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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 14, 2017 2:59:04 GMT
I would argue that the Star Wars anthology movies are a cheapening of the franchise, not an enhancement. oh I think they're a great idea. You have this series about an entire galaxy. Explore it. It's fantastic. I hope they do series about ancient sith, about everybody.
Rogue One might be my favorite Star Wars film. It's right there.
If they'd done this immediately after the original trilogy I'd agree. But now it feels exploitive to say the least. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 14, 2017 3:08:26 GMT
oh I think they're a great idea. You have this series about an entire galaxy. Explore it. It's fantastic. I hope they do series about ancient sith, about everybody.
Rogue One might be my favorite Star Wars film. It's right there.
If they'd done this immediately after the original trilogy I'd agree. But now it feels exploitive to say the least. Honestly that doesn't change anything to me. I kind of like the difference in production value. It doesn't take me out of it, it makes me appreciate how far we've come as a society. It's never too late to look back at a story and explore something else about it. |
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Post by Spooky Ghost Ackbar on Dec 14, 2017 3:12:02 GMT
If they'd done this immediately after the original trilogy I'd agree. But now it feels exploitive to say the least. Honestly that doesn't change anything to me. I kind of like the difference in production value. It doesn't take me out of it, it makes me appreciate how far we've come as a society. It's never too late to look back at a story and explore something else about it. I'll be happy when they finally get around to making an Admiral Ackbar movie |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 14, 2017 3:15:59 GMT
Honestly that doesn't change anything to me. I kind of like the difference in production value. It doesn't take me out of it, it makes me appreciate how far we've come as a society. It's never too late to look back at a story and explore something else about it. I'll be happy when they finally get around to making an Admiral Ackbar movie You know what, I'm shocked that you'd want that. I really am. I never saw that coming. I really had you pegged as a Jar Jar person. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 14, 2017 3:54:20 GMT
How many individual MCU movies can be ranked alongside movies like Empire Strikes Back, Raiders of the Lost Ark, Jurassic Park, Alien, ECT.? Honestly, not many... If any. Honestly, none at all. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 14, 2017 3:58:48 GMT
I'd like to hear any thoughts on what would be considered a bigger accomplishment. The resume of the MCU is that of a 22 solid film run that has achieved consistent results, raised it's box office value, established global brand trust, earned the purchasing eye of Disney, produced at least a few of the very best films in the genre, become the largest film study in Hollywood, and has become an influence on the entire industry.
Has any cinematic endeavor accomplished more than that? Good god Arch! Really?! "Is Anything A Greater Cinematic Achievement Than The MCU?" Holy shit, the MCU %#&% is so far up your @$$ you cant even see right.
How about, oh I don't know, movies of social or dramatic significance that have stood the test of time? Or movies that were so deep and meaningful that they changed lives and peoples perceptions, or even just film language itself? Or the ENTIRE CAREERS of Steven Spielberg, or Martin Scorsese, or Stanley Kubrick? What about the entire European Film Nouveau movement of the 60's? The new wave of American auteurs in the 70's? How about sound and color in movies? How about Just Star Wars, or Harry Potter, or LOTR or Star Trek?
The MCU is awesome, no doubt! But its just fun entertainment. There are far more greater achievements in film/cinema than a string of money making CBM's. Go out into the world, see some movies from before just the last ten years, learn, and then come back and we'll talk about the great cinematic achievements.
Seriously, tone down the fanaticism. Its out of control!
To be fair, I'm pretty sure the main purpose of movies (in modern times anyway) is to provide fun and entertainment. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 14, 2017 4:11:19 GMT
The entire collection can. That's the point. It's not about any one film, which is why saying other individual films are better doesn't override the point to me. Honestly, that's what doesn't make sense to me. Quantity over quality? it's sheer number of films alone doesn't make it the greatest achievement ever. Agreed. Quantity doesn't make a great cinematic achievement. Quality does. Another cinematic achievement that's far greater than MCU are The Godfather and The Godfather: Part II. Part III was disappointing but the 1st 2 Godfather movies both won the Best Picture Oscar, making The Godfather franchise the only franchise to win multiple Best Picture Oscars. That's definitely a greater cinematic achievement than MCU. MCU doesn't take any risks and just makes mediocre movies rather than trying to make exceptional movies. Which is better? A franchise with 17 mediocre movies that will be forgotten in a decade from now or franchise with 2 exceptional movies that won Best Picture Oscars? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 14, 2017 4:13:59 GMT
Agreed. Quantity doesn't make a great cinematic achievement. Quality does. And that's what the MCU has. It's very existence was a risk. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 14, 2017 4:31:07 GMT
Honestly, that's what doesn't make sense to me. Quantity over quality? it's sheer number of films alone doesn't make it the greatest achievement ever. Agreed. Quantity doesn't make a great cinematic achievement. Quality does. Another cinematic achievement that's far greater than MCU are The Godfather and The Godfather: Part II. Part III was disappointing but the 1st 2 Godfather movies both won the Best Picture Oscar, making The Godfather franchise the only franchise to win multiple Best Picture Oscars. That's definitely a greater cinematic achievement than MCU. MCU doesn't take any risks and just makes mediocre movies rather than trying to make exceptional movies. Which is better? A franchise with 17 mediocre movies that will be forgotten in a decade from now or franchise with 2 exceptional movies that won Best Picture Oscars? And if you have both quantity and quality, like the MCU does, then that's darn near impossible to beat. No other movie franchise can boast them same amount of quantity and quality as the MCU movies. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 14, 2017 4:35:10 GMT
Agreed. Quantity doesn't make a great cinematic achievement. Quality does. Another cinematic achievement that's far greater than MCU are The Godfather and The Godfather: Part II. Part III was disappointing but the 1st 2 Godfather movies both won the Best Picture Oscar, making The Godfather franchise the only franchise to win multiple Best Picture Oscars. That's definitely a greater cinematic achievement than MCU. MCU doesn't take any risks and just makes mediocre movies rather than trying to make exceptional movies. Which is better? A franchise with 17 mediocre movies that will be forgotten in a decade from now or franchise with 2 exceptional movies that won Best Picture Oscars? And if you have both quantity and quality, like the MCU does, then that's darn near impossible to beat. No other movie franchise can boast them same amount of quantity and quality as the MCU movies. Except MCU doesn't have any quality movies. Not a single MCU movie is considered to be the same quality as The Godfather or The Godfather Part II. Like I said, MCU doesn't take any risks and doesn't make any exceptional movies. 17 movies and not 1 of them is a home run. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 14, 2017 4:48:02 GMT
And if you have both quantity and quality, like the MCU does, then that's darn near impossible to beat. No other movie franchise can boast them same amount of quantity and quality as the MCU movies. Except MCU doesn't have any quality movies. Not a single MCU movie is considered to be the same quality as The Godfather or The Godfather Part II. Like I said, MCU doesn't take any risks and doesn't make any exceptional movies. 17 movies and not 1 of them is a home run. Only according to you. According to most accepted metrics like Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, Critical reactions... majority of MCU movies are indeed quality. Even their worst movies are by and large considered decent. Show me any other movie franchise that's able to create multiple movies and maintain such a high level of praise from audience and critics alike? |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 14, 2017 5:18:59 GMT
And if you have both quantity and quality, like the MCU does, then that's darn near impossible to beat. No other movie franchise can boast them same amount of quantity and quality as the MCU movies. Except MCU doesn't have any quality movies. Not a single MCU movie is considered to be the same quality as The Godfather or The Godfather Part II. Like I said, MCU doesn't take any risks and doesn't make any exceptional movies. 17 movies and not 1 of them is a home run. And the DCEU is definitely not up there as well either. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 14, 2017 5:34:37 GMT
Except MCU doesn't have any quality movies. Not a single MCU movie is considered to be the same quality as The Godfather or The Godfather Part II. Like I said, MCU doesn't take any risks and doesn't make any exceptional movies. 17 movies and not 1 of them is a home run. Only according to you. According to most accepted metrics like Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, Critical reactions... majority of MCU movies are indeed quality. Even their worst movies are by and large considered decent. Show me any other movie franchise that's able to create multiple movies and maintain such a high level of praise from audience and critics alike? Not just according to me. According to EVERYONE. Show me 1 MCU movie that the majority of critics and audiences consider to be on the same level of quality as The Godfather or The Godfather Part II. OK, those movies are too high a standard for a mediocre franchise like MCU.
So we don't have to limit Oscar winners. Show me 1 MCU movie that the majority of critics and audiences consider to be on the same level of quality as these movies:
The Dark Knight The Empire Strikes Back Raiders of the Lost Ark Terminator 2 Back to the Future Wonder Woman
There are none. Not 1 MCU movie that's considered to be on the same level of quality as the exceptional movies listed above. Like I said, MCU doesn't take any risks and doesn't make any exceptional movies. Just 17 mediocre movies. No home runs.
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Post by DC-Fan on Dec 14, 2017 5:40:39 GMT
The entire collection can. That's the point. It's not about any one film, which is why saying other individual films are better doesn't override the point to me. Honestly, that's what doesn't make sense to me. Quantity over quality? it's sheer number of films alone doesn't make it the greatest achievement ever. Agreed. The Dark Knight Trilogy is a much better cinematic achievement than MCU. All 3 movies of the Dark Knight Trilogy are in the top 117 ranked movies on IMDb.
So MCU - 17 movies, all mediocre, no exceptional movies.
The Dark Knight Trilogy - 3 movies, all exceptional movies.
Which is better? 17 movies, all mediocre and none exceptional? Or 3 movies, all exceptional?
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Dec 14, 2017 5:42:31 GMT
Only according to you. According to most accepted metrics like Rotten Tomatoes, Metacritic, Critical reactions... majority of MCU movies are indeed quality. Even their worst movies are by and large considered decent. Show me any other movie franchise that's able to create multiple movies and maintain such a high level of praise from audience and critics alike? The Dark Knight The Empire Strikes Back Raiders of the Lost Ark Terminator 2 Back to the Future Wonder Woman
Lol at implying Wonder Woman is on par with these movies... |
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Post by _ on Dec 14, 2017 6:02:07 GMT
The Dark Knight The Empire Strikes Back Raiders of the Lost Ark Terminator 2 Back to the Future Wonder Woman
Lol at implying Wonder Woman is on par with these movies... Haven't seen it. |
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Post by judgejosephdredd on Dec 14, 2017 6:14:30 GMT
Honestly, that's what doesn't make sense to me. Quantity over quality? it's sheer number of films alone doesn't make it the greatest achievement ever. Agreed. The Dark Knight Trilogy is a much better cinematic achievement than MCU. All 3 movies of the Dark Knight Trilogy are in the top 117 ranked movies on IMDb.
So MCU - 17 movies, all mediocre, no exceptional movies.
The Dark Knight Trilogy - 3 movies, all exceptional movies.
Which is better? 17 movies, all mediocre and none exceptional? Or 3 movies, all exceptional?
The IMDb top 117 list became a joke in the late 00's, and almost any major release was placed into the list on release instead of gradually developing a reputation as being one of the best made films of all-time. It turned into a popularity contest than something actual credibility. Hell, Coco is already up there and it just came out. For crying out loud, The Dark Knight is at no. 4 and is rated higher than 12 Angry Men, E.T., To Kill a Mockingbird, City Lights, Jaws, City of God, 2001, Princess Mononoke, The Green Mile, Metropolis, Ran, Gone with the Wind, Saving Private Ryan, Seven Samurai, Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas, Barry Lyndon, Spirited Away, Schindler's List, Rear Window, Apocalypse Now, Citizen Kane, and the original Star Wars trilogy and no way in heck is it a better film than any of them by a long shot. But if you want to play it like that then Thor: Ragnarok is on there as well and Wonder Woman - your favorite film of the year, is nowhere to be found. As far as being "exceptional"( You mean critically, yes?) Iron Man(2008) is TIED with The Dark Knight with 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. Captain America: Winter Soldier, Captain America: Civil War, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man: Homecoming, Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor: Ragnarok, and The Avengers(2012) are rated higher than The Dark Knight Rises and Batman Begins. So it would seem that as far as critics are concerned the MCU's best is on par with The Dark Knight, and on average are better than Begins and Rises. And since you've been one to label critics as "being easily bribed" and "corrupt" then what do you mean by "exceptional" then? |
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Post by _ on Dec 14, 2017 6:29:06 GMT
Agreed. The Dark Knight Trilogy is a much better cinematic achievement than MCU. All 3 movies of the Dark Knight Trilogy are in the top 117 ranked movies on IMDb.
So MCU - 17 movies, all mediocre, no exceptional movies.
The Dark Knight Trilogy - 3 movies, all exceptional movies.
Which is better? 17 movies, all mediocre and none exceptional? Or 3 movies, all exceptional?
The IMDb top 117 list became a joke in the late 00's, and almost any major release was placed into the list on release instead of gradually developing a reputation as being one of the best made films of all-time. It turned into a popularity contest than something actual credibility. Hell, Coco is already up there and it just came out. For crying out loud, The Dark Knight is at no. 4 and is rated higher than 12 Angry Men, E.T., To Kill a Mockingbird, City Lights, Jaws, City of God, 2001, Princess Mononoke, The Green Mile, Metropolis, Ran, Gone with the Wind, Saving Private Ryan, Seven Samurai, Pulp Fiction, Goodfellas, Barry Lyndon, Spirited Away, Schindler's List, Rear Window, Apocalypse Now, Citizen Kane, and the original Star Wars trilogy and no way in heck is it a better film than any of them by a long shot. But if you want to play it like that then Thor: Ragnarok is on there as well and Wonder Woman - your favorite film of the year, is nowhere to be found. As far as being "exceptional"( You mean critically, yes?) Iron Man(2008) is TIED with The Dark Knight with 94% on Rotten Tomatoes. Captain America: Winter Soldier, Captain America: Civil War, Doctor Strange, Spider-Man: Homecoming, Guardians of the Galaxy, Thor: Ragnarok, and The Avengers(2012) are rated higher than The Dark Knight Rises and Batman Begins. So it would seem that as far as critics are concerned the MCU's best is on par with The Dark Knight, and on average are better than Begins and Rises. And since you've been one to label critics as "being easily bribed" and "corrupt" then what do you mean by "exceptional" then? RT score is not a grade or a rating. |
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Dec 14, 2017 9:58:18 GMT
Just because Captain America: Winter Soldier has a high percent rating does not mean every review is glowing. You won't hear critics on RT call any of the MCU movie a cinematic masterpiece like The Godfather, Titanic, Casablanca, Citizen Kane. NOT ONE. In fact, the closest superhero movies I can come up with that deserves such praise are X-Men: Days of Future Past, Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 14, 2017 10:19:47 GMT
Just because Captain America: Winter Soldier has a high percent rating does not mean every review is glowing. You won't hear critics on RT call any of the MCU movie a cinematic masterpiece like The Godfather, Titanic, Casablanca, Citizen Kane. NOT ONE. In fact, the closest superhero movies I can come up with that deserves such praise are X-Men: Days of Future Past, Spider-Man 2 and The Dark Knight. And in a few years time, these kind of comic book movies will be extinct from production. |
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