Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2017 15:55:42 GMT
I want to preface this by saying I love "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory". In fact, it's one of my favorite films. Gene Wilder is perfect and hilarious, the story, the music, the sets, it's timeless.
One thing that has always bothered me is Grandpa Joe. He is a slimy bastard. Here we have a grown ass old man sitting in a bed for 20 years! Not Days, YEARS! His daughter is struggling to pay for CABBAGE WATER as she washes dirty laundry until dark. I don't mean at a laundry mat, she's scrubbing it "Little House on the Prairie" style with a wooden wash board and soap water buckets.
Meanwhile, slick old Joe is just eating. Here comes his daughter off a shift of washing dirt and God knows what other crud off of clothes, she has to WIPE HIS ASS. You know damn well his old lazy ass isn't getting up to go to the toilet (or outhouse, they look really poor). Then his sorry piece of shit self has the AUDACITY to ask "Is this all we're having?" when the mom is boiling cabbage water. Seriously? Go get a damn job, or beg on the street for some coins.
Then Charlie is working a paper route to buy old man river TOBACCO! These people are eating leafy water for dinner and he's smoking a pipe? Why can't he get lung cancer? At least then that would save them money. You have a little kid working after he does school and homework, and the Pepperidge Farm guy is sleeping all day, getting sponge baths, butt wiped, etc...
So after Charlie wins the golden ticket, who should he take to the factory? Not his dear mother, why she cannot afford a day off from her clothes washing, oh no. Why? Because somehow Grandpa Joe has a miraculous recovery?! He sees that Charlie wins and all of a sudden he can get out of bed! He can walk! Well hallefuckinglujah!
But thats not the end. Oh no. It's not bad enough this lazy leach did all of those things. HE IS THE REASON CHARLIE GETS IN TROUBLE. When they go to the Fizzy Lifting Soda room, Charlie obeys Wonka. Who was it that wanted a sip? Why it was good for nothing old Joe. He talks his impressionable grandson into disobeying Wonka. Then they begin to float to the top and almost die. You'd think he would grab Charlie's leg when he burps and descends, but again, not Joe. He's only concerned about himself. He yells from below Charlie "Burp!"
Then at the end, when Wonka says "You stole fizzy lifting drink! You Lose!" He has the nerve to yell at Wonka and tell him he's a crook. So what does Saint Joe do? He gives Charlie more sound advice, or advice to mold Charlie into a criminal. He tells Charlie they will sell the Everlasting Gobbstopper to Slugsworth. Luckily Charlie at this point in the film realizes his Bastard of a Grandpa's advice has only made things worse for him, so he gives Wonka his Gobbstopper back. He is poor, dirty, hungry, living it a shanty, supporting his grandparents, but he gives up the chance to make a fortune.
After Wonka tells Charlie (despite your Grandpa, who was holding you back) "YOU WON!" Grandpa knows whose dick to suck. He pipes in "What about me?" If I were Wonka, I would have said "Nothing, you are the reason he almost lost this prize!" Despite all of that, he agrees his entire family can move in. I hope after the Wonkavator scene the oompa loompas took Old Joe into the furnace room to burn his wrinkly old ass to a crisp.
|
|
mark
Freshman
@mark
Posts: 55
Likes: 12
|
Post by mark on Feb 7, 2017 21:06:05 GMT
LOL
Grandpa Joe is over 90 years old! All four of the bedridden grandparents would be eligible to receive the state pension (including the married couples allowance). The amount of money their pensions bring in would exceed what Mrs. Buckett brings in from her laundry work I'm sure.
As the four old aged pensioners are all bedridden they can't get to the post office to collect their pensions and Charlie, as a minor, can't collect it for them so every week Mrs. Buckett goes and collects all that pension money for them - what the heck does she do with it??? I bet she calls in the pub on the way home and blows it on gin!
|
|
filmfan95
Sophomore
@filmfan95
Posts: 383
Likes: 141
|
Post by filmfan95 on Feb 9, 2017 2:58:08 GMT
I'm more concerned with the fact that the Wonka's test with the Gobstoppers wasn't even a fair test, because Augustus Gloop was eliminated before Wonka ever handed them out. In the book there's no such test, and it makes a whole lot more sense. (Charlie never breaks the rules in the book) Heck, before I read the book, I was under the impression that Wonka killed all those kids. Then I read the book, where it revealed that the kids survived, and I said, "Dang it movie! You made me think Wonka killed all those kids! You traumatized generations of children just by not showing a simple scene that you could have shown easily!"
Granted, it's still a fun movie, but it's just confusing at times. LOL.
|
|
Blue
Junior Member
@bluejay
Posts: 1,317
Likes: 372
|
Post by Blue on Feb 9, 2017 5:42:58 GMT
I want to preface this by saying I love "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory". In fact, it's one of my favorite films. Gene Wilder is perfect and hilarious, the story, the music, the sets, it's timeless. One thing that has always bothered me is Grandpa Joe. He is a slimy bastard. Here we have a grown ass old man sitting in a bed for 20 years! Not Days, YEARS! His daughter is struggling to pay for CABBAGE WATER as she washes dirty laundry until dark. I don't mean at a laundry mat, she's scrubbing it "Little House on the Prairie" style with a wooden wash board and soap water buckets. Meanwhile, slick old Joe is just eating. Here comes his daughter off a shift of washing dirt and God knows what other crud off of clothes, she has to WIPE HIS ASS. You know damn well his old lazy ass isn't getting up to go to the toilet (or outhouse, they look really poor). Then his sorry piece of shit self has the AUDACITY to ask "Is this all we're having?" when the mom is boiling cabbage water. Seriously? Go get a damn job, or beg on the street for some coins. Then Charlie is working a paper route to buy old man river TOBACCO! These people are eating leafy water for dinner and he's smoking a pipe? Why can't he get lung cancer? At least then that would save them money. You have a little kid working after he does school and homework, and the Pepperidge Farm guy is sleeping all day, getting sponge baths, butt wiped, etc... So after Charlie wins the golden ticket, who should he take to the factory? Not his dear mother, why she cannot afford a day off from her clothes washing, oh no. Why? Because somehow Grandpa Joe has a miraculous recovery?! He sees that Charlie wins and all of a sudden he can get out of bed! He can walk! Well hallefuckinglujah! But thats not the end. Oh no. It's not bad enough this lazy leach did all of those things. HE IS THE REASON CHARLIE GETS IN TROUBLE. When they go to the Fizzy Lifting Soda room, Charlie obeys Wonka. Who was it that wanted a sip? Why it was good for nothing old Joe. He talks his impressionable grandson into disobeying Wonka. Then they begin to float to the top and almost die. You'd think he would grab Charlie's leg when he burps and descends, but again, not Joe. He's only concerned about himself. He yells from below Charlie "Burp!" Then at the end, when Wonka says "You stole fizzy lifting drink! You Lose!" He has the nerve to yell at Wonka and tell him he's a crook. So what does Saint Joe do? He gives Charlie more sound advice, or advice to mold Charlie into a criminal. He tells Charlie they will sell the Everlasting Gobbstopper to Slugsworth. Luckily Charlie at this point in the film realizes his Bastard of a Grandpa's advice has only made things worse for him, so he gives Wonka his Gobbstopper back. He is poor, dirty, hungry, living it a shanty, supporting his grandparents, but he gives up the chance to make a fortune. After Wonka tells Charlie (despite your Grandpa, who was holding you back) "YOU WON!" Grandpa knows whose dick to suck. He pipes in "What about me?" If I were Wonka, I would have said "Nothing, you are the reason he almost lost this prize!" Despite all of that, he agrees his entire family can move in. I hope after the Wonkavator scene the oompa loompas took Old Joe into the furnace room to burn his wrinkly old ass to a crisp. My God you are right D: D: D:
|
|
|
Post by FridayOnElmStreet on Feb 28, 2017 4:36:29 GMT
Hes an ass.
|
|
|
Post by ChaosMonster on Mar 1, 2017 3:27:40 GMT
I'm more concerned with the fact that the Wonka's test with the Gobstoppers wasn't even a fair test, because Augustus Gloop was eliminated before Wonka ever handed them out. In the book there's no such test, and it makes a whole lot more sense. (Charlie never breaks the rules in the book) Heck, before I read the book, I was under the impression that Wonka killed all those kids. Then I read the book, where it revealed that the kids survived, and I said, "Dang it movie! You made me think Wonka killed all those kids! You traumatized generations of children just by not showing a simple scene that you could have shown easily!" Granted, it's still a fun movie, but it's just confusing at times. LOL. Don't they have a scene in the end when they show the kids aren't dead, just maybe forever deformed (in some cases)?
|
|
filmfan95
Sophomore
@filmfan95
Posts: 383
Likes: 141
|
Post by filmfan95 on Mar 1, 2017 3:32:45 GMT
I'm more concerned with the fact that the Wonka's test with the Gobstoppers wasn't even a fair test, because Augustus Gloop was eliminated before Wonka ever handed them out. In the book there's no such test, and it makes a whole lot more sense. (Charlie never breaks the rules in the book) Heck, before I read the book, I was under the impression that Wonka killed all those kids. Then I read the book, where it revealed that the kids survived, and I said, "Dang it movie! You made me think Wonka killed all those kids! You traumatized generations of children just by not showing a simple scene that you could have shown easily!" Granted, it's still a fun movie, but it's just confusing at times. LOL. Don't they have a scene in the end when they show the kids aren't dead, just maybe forever deformed (in some cases)? Only in the book and the Tim Burton movie. In the Gene Wilder movie, we just have Wonka say near the end "I think they'll go back to being their nasty horrible selves, though maybe a little wiser for the wear." (Or something along the lines of that). But my little kid mind thought that he was full of crap, and I just couldn't accept that explanation until I actually read the book and found out that it was true. And I guess other people felt the same way, because I still come across fan theories online from people who never read the book that claim that Wonka had an evil plan to turn all the kids into chocolate, and that humans are part of his secret recipe.
|
|
|
Post by JHA Durant on Mar 1, 2017 6:56:17 GMT
Well said! Grandpa Joe was a useless companion and complete liability to Charlie.
Also, I always believed that those kids were dead too, as well as that girl's father. To me it made the film better, and it also explained that Boat Ride scene; some really dark shit is going on behind the scenes, and if you break the rules or do something stupid, you'll find out the hard way.
|
|
|
Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 1, 2017 16:17:28 GMT
Nah. Wonka specifically mentions the kids will be all right. Never had a reason to think the kids died.
|
|
|
Post by politicidal on Mar 5, 2017 21:48:46 GMT
I remember also that in another review, someone asked where he got the $$ to buy the chocolate he gives to Charlie in the first place let alone actually buy it.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Mar 7, 2017 12:09:10 GMT
I remember also that in another review, someone asked where he got the $$ to buy the chocolate he gives to Charlie in the first place let alone actually buy it. This is an excellent point! His old ass had money somewhere, and he got out of bed to buy candy. That bastard.
|
|
|
Post by Cooper, the Golden Retriever on Apr 4, 2017 3:04:57 GMT
I want to preface this by saying I love "Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory". In fact, it's one of my favorite films. Gene Wilder is perfect and hilarious, the story, the music, the sets, it's timeless. One thing that has always bothered me is Grandpa Joe. He is a slimy bastard. Here we have a grown ass old man sitting in a bed for 20 years! Not Days, YEARS! His daughter is struggling to pay for CABBAGE WATER as she washes dirty laundry until dark. I don't mean at a laundry mat, she's scrubbing it "Little House on the Prairie" style with a wooden wash board and soap water buckets. Meanwhile, slick old Joe is just eating. Here comes his daughter off a shift of washing dirt and God knows what other crud off of clothes, she has to WIPE HIS ASS. You know damn well his old lazy ass isn't getting up to go to the toilet (or outhouse, they look really poor). Then his sorry piece of shit self has the AUDACITY to ask "Is this all we're having?" when the mom is boiling cabbage water. Seriously? Go get a damn job, or beg on the street for some coins. Then Charlie is working a paper route to buy old man river TOBACCO! These people are eating leafy water for dinner and he's smoking a pipe? Why can't he get lung cancer? At least then that would save them money. You have a little kid working after he does school and homework, and the Pepperidge Farm guy is sleeping all day, getting sponge baths, butt wiped, etc... So after Charlie wins the golden ticket, who should he take to the factory? Not his dear mother, why she cannot afford a day off from her clothes washing, oh no. Why? Because somehow Grandpa Joe has a miraculous recovery?! He sees that Charlie wins and all of a sudden he can get out of bed! He can walk! Well hallefuckinglujah! But thats not the end. Oh no. It's not bad enough this lazy leach did all of those things. HE IS THE REASON CHARLIE GETS IN TROUBLE. When they go to the Fizzy Lifting Soda room, Charlie obeys Wonka. Who was it that wanted a sip? Why it was good for nothing old Joe. He talks his impressionable grandson into disobeying Wonka. Then they begin to float to the top and almost die. You'd think he would grab Charlie's leg when he burps and descends, but again, not Joe. He's only concerned about himself. He yells from below Charlie "Burp!" Then at the end, when Wonka says "You stole fizzy lifting drink! You Lose!" He has the nerve to yell at Wonka and tell him he's a crook. So what does Saint Joe do? He gives Charlie more sound advice, or advice to mold Charlie into a criminal. He tells Charlie they will sell the Everlasting Gobbstopper to Slugsworth. Luckily Charlie at this point in the film realizes his Bastard of a Grandpa's advice has only made things worse for him, so he gives Wonka his Gobbstopper back. He is poor, dirty, hungry, living it a shanty, supporting his grandparents, but he gives up the chance to make a fortune. After Wonka tells Charlie (despite your Grandpa, who was holding you back) "YOU WON!" Grandpa knows whose dick to suck. He pipes in "What about me?" If I were Wonka, I would have said "Nothing, you are the reason he almost lost this prize!" Despite all of that, he agrees his entire family can move in. I hope after the Wonkavator scene the oompa loompas took Old Joe into the furnace room to burn his wrinkly old ass to a crisp. Ever thought about going to the bathroom (I'm sure you hadn't a few days before this) and just letting some of your Gobstoppers out? Or picking some Gobstoppers out of your nose?
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 1:47:53 GMT
I want to know why there are no girl Oompa-Loompas. Where do they get more Oompa-Loompas?
|
|
CoyoteGraves
Sophomore
Smarmy
@coyotegraves
Posts: 349
Likes: 137
|
Post by CoyoteGraves on Apr 5, 2017 1:52:24 GMT
Maybe Oompa-Loompas are genderless.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 1:54:38 GMT
Maybe Oompa-Loompas are genderless. Hmmm...that makes the bathroom issue easier.
|
|
filmfan95
Sophomore
@filmfan95
Posts: 383
Likes: 141
|
Post by filmfan95 on Apr 5, 2017 3:02:27 GMT
I want to know why there are no girl Oompa-Loompas. Where do they get more Oompa-Loompas? There are female Oompa Loompas in the original book. I don't know why they made them all male in the movie.
|
|
|
Post by chalk2 on May 8, 2017 2:02:36 GMT
I want to know why there are no girl Oompa-Loompas. Where do they get more Oompa-Loompas? There are female Oompa Loompas in the original book. I don't know why they made them all male in the movie. Maybe like Charlie's poor mother they are all home scrubbing and cleaning after all the lazy Grandpa Joe type Oompa-Loompas. With everything in that factory supposedly edible I wonder if they piss lemonade and shit chocolate.
|
|
filmfan95
Sophomore
@filmfan95
Posts: 383
Likes: 141
|
Post by filmfan95 on Jul 26, 2017 4:06:08 GMT
If anyone is interested, my brother and I did a commentary on this movie recently. We couldn't actually show the entire movie because of copyright infringement, so you have to play your own copy simultaneously, and the video provides clips every ten minutes or so to make sure you are synced up correctly.
Also, be warned; Although this is intended to be a positive review of the film, my brother and I do not regard this film as sacred, and therefore make quite a few jokes about some of the stuff that we didn't like in it. So if you consider this to be an absolutely perfect film with no flaws whatsoever, this is not the video for you. There is also a bit of profanity (though nothing too bad).
Here it is if you want to listen to it:
|
|
|
Post by hi224 on Aug 17, 2017 5:02:08 GMT
nah hes a g actually.
|
|
|
Post by Cooper, the Golden Retriever on Aug 20, 2017 20:33:20 GMT
Naah..I think he was the best grandpa.
|
|