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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 4:32:01 GMT
No, because MCU movies are all forgettable and don't stand the test of time. A decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten. MCU is a lot like Disco in the 1970s. Disco was the hottest thing in America in the late 1970s, but its popularity faded almost as quickly as its rise and now it's pretty much a forgotten era. Same with the MCU. MCU's movies are forgettable and a decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten. Nope, wrong on all accounts. You're just letting your bias do all the talking. Because of the MCU, other studios try to emulate the cinematic universe trend, including your DCEU. And it's starting to look like the DCEU will be forgotten in a decade. Nobody even tries to remember the DCEU right now. Even WB and DC are hoping it will just go away. #teamcolden |
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 4:46:14 GMT
Not a single dud in 17 movies Plenyt of duds. The Incredible Hulk was a dud. So were Captain America: The First Avenger and Thor: The Dark World. The DCEU wishes it could have "duds" like them, heh. |
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Post by scabab on Dec 11, 2017 6:20:50 GMT
Star Wars will always be at the top.
Then probably James Bond and maybe Harry Potter.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2017 7:13:40 GMT
Marvel Studios has surpassed Star Wars. According a very important poll on the worlds biggest movie discussion site IMDB v2 people choose to watch Avengers Infinity War over Star Wars The Last Jedi.
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Post by Nicko's Nose on Dec 11, 2017 8:04:33 GMT
You don't think The Avengers is/will be iconic or influential as those films you just mentioned? MCU's movies are forgettable and a decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten. Lol there’s no way that’s gonna happen and you know it. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2017 11:22:14 GMT
In terms of universe building; its the most successful and innovative, however it doesnt have many competitor's to compare with. To make a consistent 10+ interconnected film series does require great vision and stringent planning in execution. But not even 1 of the films can be considered an individual cinematic masterpiece so no way can it be the overall greatest cinematic achievement just for making multiple decent movies in a row. It just needs good dedicated planning which at the highest level of the Hollywood film making business shouldnt require that much of an effort.
Taking all that great vision and precise planning and using it to produce 1 or 2 top tier movies instead of 15 generally okay-passable movies is a better cinematic achievement.
If you asked this question to a film guild or film academics youd be laughed out of the building.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 11, 2017 11:26:19 GMT
Night of the Living Dead is also a major cinematic achievement. It launched an entire subgenre in horror. A genre that is still going strong today!
R.I.P George Romero
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 11, 2017 12:17:29 GMT
But not even 1 of the films can be considered an individual cinematic masterpiece Iron Man 1, Avengers 1...of course, it depends if your definition of masterpiece is "Absolutely no connection to another film and 100% standalone." which is antithetical to what the MCU is supposed to be doing. |
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Post by sostie on Dec 11, 2017 12:33:15 GMT
In terms of what they have achieved, have planned and the timescales involved, I think they are incomparable.
But there are plenty of greater achievements in cinema - for instance first film, first talkie, first colour film etc etc
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 13:01:17 GMT
In terms of what they have achieved, have planned and the timescales involved, I think they are incomparable. But there are plenty of greater achievements in cinema - for instance first film, first talkie, first colour film etc etc touche' ;-) |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 13:03:50 GMT
Night of the Living Dead is also a major cinematic achievement. It launched an entire subgenre in horror. A genre that is still going strong today! R.I.P George Romero True, but I don't know if what it led to makes it more of an achievement really. I mean yeah it has to be considered but the same film got made whether or not it had any impact. I'm asking more about what they actually did, and 17 films all at high quality, all working together, and then on top of it dominating the entire industry is just more impressive, know what I mean? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 13:08:24 GMT
In terms of universe building; its the most successful and innovative, however it doesnt have many competitor's to compare with. To make a consistent 10+ interconnected film series does require great vision and stringent planning in execution. But not even 1 of the films can be considered an individual cinematic masterpiece so no way can it be the overall greatest cinematic achievement just for making multiple decent movies in a row. It just needs good dedicated planning which at the highest level of the Hollywood film making business shouldnt require that much of an effort. Taking all that great vision and precise planning and using it to produce 1 or 2 top tier movies instead of 15 generally okay-passable movies is a better cinematic achievement. If you asked this question to a film guild or film academics youd be laughed out of the building. It has several competitors doesn't it? Not to mention it's the evolution of a genre that's been going on for over a decade.
I don't see what having 1 film that's considered the godfather of the generation matters, and they might anyway with something like Avengers. It has consistent high level quality, it doesn't have to have 1 that meets a standard of "cinematic masterpiece" whatever that even means.
"shouldn't require that much of an effort" and yet it does.
So what would the film academics say in it's place after they finished laughing?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 13:11:28 GMT
Star Wars will always be at the top. Then probably James Bond and maybe Harry Potter. Why would it be impossible to top Star Wars? |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 13:12:07 GMT
There are singular films that are bigger cinematic achievements. Cleopatra (1963) and The Ten Commandments (1956) for example. I also agree that The Lord of the Rings trilogy is a bigger achievement. In what way are they bigger achievements though? |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 11, 2017 13:13:47 GMT
Night of the Living Dead is also a major cinematic achievement. It launched an entire subgenre in horror. A genre that is still going strong today! R.I.P George Romero True, but I don't know if what it led to makes it more of an achievement really. I mean yeah it has to be considered but the same film got made whether or not it had any impact. I'm asking more about what they actually did, and 17 films all at high quality, all working together, and then on top of it dominating the entire industry is just more impressive, know what I mean? Romero undead trilogy basically wrote the whole zombie Apocalypse rule book. One that's still continueing to be used with popular shows like walking dead. MCU is successful and they earned it, but I say it's too early to call it a master piece. It is funny that universal studios, the ones who basically created the cinematic universe concept with their monster movies, fail to do it again with the recent Mummy remake. |
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Post by sostie on Dec 11, 2017 13:18:19 GMT
You don't think The Avengers is/will be iconic or influential as those films you just mentioned? No, because MCU movies are all forgettable and don't stand the test of time. A decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten. MCU is a lot like Disco in the 1970s. Disco was the hottest thing in America in the late 1970s, but its popularity faded almost as quickly as its rise and now it's pretty much a forgotten era. Same with the MCU. MCU's movies are forgettable and a decade from now MCU movies will be forgotten. What a dumb comparison. MCU has already been around a decade...a lot longer than Disco. And if you think disco is forgotten and had no influence/impact on music...you know little about music (as well). If MCU is Disco, DCEU is The Macarena |
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Post by sostie on Dec 11, 2017 13:36:55 GMT
Star Wars will always be at the top. Then probably James Bond and maybe Harry Potter. Why would it be impossible to top Star Wars? No one has yet mentioned a franchise which been around over 50 years, has a shared Universe and has been a success across the two major visual medias of TV and Cinema...Star Trek. |
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Post by charzhino on Dec 11, 2017 13:39:57 GMT
It has several competitors doesn't it? Not to mention it's the evolution of a genre that's been going on for over a decade. You're talking about the achievement of creating a shared universe rather than any genre. MCU is an evolution, not a revolution. No other film universe has followed the template of the MCU by making solo films for individual characters then combining it to make a team movie. DCEU is the closest but its all relstivlrelatively new phenomenon. [/p] It matters because you've mentioned the MCU as the greatest cinematic achievement ever. How can something deserving of that title not have even have 1 film that is worthy of being mentioned alongside classics such as Casablanca, Jurassic Park, 2001, The Shawshank Redemption, Alien? They would probably say that the idea itself of an interconnected universe of good films is a great accomplishment, but rewarding it as the best ever cinematic achievement since the inception of the art of cinema is disrespectful to the actual milestone films and projects that have pioneered the industry. |
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Post by ReyKahuka on Dec 11, 2017 14:04:24 GMT
Star Wars will always be at the top. Then probably James Bond and maybe Harry Potter. Why would it be impossible to top Star Wars? Star Wars did things no one had ever seen before on film. It revolutionized sci-fi cinema. It also came at a time when there wasn't as much competition in entertainment media. Star Wars will remain the biggest draw for at least another generation, until the kids who grew up watching MCU films develop the strong nostalgic connection Star Wars fans have now. Then I think we could see a shift, especially if SW keeps rehashing the OT and Marvel keeps introducing new characters. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 11, 2017 14:08:01 GMT
True, but I don't know if what it led to makes it more of an achievement really. I mean yeah it has to be considered but the same film got made whether or not it had any impact. I'm asking more about what they actually did, and 17 films all at high quality, all working together, and then on top of it dominating the entire industry is just more impressive, know what I mean? Romero undead trilogy basically wrote the whole zombie Apocalypse rule book. One that's still continueing to be used with popular shows like walking dead. MCU is successful and they earned it, but I say it's too early to call it a master piece. It is funny that universal studios, the ones who basically created the cinematic universe concept with their monster movies, fail to do it again with the recent Mummy remake. I actually really enjoyed watching Dawn of the Dead for the first time after I had seen most of The Walking Dead. It's an interesting retrospective that actually holds up. |
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