It was because she was a woman. Spider-man​ 2 - Nostalgia and no competition. X-men 2 - Nostalgia and no competition. The Dark Knight - It was because Heath Ledger died. You're always trying to find some excuse for these other movies to put the MCU on a pedestal. Even the characters, you try to find some excuse when it comes to the critical acclaim of Darth Vader and Hans Gruber to try and bring them down to the MCU's level. Actually, it's because those other movies are put on a pedestal and anytime the MCU gets brought up it's merely to insult it and anyone who enjoys it as if there are no redeeming qualities. I'm merely playing by their rules and seeing how much they enjoy it rather than just leave us in peace.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2017 14:48:06 GMT
Sammy, stop feeding the mod. Its no use. He is a DC fanboy and will never give in.
Waste of time and energy
#teamcolden
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 9, 2017 15:37:12 GMT
Because in this case, it's true. No it isn't, it was already pointed that of the many reasons that were actually given for why Logan was highly praised, none of them were due to it being Hugh Jackman's final time playing the character and you even said that critics never actually said it. So if nobody said it then it's not true, that was just something you came out with as an excuse. To which Poelzig has a point. Wonder Woman - It was because she was a woman. Spider-man​ 2 - Nostalgia and no competition. X-men 2 - Nostalgia and no competition. The Dark Knight - It was because Heath Ledger died. You're always trying to find some excuse for these other movies to put the MCU on a pedestal. Even the characters, you try to find some excuse when it comes to the critical acclaim of Darth Vader and Hans Gruber to try and bring them down to the MCU's level. The thing about Logan and Deadpool is they are good, but they also aren't going anywhere. They were good, but the beauty of the MCU is that each film leaves me satisfied in three ways, (the film itself, how it advanced the previous films, and leaving me wanting more and wondering where it might lead). I only get 1/3rd of that out of Logan and Deadpool. Yeah there will be a sequel to Deadpool and I'm sure it will be fun, but unlike the idea of ragnarok, or planet hulk, or the infinity gems, there's nothing to get invested in and look forward to, other than to simply have fun when it comes out.
Does that make sense?
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Post by charzhino on Dec 9, 2017 15:50:04 GMT
No it isn't, it was already pointed that of the many reasons that were actually given for why Logan was highly praised, none of them were due to it being Hugh Jackman's final time playing the character and you even said that critics never actually said it. So if nobody said it then it's not true, that was just something you came out with as an excuse. To which Poelzig has a point. Wonder Woman - It was because she was a woman. Spider-man​ 2 - Nostalgia and no competition. X-men 2 - Nostalgia and no competition. The Dark Knight - It was because Heath Ledger died. You're always trying to find some excuse for these other movies to put the MCU on a pedestal. Even the characters, you try to find some excuse when it comes to the critical acclaim of Darth Vader and Hans Gruber to try and bring them down to the MCU's level. The thing about Logan and Deadpool is they are good, but they also aren't going anywhere. They were good, but the beauty of the MCU is that each film leaves me satisfied in three ways, (the film itself, how it advanced the previous films, and leaving me wanting more and wondering where it might lead). I only get 1/3rd of that out of Logan and Deadpool. Yeah there will be a sequel to Deadpool and I'm sure it will be fun, but unlike the idea of ragnarok, or planet hulk, or the infinity gems, there's nothing to get invested in and look forward to, other than to simply have fun when it comes out.
Does that make sense?
Why do you give so much importance to a continuing series? Sure having a firm direction and consistency in the overarching story is a good commodity to have, but enjoying a movie like Logan as movies are classicaly meant to be, a standalone entity, is for me anyway more satisfying than a TV filler type episode's.
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Post by Riddick on Dec 9, 2017 16:04:59 GMT
Wow. Some seems to be really obssessed, with the MCU movies. I mean like nearly any superhero movies (except some movies from XCU, MCU and DCEU. But they are more important things on this world, than movies.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 9, 2017 16:09:12 GMT
The thing about Logan and Deadpool is they are good, but they also aren't going anywhere. They were good, but the beauty of the MCU is that each film leaves me satisfied in three ways, (the film itself, how it advanced the previous films, and leaving me wanting more and wondering where it might lead). I only get 1/3rd of that out of Logan and Deadpool. Yeah there will be a sequel to Deadpool and I'm sure it will be fun, but unlike the idea of ragnarok, or planet hulk, or the infinity gems, there's nothing to get invested in and look forward to, other than to simply have fun when it comes out.
Does that make sense?
Why do you give so much importance to a continuing series? Sure having a firm direction and consistency in the overarching story is a good commodity to have, but enjoying a movie like Logan as movies are classicaly meant to be, a standalone entity, is for me anyway more satisfying than a TV filler type episode's. I'm glad you asked actually. Thank you. It's because it's adds other layers. It's moving beyond the classic standalone and weaving threads that have already been developed together, leaving you with a since of direction and wonder, on top of making a fun enjoyable film or even a truly great one.
The classic way to make sequels, was to never have a plan. You just write the next movie when you get to it, and without that vision, series always fizzle out. What's going on here, is there is a plan, and you can feel it, you can see it all moving in a certain direction. There's more to it than just the classic standalone.
Now, I love standalone films, like maybe V For Vendetta for instance. That's all its supposed to be, and that's great! But overall this genre is meant to be about more than being classic standalones.
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Post by scabab on Dec 9, 2017 16:14:28 GMT
Actually, it's because those other movies are put on a pedestal and anytime the MCU gets brought up it's merely to insult it and anyone who enjoys it as if there are no redeeming qualities. I'm merely playing by their rules and seeing how much they enjoy it rather than just leave us in peace. What rules? People don't keep making excuses for why Civil War or The Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy got high praise like what you do with non MCU movies and that whole "artificial boosters" thing you started. It's like your nervous of there being any possible competition or something. Those movies I mentioned are considered some of the best superhero movies, particularly Logan and The Dark Knight so naturally they would be on a pedestal.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 9, 2017 17:03:20 GMT
What rules? People don't keep making excuses for why Civil War or The Avengers or Guardians of the Galaxy got high praise like what you do with non MCU movies and that whole "artificial boosters" thing you started. No one ever puts them on pedestals either about how "transcendent" they are either. Other way around, considering how defensive Fox and DC fans get. Remember how I told you how there were DC and X-Fans offended that the MCU existed?
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Post by scabab on Dec 10, 2017 3:18:30 GMT
Other way around, considering how defensive Fox and DC fans get. Remember how I told you how there were DC and X-Fans offended that the MCU existed? You're as defensive with the MCU though, more so probably as well as others couple here. Them thinking those movies are top tier. Which they are, doesn't mean they are offended of its existence.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 10, 2017 3:43:32 GMT
You're as defensive with the MCU though, more so probably as well as others couple here. Considering that the MCU has been getting mud slung at it for 10 years now, can you blame me? Yeah, it does. These are the kind of people who won't be satisfied until the ratings for the MCU movies are consecutively 0%.
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Post by scabab on Dec 10, 2017 4:01:46 GMT
They all get mud slung at them, they've had all their specific criticisms for years.
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