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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 13, 2017 7:27:54 GMT
Me too Mark!It feels wrong not letting Lucas be the one to close the Skywalker story.
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Post by miike80 on Dec 13, 2017 8:29:59 GMT
Me too. it wouldn't have been fan-fiction, and for sure TFA would not have been a remake of ANH
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 13, 2017 8:55:19 GMT
I guarantee he had better story ideas at the very least. Just don't give him total control.
EDIT: Don't make him director and/or scriptwriter and/or anything else. Just let him specialize at story telling. And tell him "No" at one of his bad ideas.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 13, 2017 9:33:15 GMT
I'm certain he had better story ideas at the very least. Just don't give him total control. That's really what star wars fans wanted. Well the reasonable ones anyway. George Lucas as a story contribute and producer, at least just for the sequel trilogy. They could get the directors they want as well as script writers. George helps with giving us a trilogy that ends the Skywalker story, his story and vision, and Disney could continue with future star wars films that tells whatever story they want to do. Sadly we're stuck with whatever Disney gives us. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 13, 2017 9:36:13 GMT
It's interesting to see this development happen. For 15+ years, people did nothing but give George Lucas flack for the Star Wars prequels. Some of it got really nasty in terms of the cyberbullying! Now he gets rid of his connection to the series and people want him back...  By the way, where the hell was Mark Hamill to defend George Lucas back when the PT was being released?! Love Mark but he didn't ever stick up for the guy publicly back then. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:02:51 GMT
It's interesting to see this development happen. For 15+ years, people did nothing but give George Lucas flack for the Star Wars prequels. Some of it got really nasty in terms of the cyberbullying! Now he gets rid of his connection to the series and people want him back... By the way, where the hell was Mark Hamill to defend George Lucas back when the PT was being released?! Love Mark but he didn't ever stick up for the guy publicly back then. I agree with everyone a little on this thread. People shredded George Lucas during and after the PT. I never shredded him, but I definitely shredded certain aspects of his work in that trilogy. And yet, while I have enjoyed both TFA and the new canon books, George's storytelling has always been at the heart of what has historically made Star Wars great. I would even suggest that it was specifically in the PT that the heights of this raconteur were achieved. And whereas his rumored ideas didn't sit well with me, sure, of course we'd all like to see what George would have done to close out the Skywalker story. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 13, 2017 15:19:08 GMT
One thing you can say about the prequels was that they had a good story. They were also original. Lucas was so great at world building. Unfortunately, that goes unnoticed because the dialogue in the prequels was borderline terrible and most of the acting left a little something to be desired. None of the movies are really *good, per se, but I still enjoy them in small doses and love the canon of them.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 15:40:26 GMT
One thing you can say about the prequels was that they had a good story. They were also original. Lucas was so great at world building. Unfortunately, that goes unnoticed because the dialogue in the prequels was borderline terrible and most of the acting left a little something to be desired. None of the movies are really *good, per se, but I still enjoy them in small doses and love the canon of them. Yeah, that about sums up my take on the PT. While I think much more highly of the OT, I'm more interested in re-watching the PT because I love the Sith/Jedi lore so much. I feel like a lot of the failures of the PT could have been bandaged by altering the timeline so that TPM started with Anakin as a child and ended with him as a teenager, which then would allow for a drinking-age-legal Anakin in AOTC and a mid-twenties Anakin falling to the dark side in ROTS. So many things that I didn't like about the PT would be erased if that had happened, but I still love important aspects of what we got. |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 13, 2017 17:16:00 GMT
With a precedent established for what happens when you don't tell Lucas 'no', I think more people will be willing to tell him no. Let him be involved, I say.
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 13, 2017 20:18:05 GMT
I agree with everyone a little on this thread. People shredded George Lucas during and after the PT. I never shredded him, but I definitely shredded certain aspects of his work in that trilogy. And yet, while I have enjoyed both TFA and the new canon books, George's storytelling has always been at the heart of what has historically made Star Wars great. I would even suggest that it was specifically in the PT that the heights of this raconteur were achieved. And whereas his rumored ideas didn't sit well with me, sure, of course we'd all like to see what George would have done to close out the Skywalker story. Sadly, George Lucas is getting almost into his mid 70's. Star Wars had to eventually move past George (realistically). I know from a quote by him right before he sold to Disney how it sounded like all the years of hate on him had finally taken its toll on him...something along the lines of, "Why would I keep making more Star Wars movies when all everyone does is tell me what a bad person I am?!" He also expressed interest in giving the franchise to a new generation of filmmakers. I also enjoy the new movies. They definitely aren't perfect - but neither are the prequel or OT movies. I choose to enjoy them for what they are vs. what I wish they would be. When I find myself starting to wish for something different, I just remind myself that at the end of the day, they're just movies. Fun movies but movies nonetheless. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 13, 2017 20:31:00 GMT
Hamill got very little publicity during the prequel years.
It wasn't until they were starting to consider new movies that he came back on the media radar.
He was mostly known for voiceover work through the 90s and 2000s.
I dont remember anyone asking Harrison Ford what he thought about the prequels either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 21:04:35 GMT
Honestly Revenge of the Sith had some flaws but was still great. Mostly because Steven Spielberg was actually involved with writing and directing that prequel.
Lots of people tend to say that Revenge of the Sith was only good compared to the first two but Sith was great and could even stand next to the OT. Despite the first two not being that good they still helped tell an interesting arc and storyline.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 21:08:56 GMT
Sadly, George Lucas is getting almost into his mid 70's. Star Wars had to eventually move past George (realistically). I know from a quote by him right before he sold to Disney how it sounded like all the years of hate on him had finally taken its toll on him...something along the lines of, "Why would I keep making more Star Wars movies when all everyone does is tell me what a bad person I am?!" He also expressed interest in giving the franchise to a new generation of filmmakers. I also enjoy the new movies. They definitely aren't perfect - but neither are the prequel or OT movies. I choose to enjoy them for what they are vs. what I wish they would be. When I find myself starting to wish for something different, I just remind myself that at the end of the day, they're just movies. Fun movies but movies nonetheless. It was right around the release of the prequels that people turned into whiny, little bitches in this country. Yeah...back in the good ole' OT days, we had discolored squares around our tie fighters and we liked it. Nobody complained. We just said, "thank you." Well, Shinnickneth, there are two types of people in this world now: the type you describe (living/enjoying reality) and the type that use words like "appropriation" and bitch about every way in which reality doesn't line up with what they want in their heads. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 13, 2017 22:30:22 GMT
Hamill got very little publicity during the prequel years. It wasn't until they were starting to consider new movies that he came back on the media radar. He was mostly known for voiceover work through the 90s and 2000s. I dont remember anyone asking Harrison Ford what he thought about the prequels either. The OT trio are cinematic icons. Mark Hamill may have been doing mostly voiceover with the occasional TV/movie appearance, but he's been a steadily working actor the entire time. On top of all this, he also has been a regular through the decades at comic book and film conventions where he's been directly available to the fans/media. If he had said anything to defend George Lucas during this time, we would have heard about it. He didn't. In terms of Harrison Ford, he said he hadn't watched the PT and so couldn't comment on them (typical Ford haha). |
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 13, 2017 22:33:28 GMT
Honestly Revenge of the Sith had some flaws but was still great. Mostly because Steven Spielberg was actually involved with writing and directing that prequel. Lots of people tend to say that Revenge of the Sith was only good compared to the first two but Sith was great and could even stand next to the OT. Despite the first two not being that good they still helped tell an interesting arc and storyline. What did he write? As far as I remember, he only directed one scene of Episode 3. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2017 22:51:32 GMT
Honestly Revenge of the Sith had some flaws but was still great. Mostly because Steven Spielberg was actually involved with writing and directing that prequel. Lots of people tend to say that Revenge of the Sith was only good compared to the first two but Sith was great and could even stand next to the OT. Despite the first two not being that good they still helped tell an interesting arc and storyline. What did he write? As far as I remember, he only directed one scene of Episode 3. I don't know I heard he wrote some scenes don't know which ones. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 13, 2017 22:55:47 GMT
Carrie Fisher helped with the screenplays-I know she refused to say anything negative about them.
Coppola was said to have directed or advised a scene in Revenge of the Sith (I think I know which one as it was the only time it felt like a regular dramatic movie-the final dialogue scene between Portman and co. before the duel).
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