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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 20, 2018 12:15:13 GMT
Lmao Stanton is this site national treasure!
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Post by No Morpho, Only Bánh mì on Aug 20, 2018 13:09:40 GMT
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Aug 20, 2018 17:09:04 GMT
Classic ArArArArch Sanstone
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 20, 2018 18:22:35 GMT
You kidding? I can think of SINGLE movies that are greater cinematic achievements than the entire MCU!
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Post by Deleted on Aug 20, 2018 18:30:28 GMT
It's a palpable force.
The James Bond movies maybe? They have a comparable catalogue of 20 + movies spanning decades, many of them being their own specific sequels (depending on the actor) with world building and long game build up.
The MCU is its own creature. I'm of the opinion that the achievement is worth marveling over (no pun intended) regardless of how one feels about the movies. The build-ups and payoffs are staggering.
Maybe there is one more contender: the Tarantino World. In terms of the number of movies (less), built-in continuity and box office draw and influence, his films have a comparable presence and in my opinion, a seat at the table.
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Post by poelzig on Aug 21, 2018 0:57:33 GMT
Do you mean the enormous number of children and other helpless victims that were abused by people connected to marvel films? You're actually proud of that?!!! Sadly even after it crawled away to stink up less discriminating sites, arf arf 's embarrassing legacy still remains.
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Post by _ on Aug 21, 2018 5:16:07 GMT
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 22, 2018 18:45:31 GMT
Arch Arch Standing Wait, that son of a bitch Arch has a monument to him?!
How do I get one of those?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 22, 2018 19:22:59 GMT
Wait, that son of a bitch Arch has a monument to him?!
How do I get one of those?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Aug 22, 2018 19:40:00 GMT
Wait, that son of a bitch Arch has a monument to him?!
How do I get one of those?
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 3, 2019 0:44:03 GMT
Good times!
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 3, 2019 1:09:52 GMT
Night of the Living Dead is also a major cinematic achievement. It launched an entire subgenre in horror. A genre that is still going strong today! R.I.P George Romero True, but I don't know if what it led to makes it more of an achievement really. I mean yeah it has to be considered but the same film got made whether or not it had any impact. I'm asking more about what they actually did, and 17 films all at high quality, all working together, and then on top of it dominating the entire industry is just more impressive, know what I mean? I don't see how or why A Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. It basically created the Zombie genre. A genre that is still popular to this day. Don't believe me? Look at the countless Movies, Comic Books, Music, Literature, Video Games and TV shows. Dawn of the Dead, it's sequel and honestly a superior film in my opinion, is one of the most influential Horror films out there. Outside of Studios rushing to create their own shared universe I don't see much influence from the MCU. I recently played through the remake of Resident Evil 2 and George A Romero Living Dead films influence is all over the game. So I call bullshit on MCU being a bigger achievement over The living Dead films. |
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Post by hobowar on Feb 3, 2019 1:42:05 GMT
Interesting question (in my opinion); Would you consider movies based on true stories to one cinematic universe? Like is Goodfellas and Raging Bull part of the same universe?
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 3, 2019 1:47:21 GMT
True, but I don't know if what it led to makes it more of an achievement really. I mean yeah it has to be considered but the same film got made whether or not it had any impact. I'm asking more about what they actually did, and 17 films all at high quality, all working together, and then on top of it dominating the entire industry is just more impressive, know what I mean? I don't see how or why A Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. It basically created the Zombie genre. A genre that is still popular to this day. Don't believe me? Look at the countless Movies, Comic Books, Music, Literature, Video Games and TV shows. Dawn of the Dead, it's sequel and honestly a superior film in my opinion, is one of the most influential Horror films out there. Outside of Studios rushing to create their own shared universe I don't see much influence from the MCU. I recently played through the remake of Resident Evil 2 and George A Romero Living Dead films influence is all over the game. So I call bullshit on MCU being a bigger achievement over The living Dead films. ! What are you doing, lazing about all day, not replying to these posts directed at you? You’d better respond to our kindly moderator! You know, he could ban you if you don’t answer him! |
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Post by _ on Feb 3, 2019 1:55:19 GMT
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 6, 2019 14:44:13 GMT
Star Wars
James Bond
Universal Monsters
Those are the three I can think of. I can’t agree with single movies or even trilogies. You can’t really compare those to a massively built universe such as the MCU. I don’t believe anything will ever top Star Wars though.
I know a lot of people don’t like the MCU, and I completely understand why, but to deny how impressive an accomplishment it’s been so far is just coming from a place of bias. You don’t like it so you don’t want to give it credit. I’m not a fan of the James Bond movies. I used to be when I was younger but they just don’t hold my attention anymore, not even the ones I liked growing up. But I would never pretend like their popularity and longevity is non-existent.
I also have to disagree that a film must be talked about for years to come to be a great cinematic achievement. I’ve discussed films with people from all walks of life and I can easily say I’ve never once had a conversation with anybody about Gone with the Wind, yet I’ve discussed Super Mario Bros a few times. I’m more likely to get someone to have a conversation with me about Batman & Robin than Eternal Sunshine of the Spotless Mind, doesn’t mean it’s the superior film.
And about comparing single movies, if we did that, then pretty much every series aside from The Godfather would be wiped from the “scoreboard”. Citizen Kane, Psycho, Wizard of Oz, Taxi Driver, Casablanca, The Shining, Shawshank Redemption, Pulp Fiction, Apocalypse Now, Schindler’s List, Chinatown. We wouldn’t be able to mention a blockbuster series in the same breath as any of those. Can you truly say that Indiana Jones or Jurassic Park is better than any of those films? Unlikely. But I can tell you right now if someone told me I could only watch Citizen Kane or Raiders every day for the rest of my life, you better believe I’m choosing Raiders.
Also, someone mentioned that without Superman that the MCU wouldn’t exist. That’s true. But Star Wars wouldn’t exist without The Hidden Fortress. Does that make The Hidden Fortress the greatest cinematic achievement of all time because it inspired the most popular film series of all time? Or possibly the 1936 Flash Gordon? If you look up Alan Ladd in the movie ‘China’ he is the spitting image of Indy and his character’s name is even David Jones.. surely that would make that film a much larger achievement than Raiders of the Lost Ark since it was directly inspired by it.
My point being is that this shouldn’t be a conversation about the “best” movies. It’s about the impact and epic scope of these films. Star Wars doesn’t even need explaining, James Bond has been a popular franchise for over 50 years, and Universal Monsters created the crossover film with Frankenstein Meets the Wolf Man.
Now the MCU designed an entire cinematic universe including movies and TV shows all interconnected. They didn’t just take one comic and bring it to life in a significant way like Raimi’s Spider-Man... they took the entirety of Marvel comics and turned it into a consistent franchise with three movies a year and event films that make over a billion dollars. They made a 22 (!) movie arc. They essentially made an entire season of a serialized TV show into a decade long blockbuster franchise. There is just no way to deny how mother fucking impressive that is whether you like them or not.
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Post by Salzmank on Feb 6, 2019 14:59:50 GMT
^^The problem is, Grabthar's Hammer, that Archie’s topic was not about how impressive or how “impactful” on modern filmmaking the MCU is. The topic is about “best”: it’s about, in Archie’s opinion, nothing else being a greater cinematic achievement than the MCU. And I don’t think that’s a defensible argument. A brief comment on another point you raised: I think it depends on the people you’re talking to. As a classic movie buff, I often talk to people about Gone with the Wind, Citizen Kane, and Psycho, among other—far more often than I talk about the MCU, in fact. |
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 6, 2019 15:29:33 GMT
True, but I don't know if what it led to makes it more of an achievement really. I mean yeah it has to be considered but the same film got made whether or not it had any impact. I'm asking more about what they actually did, and 17 films all at high quality, all working together, and then on top of it dominating the entire industry is just more impressive, know what I mean? I don't see how or why A Night of the Living Dead doesn't count. It basically created the Zombie genre. A genre that is still popular to this day. Don't believe me? Look at the countless Movies, Comic Books, Music, Literature, Video Games and TV shows. Dawn of the Dead, it's sequel and honestly a superior film in my opinion, is one of the most influential Horror films out there. Outside of Studios rushing to create their own shared universe I don't see much influence from the MCU. I recently played through the remake of Resident Evil 2 and George A Romero Living Dead films influence is all over the game. So I call bullshit on MCU being a bigger achievement over The living Dead films. It’s honestly difficult to judge cinematic achievement. It depends on how we’re all looking at it. If someone considers it to be the “best” films than blockbusters wouldn’t even make the cut. If we’re talking about impact on popular culture than Star Wars will always win and stuff like Gone with the Wind doesn’t make it into the conversation. And in response to The Living Dead films being a bigger achievement because of all that they’ve inspired, then technically the first film ever made is the biggest cinematic achievement of all time and nothing beyond that is worth discussing. Then if we were to strictly talk superhero film accomplishments than Mask of Zorro is the greatest cinematic achievement of that genre. And then we’d have to consider Batman 66 as the greatest achievement in comic book films. In my opinion, some of the movies that would be considered in relation to the MCU would be Star Wars, James Bond, Universal Monsters, Star Trek, X-Men, DCEU, Wizarding World, Fast and Furious, Pixar, LOTR, Planet of the Apes, Friday the 13th, Halloween, Nightmare on Elm Street, and possibly Transformers. But that’s just like... my opinion man. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Feb 6, 2019 15:32:54 GMT
^^The problem is, Grabthar's Hammer , that Archie’s topic was not about how impressive or how “impactful” on modern filmmaking the MCU is. The topic is about “best”: it’s about, in Archie’s opinion, nothing else being a greater cinematic achievement than the MCU. And I don’t think that’s a defensible argument. A brief comment on another point you raised: I think it depends on the people you’re talking to. As a classic movie buff, I often talk to people about Gone with the Wind, Citizen Kane, and Psycho, among other—far more often than I talk about the MCU, in fact. But Salzmank, that wasn't what the Op said;
"I'd like to hear any thoughts on what would be considered a bigger accomplishment. The resume of the MCU is that of a 22 solid film run that has achieved consistent results, raised it's box office value, established global brand trust, earned the purchasing eye of Disney, produced at least a few of the very best films in the genre, become the largest film study in Hollywood, and has become an influence on the entire industry.
Has any cinematic endeavor accomplished more than that?"
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Post by Grabthar's Hammer on Feb 6, 2019 15:38:58 GMT
^^The problem is, Grabthar's Hammer, that Archie’s topic was not about how impressive or how “impactful” on modern filmmaking the MCU is. The topic is about “best”: it’s about, in Archie’s opinion, nothing else being a greater cinematic achievement than the MCU. And I don’t think that’s a defensible argument. A brief comment on another point you raised: I think it depends on the people you’re talking to. As a classic movie buff, I often talk to people about Gone with the Wind, Citizen Kane, and Psycho, among other—far more often than I talk about the MCU, in fact. I talk about Alfred Hitchcock’s films with people probably more than any other film or franchise. MCU and DCEU is second, but I imagine that’s just because they are current and pretty much every few months there is something new to discuss. If the subject is strictly the “best of all time” than not even Star Wars would top my list, and basically there wouldn’t be any person who could give a “right” answer because it’d be subjective. My personal favorite would be Psycho or Rear Window. If we’re talking impactful or influential, that’s when Star Wars tops the list by far. I don’t think the MCU can be so entirely ignored though. It can’t be denied that every studio started making plans for a cinematic universe after The Avengers. |
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