Why Would You Expect People To Show Up For Flashpoint?

Dec 13, 2017 21:06:31 GMT ArArArchStanton said:

BVS did better because it instilled the "gotta see these two on screen for the first time" bit.  And then people realized it sucked, stopped coming, and didn't come back.

Are you going to admit Justice League, because I have no idea what point you're trying to make.

Whether you liked them or not doesn't matter.

Depending on which you judge things by the DCEU pecking order goes box office wise 5: JL @ $212m, 4: MOS @ $291m, 3: Suicide Squad @ $325m 2: BVS @ $330m & 1: WW @ $412m domestically, worldwide however it goes, 5: JL @ $615m, 4: MOS @ $668m, SS @ $745m, 2: WW @ $821m & !: BVS @ $873m, and given how Suicide Squad if it got a Chinese release would also be in the $800m+ range no BVS did not "run off" fans, that's the point fans haven't been run off but JL failed to sell people on going to see it, just like how despite the MCU having a fanbase/awareness of doing $1.5b in box office for a single film does not mean every film generates that interest, Ant Man generated $500m in interest based on how Marvel sold the film and the brands current standing in the industry, JL didn't sell itself to the people like all the other DCEU films have hence their lower box office, if the brand was tainted it would have meant Wonder Woman would have failed also not become the DCEU's highest domestic earner by a almost 20% margin.

You keep saying bullshit terms which are not true, DC haven't lost their audience nor have they been constant failures, has JL underperformed? absolutely, has DC got problems with WB's messing with things? absolutely, have the majority of the DCEU been underwhelming critically? yeah it has, but see those are factual statements that are not easily disproved unlike yours which is make up a narrative based off of the last films success, do you see the difference?

Just because YOU dislike the films doesn't matter, the DCEU has a large & stable fanbase which if they stimulate properly will come out for future films.

also "Are you going to admit Justice League, because I have no idea what point you're trying to make." makes no fucking sense what the fuck were you trying to say? because I already admitted JL underperformed, if you want me to say it's a bad film I cant, it has problems but I liked it overall, and thought the negatives are easily corrected, what makes JL "bad" is a studio mandated runtime instilled after the film had been written & filmed requiring 30+ minutes of the film to be cut, but even then it's not bad it's just not great, it's an ok film even with it being fucked with.

Dec 13, 2017 21:39:59 GMT ArArArchStanton said:

It's not that complicated

When BVS performs $400 mil short of Civil War and

JL comes up $300 mil short of BVS

You are losing your audience.  Something is wrong.  You can sit there and say you like it all you want, you can try to pretend that $600 mil is a good total.  But it doesn't change the fact, that something is massively wrong.  You need to own that.

I don't need to own shit you fucking moron I'm not saying $600m is good, I'm saying WB failed to sell the film to their fans this time around, something they did however manage to do for every other one of their films, what DC does compared to Marvel doesn't mean shit because they aren't the same thing, they are different brands with different positions backed by different companies with different mandates, WB is run by fucking idiots who have done nothing but cause problems for the DC films since MOS, Marvel has Disney who support their plays and who try to correct problems before the cut off point instead of creating new ones after it.

The $600m is only good in the sense of DC has that fanbase that majority of them like the film, this means DC & WB if they are smart just need to take that into account, next time make a film where $600m is a success that way if it only does $600m then fuck it you still made money, don't make films that need to be top 10 films of the year BO wise to make a profit, it also means that they have a $600m fanbase left to build on, they didn't run of all their fans, or most of their fans or even half of them most of their fans stuck around for JL and most of those fans liked the film, that's the positive that their smaller fanbase is still huge and it's one that liked the last film, does nothing for JL but it's a positive foundation for DC to build on.

Also 1 film does not show a pattern which is my point, you keep saying DC are doing this and DC are doing that but you base it off the performance of one film, one film which could be an outlier and not an accurate identifier of what is actually happening, also the pattern you talk of is one that is more clearly effecting the MCU films, the big team ups are dropping in BO from one to the next, the finales of the trilogies are doing less each time also, so the interest of the casuals is dropping for the MCU it seems, but here I unlike you see the other obvious point which is good for them, there's an upside where the actual base fandom has grown significantly so whilst they may not get the shocking $1.5b or £1.2b of a Avengers or IM3 they have the stability of 3 $800m movies in a single calendar year, which given for those big BO's Marvel had to give almost a year of space to build anticipation, now they know they can release 3 films a year and do over $2b at the BO with 4 months or less between the films.