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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 13, 2017 15:43:14 GMT
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 15:59:40 GMT
No, I'm not giving it a cent. If you know somewhere I can see it for free, I might, but honestly I don't really care to. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 13, 2017 16:07:14 GMT
He could probably watch it all on YouTube at this point. |
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Post by dazz on Dec 13, 2017 17:07:36 GMT
God your an idiot.
The plot of the animated film was when Flash alters time the new timeline has Atlantis at war with the Amazons, so given Wonder Womans success and if Aquaman is even a modest hit then selling Flashpoint on that, as the war between the Amazons & Atlanteans would get a lot of attention, you than add Flash as the pivotal character who can set things right and sprinkle in the other JL members for a fuller universe and it's an easy sell.
The whole JL should have made $1.5b is stupid that's not what it should have made but what it COULD have made, Batman Begins made less than $400m Dark Knight made over $1b, Rises made over $1b also does that mean Begins should have made $1b also and is a failure for not doing so because clearly Batman is capable of making over $1b per film...No because that's not what it should have made but could have if the circumstances were right, circumstances for JL sure as fuck weren't right so why do you think it should have made max BO? that's just fucking stupid.
Again, what difference does the animated film make?
If Avengers made 1.5, why couldn't Justice League. I keep hearing about how famous their characters are.
Because that's the fucking plot of Flashpoint ffs, so by heavily promoting the war aspect of Flashpoint using the bonafide star of Wonder Woman and the potential star of Aquaman and the massive battle between their forces is an easy selling point for flashpoint, that is why people will come to see the film, do you understand now?
God you're as bad as DC Fan.
As for Avengers, Avengers was a success for everything outside of it's film predecessors, outside of the Iron Man's none of the other MCU films were blow away hits, but they did well and they made money for Marvel in other ways which is where Disney came in and brought them for a huge amount, buying Marvel for $4b made Marvel something to take note of, and with Disney's backing came Disney's money & influence, there's a reason why since Disney got hold of the brand that brand can take C & D list characters and give them their own films and effortlessly make more money than any of the Phase 1 films not starring RDJ, thanks to the Disney purchase Marvel got infused with a lot of prestige and clout.
Compare that to as I said Batman Begins, it was written & directed by the same guy, it featured the same actors & it had the same tone & style of the other films in the Dark Knight trilogy but it made less than 40% what either the other films did, and the why is simple, it wasn't in a place to make more, the tarnish of Batman & Robin sullied the Batman name, Begins had to be great to rehab it and because it was it allowed Dark Knight to be a massive hit, the massive hit or Dark Knight allowed Rises to be an even bigger hit despite being an inferior film to Dark Knight because Dark Knight gave Rises all the lead in it needed to be a massive hit.
WB just let too much shit go by without correcting things, compared to Marvel or Disney who you know look at the Han Solo film, all that shit happened and the worked double time to reshape opinions, they put out so much filler but positive little things like Ron Howard's tweets of the sets and stuff, they didn't just sit around and let negative shit come out over and over again, hell they greenlit a Rian Johnson before Last Jedi which just adds to the hype of Last Jedi because shit they must love this film if their giving the guy free reign to do a new trilogy of his own making, and that's why JL was never going to do Avengers numbers this time around, but say 5 years time if they give us some solid WW2, Flashpoint, Aquaman, MOS 2, The Batman and so on then a JL2 could piss all over Avengers, just like how IW is likely to piss all over Avengers & Ultron when it comes out.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 17:10:45 GMT
Again, what difference does the animated film make?
If Avengers made 1.5, why couldn't Justice League. I keep hearing about how famous their characters are.
Because that's the fucking plot of Flashpoint ffs, so by heavily promoting the war aspect of Flashpoint using the bonafide star of Wonder Woman and the potential star of Aquaman and the massive battle between their forces is an easy selling point for flashpoint, that is why people will come to see the film, do you understand now?
God you're as bad as DC Fan.
As for Avengers, Avengers was a success for everything outside of it's film predecessors, outside of the Iron Man's none of the other MCU films were blow away hits, but they did well and they made money for Marvel in other ways which is where Disney came in and brought them for a huge amount, buying Marvel for $4b made Marvel something to take note of, and with Disney's backing came Disney's money & influence, there's a reason why since Disney got hold of the brand that brand can take C & D list characters and give them their own films and effortlessly make more money than any of the Phase 1 films not starring RDJ, thanks to the Disney purchase Marvel got infused with a lot of prestige and clout.
Compare that to as I said Batman Begins, it was written & directed by the same guy, it featured the same actors & it had the same tone & style of the other films in the Dark Knight trilogy but it made less than 40% what either the other films did, and the why is simple, it wasn't in a place to make more, the tarnish of Batman & Robin sullied the Batman name, Begins had to be great to rehab it and because it was it allowed Dark Knight to be a massive hit, the massive hit or Dark Knight allowed Rises to be an even bigger hit despite being an inferior film to Dark Knight because Dark Knight gave Rises all the lead in it needed to be a massive hit.
WB just let too much shit go by without correcting things, compared to Marvel or Disney who you know look at the Han Solo film, all that shit happened and the worked double time to reshape opinions, they put out so much filler but positive little things like Ron Howard's tweets of the sets and stuff, they didn't just sit around and let negative shit come out over and over again, hell they greenlit a Rian Johnson before Last Jedi which just adds to the hype of Last Jedi because shit they must love this film if their giving the guy free reign to do a new trilogy of his own making, and that's why JL was never going to do Avengers numbers this time around, but say 5 years time if they give us some solid WW2, Flashpoint, Aquaman, MOS 2, The Batman and so on then a JL2 could piss all over Avengers, just like how IW is likely to piss all over Avengers & Ultron when it comes out.
Nobody cares about the animated movie dude. A very small % of people who would show up to Flashpoint would have seen it. You're going to need more than that to get people into the theaters when people have already left. |
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Dec 13, 2017 17:19:15 GMT
When did he say anybody had to see the animated movie? He's talking about a plot that could work in the future!
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Post by dazz on Dec 13, 2017 17:39:41 GMT
Nobody cares about the animated movie dude. A very small % of people who would show up to Flashpoint would have seen it. You're going to need more than that to get people into the theaters when people have already left. taylorfirst1 already said all that needs to here except for this so from me to you I give a heart felt go fuck yourself you annoying tosser. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 17:48:42 GMT
Nobody cares about the animated movie dude. A very small % of people who would show up to Flashpoint would have seen it. You're going to need more than that to get people into the theaters when people have already left. taylorfirst1 already said all that needs to here except for this so from me to you I give a heart felt go fuck yourself you annoying tosser. I'm sorry the DCEU failed, but it did. Hopefully they'll reboot and do better so you have something to enjoy.
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Post by dazz on Dec 13, 2017 17:57:52 GMT
taylorfirst1 already said all that needs to here except for this so from me to you I give a heart felt go fuck yourself you annoying tosser. I'm sorry the DCEU failed, but it did. Hopefully they'll reboot and do better so you have something to enjoy.
I enjoyed the DCEU films, they aren't what I find annoying, that's you and your troll like behaviour, so instead of wanking yourself silly over JL failing why don't you fuck off because you do nothing but clutter the board with the same BS you constantly spout at the moment, you literally are DC Fan's Marvel counterpart which is not a good thing.
Also DCEU has had 1 failure and that's JL it's a big one I grant you but DCEU has made more money per film than the MCU did over the same progression of time & number of films, but for trolls who hate the DCEU that's enough the tarnish the whole thing, for me just means DC & WB need to rehab their brand which they are in a perfect position to do so without needing to reboot anything, which even if they do then oh well so long as they make some new CBM's relatively soon IDGAF one way or the other unlike yourself who is clearly bashing one out gleefully over DC's failure. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 13, 2017 18:36:23 GMT
I finally realized what you sound like... Every meathead jock bully on a sports site when their team wins. I'm just telling you that building on a cracked foundation isn't the best idea possible. But go ahead if you want to. Yup. And as I said in my post: |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 19:01:52 GMT
I'm sorry the DCEU failed, but it did. Hopefully they'll reboot and do better so you have something to enjoy.
I enjoyed the DCEU films, they aren't what I find annoying, that's you and your troll like behaviour, so instead of wanking yourself silly over JL failing why don't you fuck off because you do nothing but clutter the board with the same BS you constantly spout at the moment, you literally are DC Fan's Marvel counterpart which is not a good thing.
Also DCEU has had 1 failure and that's JL it's a big one I grant you but DCEU has made more money per film than the MCU did over the same progression of time & number of films, but for trolls who hate the DCEU that's enough the tarnish the whole thing, for me just means DC & WB need to rehab their brand which they are in a perfect position to do so without needing to reboot anything, which even if they do then oh well so long as they make some new CBM's relatively soon IDGAF one way or the other unlike yourself who is clearly bashing one out gleefully over DC's failure. The DCEU has been a consistent critical failure and has chased off audiences. Whether you enjoyed it or not, is irrelevant. |
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 13, 2017 19:45:35 GMT
I enjoyed the DCEU films, they aren't what I find annoying, that's you and your troll like behaviour, so instead of wanking yourself silly over JL failing why don't you fuck off because you do nothing but clutter the board with the same BS you constantly spout at the moment, you literally are DC Fan's Marvel counterpart which is not a good thing.
Also DCEU has had 1 failure and that's JL it's a big one I grant you but DCEU has made more money per film than the MCU did over the same progression of time & number of films, but for trolls who hate the DCEU that's enough the tarnish the whole thing, for me just means DC & WB need to rehab their brand which they are in a perfect position to do so without needing to reboot anything, which even if they do then oh well so long as they make some new CBM's relatively soon IDGAF one way or the other unlike yourself who is clearly bashing one out gleefully over DC's failure. The DCEU has been a consistent critical failure and has chased off audiences. Whether you enjoyed it or not, is irrelevant. "YOUR TEAM KEEPS LOSING! MINE KEEPS WINNING! YOU LIKING YOUR TEAM DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT WILL ALWAYS BE TERRIBLE AND WILL NEVER EVER WIN THE SUPER WORLD BOWL SERIES UNLESS THEY DO WHAT I SAY BECAUSE I AM THE SMARTEST FOR LIKING MY TEAM AND YOU ARE TERRIBLE FOR LIKING YOURS! YOUR FUN IS WRONG!!!!!" |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 20:49:12 GMT
The DCEU has been a consistent critical failure and has chased off audiences. Whether you enjoyed it or not, is irrelevant. "YOUR TEAM KEEPS LOSING! MINE KEEPS WINNING! YOU LIKING YOUR TEAM DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT WILL ALWAYS BE TERRIBLE AND WILL NEVER EVER WIN THE SUPER WORLD BOWL SERIES UNLESS THEY DO WHAT I SAY BECAUSE I AM THE SMARTEST FOR LIKING MY TEAM AND YOU ARE TERRIBLE FOR LIKING YOURS! YOUR FUN IS WRONG!!!!!" It's really more about you not realizing your team is terrible. You see, real fans actually try to fix the team, not make excuses for them. |
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Post by dazz on Dec 13, 2017 20:56:41 GMT
I enjoyed the DCEU films, they aren't what I find annoying, that's you and your troll like behaviour, so instead of wanking yourself silly over JL failing why don't you fuck off because you do nothing but clutter the board with the same BS you constantly spout at the moment, you literally are DC Fan's Marvel counterpart which is not a good thing.
Also DCEU has had 1 failure and that's JL it's a big one I grant you but DCEU has made more money per film than the MCU did over the same progression of time & number of films, but for trolls who hate the DCEU that's enough the tarnish the whole thing, for me just means DC & WB need to rehab their brand which they are in a perfect position to do so without needing to reboot anything, which even if they do then oh well so long as they make some new CBM's relatively soon IDGAF one way or the other unlike yourself who is clearly bashing one out gleefully over DC's failure. The DCEU has been a consistent critical failure and has chased off audiences. Whether you enjoyed it or not, is irrelevant. uhuh so that's why BVS did better than MOS, and Suicide Squad did more than MOS even without a Chinese release and then why Wonder Woman out did all other DCEU movies except BVS, also MOS got mostly positive reviews and has over a rotten rating in terms of actual average grade, whilst Wonder Woman is all around positive, sure BVS was meh, Suicide Squad was a mess and JL is iffy but given the statement is saying DCEU is consistently a critical flop which runs off fans, well that's just bullshit, 1 film failed to bring in money at the BO and even that is because it cost so damn much.
And running off audiences suggest people never wanted to watch the film which is bullshit, idiots like yourself wouldn't be harping on the failure of not doing $1b if the interest for JL had been nill since BVS or Suicide Squad, what DC did is fail to properly market the film, a trait many of the more expensive films have had which has caused them to bomb, a disinterest in the brand and disinterest in a film are different things, or are you going to now say that Marvel ran off 2/3's of their audience after Ultron when Ant Man could only doo $500m, I mean surely Marvels ran off atleast 1/3 since Avengers right? I mean they did $1.5b there but they can barely hit $1.1b with Avengers 2.5 and that had Spidey & Black Panther.
Oh and my enjoyment of the films is very relevant in regards to responding to you saying DC could reboot and make films I actually liked, you see I'm responding to actual things you say whilst you seem unaware of what you are actually saying, you pleb.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 21:06:31 GMT
The DCEU has been a consistent critical failure and has chased off audiences. Whether you enjoyed it or not, is irrelevant. uhuh so that's why BVS did better than MOS, and Suicide Squad did more than MOS even without a Chinese release and then why Wonder Woman out did all other DCEU movies except BVS, also MOS got mostly positive reviews and has over a rotten rating in terms of actual average grade, whilst Wonder Woman is all around positive, sure BVS was meh, Suicide Squad was a mess and JL is iffy but given the statement is saying DCEU is consistently a critical flop which runs off fans, well that's just bullshit, 1 film failed to bring in money at the BO and even that is because it cost so damn much.
And running off audiences suggest people never wanted to watch the film which is bullshit, idiots like yourself wouldn't be harping on the failure of not doing $1b if the interest for JL had been nill since BVS or Suicide Squad, what DC did is fail to properly market the film, a trait many of the more expensive films have had which has caused them to bomb, a disinterest in the brand and disinterest in a film are different things, or are you going to now say that Marvel ran off 2/3's of their audience after Ultron when Ant Man could only doo $500m, I mean surely Marvels ran off atleast 1/3 since Avengers right? I mean they did $1.5b there but they can barely hit $1.1b with Avengers 2.5 and that had Spidey & Black Panther.
Oh and my enjoyment of the films is very relevant in regards to responding to you saying DC could reboot and make films I actually liked, you see I'm responding to actual things you say whilst you seem unaware of what you are actually saying, you pleb.
BVS did better because it instilled the "gotta see these two on screen for the first time" bit. And then people realized it sucked, stopped coming, and didn't come back.
Are you going to admit Justice League, because I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
Whether you liked them or not doesn't matter.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 13, 2017 21:07:55 GMT
"YOUR TEAM KEEPS LOSING! MINE KEEPS WINNING! YOU LIKING YOUR TEAM DOESN'T MATTER BECAUSE IT WILL ALWAYS BE TERRIBLE AND WILL NEVER EVER WIN THE SUPER WORLD BOWL SERIES UNLESS THEY DO WHAT I SAY BECAUSE I AM THE SMARTEST FOR LIKING MY TEAM AND YOU ARE TERRIBLE FOR LIKING YOURS! YOUR FUN IS WRONG!!!!!" It's really more about you not realizing your team is terrible. You see, real fans actually try to fix the team, not make excuses for them. "YOUR TEAM IS AWFUL AND YOU ARE AWFUL FOR LIKING THEM!" "Well, I agree my team is having trouble and needs work..." "IF YOU LIKE THEM YOU ARE AWFUL!!!! IF YOU WOULD JUST LIKE MY TEAM AND ADMIT YOUR TEAM SUCKS I WOULD LEAVE YOU ALONE!" |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 21:12:16 GMT
It's really more about you not realizing your team is terrible. You see, real fans actually try to fix the team, not make excuses for them. "YOUR TEAM IS AWFUL AND YOU ARE AWFUL FOR LIKING THEM!" "Well, I agree my team is having trouble and needs work..." "IF YOU LIKE THEM YOU ARE AWFUL!!!! IF YOU WOULD JUST LIKE MY TEAM AND ADMIT YOUR TEAM SUCKS I WOULD LEAVE YOU ALONE!" sing it sister! |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 13, 2017 21:17:16 GMT
No, I'm not giving it a cent. If you know somewhere I can see it for free, I might, but honestly I don't really care to. You should. It's closest thing to a marvel movie that DC has! |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Dec 13, 2017 21:27:00 GMT
No, I'm not giving it a cent. If you know somewhere I can see it for free, I might, but honestly I don't really care to. You should. It's closest thing to a marvel movie that DC has! That's one of those statements that almost gives me a headache for how much it doesn't fit why I would show up to a film. But I'll try to keep it short.
A - I wouldn't show up to a DC film or any film, just because it feels like a Marvel film B - I don't think it does anyway C - Marvel films are about more than the general sensibility, they're about a strong focus on working with comic history, inspired new takes, acting, character building, tertiary characters, fitting into the larger narrative, and all sorts of other things. Some one off film can't possibility posses the ongoing qualities that keep me coming back to the MCU. It would have to build those up for itself over a long period of time.
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Post by dazz on Dec 13, 2017 21:33:00 GMT
uhuh so that's why BVS did better than MOS, and Suicide Squad did more than MOS even without a Chinese release and then why Wonder Woman out did all other DCEU movies except BVS, also MOS got mostly positive reviews and has over a rotten rating in terms of actual average grade, whilst Wonder Woman is all around positive, sure BVS was meh, Suicide Squad was a mess and JL is iffy but given the statement is saying DCEU is consistently a critical flop which runs off fans, well that's just bullshit, 1 film failed to bring in money at the BO and even that is because it cost so damn much.
And running off audiences suggest people never wanted to watch the film which is bullshit, idiots like yourself wouldn't be harping on the failure of not doing $1b if the interest for JL had been nill since BVS or Suicide Squad, what DC did is fail to properly market the film, a trait many of the more expensive films have had which has caused them to bomb, a disinterest in the brand and disinterest in a film are different things, or are you going to now say that Marvel ran off 2/3's of their audience after Ultron when Ant Man could only doo $500m, I mean surely Marvels ran off atleast 1/3 since Avengers right? I mean they did $1.5b there but they can barely hit $1.1b with Avengers 2.5 and that had Spidey & Black Panther.
Oh and my enjoyment of the films is very relevant in regards to responding to you saying DC could reboot and make films I actually liked, you see I'm responding to actual things you say whilst you seem unaware of what you are actually saying, you pleb.
BVS did better because it instilled the "gotta see these two on screen for the first time" bit. And then people realized it sucked, stopped coming, and didn't come back.
Are you going to admit Justice League, because I have no idea what point you're trying to make.
Whether you liked them or not doesn't matter.
Depending on which you judge things by the DCEU pecking order goes box office wise 5: JL @ $212m, 4: MOS @ $291m, 3: Suicide Squad @ $325m 2: BVS @ $330m & 1: WW @ $412m domestically, worldwide however it goes, 5: JL @ $615m, 4: MOS @ $668m, SS @ $745m, 2: WW @ $821m & !: BVS @ $873m, and given how Suicide Squad if it got a Chinese release would also be in the $800m+ range no BVS did not "run off" fans, that's the point fans haven't been run off but JL failed to sell people on going to see it, just like how despite the MCU having a fanbase/awareness of doing $1.5b in box office for a single film does not mean every film generates that interest, Ant Man generated $500m in interest based on how Marvel sold the film and the brands current standing in the industry, JL didn't sell itself to the people like all the other DCEU films have hence their lower box office, if the brand was tainted it would have meant Wonder Woman would have failed also not become the DCEU's highest domestic earner by a almost 20% margin.
You keep saying bullshit terms which are not true, DC haven't lost their audience nor have they been constant failures, has JL underperformed? absolutely, has DC got problems with WB's messing with things? absolutely, have the majority of the DCEU been underwhelming critically? yeah it has, but see those are factual statements that are not easily disproved unlike yours which is make up a narrative based off of the last films success, do you see the difference?
Just because YOU dislike the films doesn't matter, the DCEU has a large & stable fanbase which if they stimulate properly will come out for future films.
also "Are you going to admit Justice League, because I have no idea what point you're trying to make." makes no fucking sense what the fuck were you trying to say? because I already admitted JL underperformed, if you want me to say it's a bad film I cant, it has problems but I liked it overall, and thought the negatives are easily corrected, what makes JL "bad" is a studio mandated runtime instilled after the film had been written & filmed requiring 30+ minutes of the film to be cut, but even then it's not bad it's just not great, it's an ok film even with it being fucked with.
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