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Post by snsurone on Dec 8, 2017 17:22:33 GMT
I have an admittedly vague memory of seeing WWII B-movies which were actually made during that conflict. They were aired on a TV program called THE EARLY SHOW which ran on weekday afternoons.
They definitely were not classics like CASABLANCA; I think they were mostly propaganda that would not pass muster with today's PC, especially in their stereotyped characterizations of Japanese soldiers.
Trouble is, I can't remember the titles of these movies or who starred in them. Can somebody help me here? And are they available on DVD?
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 8, 2017 17:30:45 GMT
Bataan
Back to Bataan
Guadalcanal Diary
A Wing and a Prayer
God is my Co-Pilot
Destination Tokyo (Not B)
Thirty Seconds over Tokyo (Not B)
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Post by mattgarth on Dec 8, 2017 17:40:13 GMT
And adding:
Hitler's Madman First Yank Into Tokyo Wake Island Corregidor Hitler's Children
Desperate Journey A Yank on the Burma Road Flying Tigers Hangman Also Die The Purple V
The Fighting Seabees All Through the Night Sahara The Immortal Sergeant Pilot #5
The Seventh Cross The Story of Dr. Wassel Edge of Darkness Crash Dive Action in the North Atlantic
So Proudly We Hail The North Star Cry Havoc The Purple Heart Objective Burma
Destination Tokyo A Walk in the Sun Pride of the Marines Story of GI Joe Five Graves to Cairo
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Post by twothousandonemark on Dec 8, 2017 17:47:47 GMT
Casablanca
I think its production & release during WWII always cemented its true greatness for me, my #2 all time.
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Post by politicidal on Dec 8, 2017 18:46:12 GMT
The Master Race (1944)
Action in Arabia (1944)
Lifeboat (1944)
China (1943)
China Girl (1942)
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Post by wmcclain on Dec 8, 2017 19:36:27 GMT
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Post by wmcclain on Dec 8, 2017 19:37:34 GMT
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Post by wmcclain on Dec 8, 2017 19:38:37 GMT
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Post by wmcclain on Dec 8, 2017 19:39:54 GMT
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Post by marshamae on Dec 8, 2017 19:56:38 GMT
I think it's in the Fighting Seabees that there is a scene of John Wayne fighting on a beach. The Japanese soldiers coming after him are photographed in such a way as to appear sub human. It was a startling example of the way films could generate enthusiasm for killing .
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 8, 2017 20:11:24 GMT
They Were Expendable, like the already mentioned A Walk in the Sun, were made during the war but came out shortly after it ended. As I noted on the old board, the man They Were Expendable was based on lived around the corner from me in my yoot.
Interesting thing about US war films made during the war, they almost never show a German being killed. Planes are shot down, ships are sunk, but we almost never see a German soldier being killed. Contrast that to all the "Japs" who get mowed down.
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Post by mattgarth on Dec 8, 2017 20:34:23 GMT
They Were Expendable, like the already mentioned A Walk in the Sun, were made during the war but came out shortly after it ended. As I noted on the old board, the man They Were Expendable was based on lived around the corner from me in my yoot. Interesting thing about US war films made during the war, they almost never show a German being killed. Planes are shot down, ships are sunk, but we almost never see a German soldier being killed. Contrast that to all the "Japs" who get mowed down. Well, a few Germans did bite the dust.
FIVE GRAVES TO CAIRO -- Franchot Tone kills Lieut. Peter Van Eyck DESPERATE JOURNEY -- The escaping fliers shoot the pursuing Raymond Massey SAHARA -- Bogie fires back at the German officer who didn't honor the white flag and ... Rick does plug Conrad Veidt at the airport in CASABLANCA
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Post by mikef6 on Dec 8, 2017 20:35:05 GMT
Here are four of my favorites made during the War. I don't think any can be called "B" although they contain similar plots and tropes. All four have top of the heap action directors.
Air Force / Howard Hawks (1943). One of the earliest films – if not THE earliest - from Hollywood to show men in combat in WWII, “Air Force” sets the tone and style and many of the tropes for many a film to come. For modern sensibilities, the demonizing and de-humanization of the enemy may seem excessive. There is copious use of the J-word and many expressions of what treacherous rats America is up against.
Guadalcanal Diary / Lewis Seiler (1943). The battle for the small island of Guadalcanal (and two other islands) in the Solomon Islands northeast of Australia in late 1942 and early 1943 was a significant victory for the U.S. as it effectively stopped southern Japanese expansion and prevented the invasion of Australia. Given the usual Hollywood flag waving war propaganda, what we see seems more factual than usual in these films. There is the usual Stagecoach/Grand Hotel/Bomber Crew mixture of different people: the guy from Brooklyn (William Bendix, ‘natch), a Jewish guy, a naïve kid, the tough but tender sergeant, well, you know the drill. What makes this film stand out is how it shows the Marines going from eager fighters wanting to get into combat through a stage of doubt and fear and then to hardened veterans. One thing that may turn modern viewers off is that GD, more, I think, than any other war time film I have seen (including “Air Force”), delivers the harshest and most frequent racist epithets and stereotypes. Viewers will have to cope with dialog like: “Hey Hook? How do you feel about killing... people?” “Well, it's kill or be killed, ain't it? Besides, those ain't people.”
Back To Bataan / Edward Dmytryk (1945). This is the story of the WWII Resistance movement against the Japanese from their conquest of the Philippines in 1942 through the return of the American army in 1944 – events very close to and in the minds of the film’s first audience. Of course in Hollywood movies, you have to have a White Guy leading the native Filipinos. Here, it is John Wayne. At least, he is not portrayed as an outsider but as a resident of the Islands and already familiar with Filipino history and culture. Anthony Quinn, that generic ethnic, plays the (fictional) grandson of Andrés Bonifacio, who led his army, the Katipunan, in the revolt against Spain in the late 1890s. Again, a caution: the J-word is used about 348 times. Otherwise, an excellent ‘40s action flick that must have registered powerfully with the first home front audiences.
Thirty Seconds Over Tokyo / Mervyn LeRoy (1944). This was one of my father’s favorite movies and one of mine when I was young. Only four months after Pearl Harbor, an Army Air Force commander, Col James “Jimmy” Doolittle, laid a top secret plan to bomb the Japanese mainland. The set-piece at the center is the bombing mission itself. Forced to set the mission in motion early, the bombers take off from an aircraft carrier in bad weather. The Ruptured Duck’s (whose crew the film follows) target is Tokyo. This 20 minute sequence is a spellbinder. There is no music soundtrack. The roar of engines and the shouts of men yelling orders and good luck at each other provide the aural excitement. The bomb run over a Tokyo factory district demonstrates some special effects that still stand up today. To my more experienced eyes, the rear projection effects are more noticeable, but they are much more well done and match the action in the foreground much better than is usually seen in movies of the time.
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 8, 2017 20:46:38 GMT
They Were Expendable, like the already mentioned A Walk in the Sun, were made during the war but came out shortly after it ended. As I noted on the old board, the man They Were Expendable was based on lived around the corner from me in my yoot. Interesting thing about US war films made during the war, they almost never show a German being killed. Planes are shot down, ships are sunk, but we almost never see a German soldier being killed. Contrast that to all the "Japs" who get mowed down. Well, a few Germans did bite the dust.
FIVE GRAVES TO CAIRO -- Franchot Tone kills Lieut. Pater Van Eyck DESPERATE JOURNEY -- The escaping fliers shoot the pursuing Raymond Massey SAHARA -- Bogie fires back at the German officer who didn't honor the white flag and ... Rick does plug Conrad Veidt at the airport in CASABLANCADidn't Robert Taylor kill more "Japs" in the ending of Bataan than in all those films combined? My point is not that it never happened but that it was rare compared to killing Japanese counterparts. This was an intentional policy based on the vilification of Germans in WWI and recognition that about one-third of Americans are of German ancestry.
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Post by mattgarth on Dec 8, 2017 20:53:12 GMT
Well -- if it's mowing down the enemy you want, check out Errol Flynn and his fellow Norwegian villagers decimating the occupying German army in EDGE OF DARKNESS. The opening shot of the reconnaissance plane flying over and surveying the desolate area filled with the carnage of Hun bodies can even rival the BATAAN slaughter at its conclusion.
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 8, 2017 21:01:31 GMT
Haven't seen Edge of Darkness. Do we see German faces, as we do with Veidt in Casablanca? Milestone avoids showing German faces in A Walk in the Sun. We see a half-track with a hand sticking out and we see German soldiers in the farmhouse, but only from behind.
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Post by mattgarth on Dec 8, 2017 21:04:08 GMT
Oh, we see them all right. And Commandant Helmut Dantine, knowing his fate is closing in on him, takes the coward's exit and blows his brains out.
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Post by bravomailer on Dec 8, 2017 21:11:41 GMT
Oh, we see them all right. And Commandant Helmut Dantine, knowing his fate is closing in on him, takes the coward's exit and blows his brains out. I just watched a clip and it seems like the Norwegians do almost all the killing. And Errol Flynn only hits a German with a shovel. Is he playing an American?
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Post by mattgarth on Dec 8, 2017 21:13:38 GMT
Find the clip of what they do to Sixtus the old schoolteacher.
Errol is Norwegian through and through -- you can tell by his accent (John Qualen could not be more authentic).
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 8, 2017 21:15:00 GMT
Many of these movies are actually very good and in some ways more realistic than the "war" movies that are often produced today. BTW, a whole lot of Germans were shown being killed in "Sahara" one of my favorites of this genre.
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