I didn't expect Logan to have a Civil War type of issue

Mar 8, 2017 18:56:40 GMT kuatorises said:

Mar 8, 2017 15:19:33 GMT formersamhmd said:

They spent enough time on the subject, it kept getting brought up throughout the story.

Heck, they gave the issue more thought than the X-Movies did with their Registration Act. They made that very logical fear of Humanitys' into a totally 1-sided issue.

At least in Civil War you left with the issue unresolved (deliberately) without either side being "right".

While I agree that it never seems to come up in the X-Men movies, I can't really fault the movies since that's how the comics present as well.

I disagree, the comics did talk about this as well. Especially with Magneto. He was put on trial for his crimes at one point. Although the X-Men did have a problem allowing regular human courts to deal with mutant criminals, it did happen.

It did sort of fade a little in the nineties, but before that, I'ld say that it wasn't always the case in the comics.

Mar 9, 2017 15:35:14 GMT kuatorises said:

Mar 8, 2017 20:34:54 GMT @zieveraar said:

I disagree, the comics did talk about this as well. Especially with Magneto. He was put on trial for his crimes at one point. Although the X-Men did have a problem allowing regular human courts to deal with mutant criminals, it did happen.

It did sort of fade a little in the nineties, but before that, I'ld say that it wasn't always the case in the comics.

I'm not sure it is really a great example. I don't remember reading that comic as a kid, so I had to go look up a summary of the plot. Charles defends magneto, and as you pointed out the X-Men do have a problem  with him going before a human court, so it is still in humans versus humans in this case.

Well, the movie made it quite clear that Xavier was a massive threat to everyone around him. So there was definitely a need to do something. Killing him might have been a bit too much, but medical treatment (as Logan tried) was most definitely necessary.

Why is it too much? Because we like him? I think the movie said that he killed seven people and injured 600 more  in the West Chester incident. At the casino  he injures at least a few hundred more. There are people who spend the rest of their lives in prison for less than that.

Xavier was a lot more likeable in the movies than in the comics. formersamhmd says it too, Xavier always a bit of a hypocrite, especially in the comics.

He kept him being a mutant a secret for a very long time, only giving it up shortly after the first time the X-Men went to Genosha. The writers of the series have made him do pretty terrible things over the years in the comics, I don't know the exact body count of mutants whose deaths he is directly responsible for (or indirectly), but it's fairly high. He never does seem too upset about that.

Killing an old man for being ill is slightly overdoing it. He deserves better than that in the movies, I'ld say. Yes, he's an atom bomb waiting to explode, and has killed people (although for some reason there was little explanation about the whole incident, making it all a bit distant. Apparently even X-Men died during his fit, but again, who cares as it's only vaguely mentioned once. A flaw in this movie, that happens way too much), but never intending to do so. Say a pilot has a heart attack during a flight, crashing the plane, everyone dies, but he survives. Why would you put him in prison?

As for the Civil War aspect in X-Men comics, the Magneto trial wasn't the best of examples, but he did stand before a jury of sorts. And the X-Men let that happen. (even if at that time Magneto was 'good')

I'm trying to think of other instances of something similar happening. I know that when Rogue first joined the X-Men, there was quite a debate amongst them whether or not she should be allowed to join them, but can't remember if they ever talked about turning her in to the police. As they later protected Rogue when the government finally decided to take her down, I'm guessing it's most likely a no.

There was a scene at the end of the whole "Executioner's song" storyline, where Beast and Angel decide to rebuild a pub that was destroyed during an attack of Apocalypse's Riders on Scott Summers and Jean Grey. During that scene they were talking about a paper they once had to write about responsibility.

There were cases of the mutants part of the Brotherhood of Mutants being put in jail though, also other 'mutant terrorist' groups being turned over to the authorities. There wasn't really that much mention of it all, but it did happen.