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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 18, 2017 17:40:12 GMT
Nope. If youre going to bring a character back, and one as central as this one is to this series, you at least give him a decent send off. They did it with Han. At least his death was dramatic as he was killed by his son. Lukes death would have been awesome... right up until we found out he wasnt really there at all. And then he dies... from what? Exertion?! Wtf? Yes. But what he really died from (in a fantasy world) is finished business. Luke found himself weak and afraid and a failure. He left everyone, closed himself off from the Force and was living his life in solitude until he died. His pep talk with Yoda brought him back. He had that moment of closure in the end. Hopefully Abrams is smart enough to bring him back as a Force ghost so he can council Rey. I have NO interest in seeing him as a force ghost. NONE. For what? So he can apologize for being a dick when was alive? So he can be helpful now that he's dead? To offer assistance "from a certain point of view"? Bullshit.
Luke was a wasted opportunity in this movie. Just a tweak here and there would have made his death a great moment and I feel we were cheated of even that.
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Post by harpospoke on Dec 18, 2017 19:41:45 GMT
I just realized what the "Luke in name only" reminded me of.
The Call and Gus characters in the Lonesome Dove sequel novels. The author actually seemed to go out of his way to tear them down after fans thought of them as heroic characters in the first novel. The Call character ends up sitting in a wooden shed with no legs sharpening knives for a living as an old man. Just a bitter old lonely man.
Pretty close to how "Luke" came off in this movie.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 18, 2017 19:41:51 GMT
Yes. But what he really died from (in a fantasy world) is finished business. Luke found himself weak and afraid and a failure. He left everyone, closed himself off from the Force and was living his life in solitude until he died. His pep talk with Yoda brought him back. He had that moment of closure in the end. Hopefully Abrams is smart enough to bring him back as a Force ghost so he can council Rey. I have NO interest in seeing him as a force ghost. NONE. For what? So he can apologize for being a dick when was alive? So he can be helpful now that he's dead? To offer assistance "from a certain point of view"? Bullshit.
Luke was a wasted opportunity in this movie. Just a tweak here and there would have made his death a great moment and I feel we were cheated of even that.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 18, 2017 20:45:33 GMT
I have NO interest in seeing him as a force ghost. NONE. For what? So he can apologize for being a dick when was alive? So he can be helpful now that he's dead? To offer assistance "from a certain point of view"? Bullshit.
Luke was a wasted opportunity in this movie. Just a tweak here and there would have made his death a great moment and I feel we were cheated of even that.
LOL!
Here's the thing: I could have lived with all of it (because I actually enjoyed the movie overall) if they had only given us Luke kicking some ass. And they even took that away when it turns out he's not even really there. ...And then he dies. They should have given us at least that. That's all I'm saying.
Shit, Laura Derns character went out better! She went out fighting and going down with the ship! That's a heroes death! Luke didn't burn out, he faded away...
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Dec 18, 2017 22:48:23 GMT
LOL!
Here's the thing: I could have lived with all of it (because I actually enjoyed the movie overall) if they had only given us Luke kicking some ass. And they even took that away when it turns out he's not even really there. ...And then he dies. They should have given us at least that. That's all I'm saying.
Shit, Laura Derns character went out better! She went out fighting and going down with the ship! That's a heroes death! Luke didn't burn out, he faded away...
To be fair, Luke kinda did sacrifice himself to give the Resistance time to escape. That's why when Rey moves the rocks and everyone was out of the bunker, Luke turn his lightsaber off because he knew everyone was safe and could get to the Falcon and it was then kinda pointless to keep fighting Kylo. I like his death and the idea behind it of exerting too much power because that does make sense in a way, but yeah, I wanted some kind of lightsaber fight, even if it was just for a couple minutes instead of just dodging every one of Kylo's swings. And maybe they did that because Luke was just a projection and his lightsaber wasn't going to physically clash with Kylo's and they wanted to keep the twist that he was still on the island.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 18, 2017 22:58:53 GMT
He was put thru all that training and working out for The Force Awakens, obviously with the intention of being much more active in Last Jedi, yet we're teased a dual pretty much, but all Luke does is just dodge a few swings from Kylo. I was expecting a full dual akin to ROTJ. Mark was able to drop 50lbs while in his 60s just to return as Luke. And he clearly looks in good shape and everything at 66. I wouldn't expect him to be flipping and twirling with his lightsaber, but he could have easily done another dual against Kylo similar to ROTJ Kinda reminds me of the first Expendables movie. Stallone gets a bunch of old action heroes, most of whom are way past their prime, and ask them to get into the best possible shape they can. Then he dresses everyone in tactical gear that completely obscures their physical shapes and makes most of the action scenes gun fights. What a waste of gym time.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 19, 2017 7:13:38 GMT
He was put thru all that training and working out for The Force Awakens, obviously with the intention of being much more active in Last Jedi, yet we're teased a dual pretty much, but all Luke does is just dodge a few swings from Kylo. I was expecting a full dual akin to ROTJ. Mark was able to drop 50lbs while in his 60s just to return as Luke. And he clearly looks in good shape and everything at 66. I wouldn't expect him to be flipping and twirling with his lightsaber, but he could have easily done another dual against Kylo similar to ROTJ Kinda reminds me of the first Expendables movie. Stallone gets a bunch of old action heroes, most of whom are way past their prime, and ask them to get into the best possible shape they can. Then he dresses everyone in tactical gear that completely obscures their physical shapes and makes most of the action scenes gun fights. What a waste of gym time. Or it could be that Hamill is kinda fat in the gut. He is in his 60s.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 19, 2017 14:47:41 GMT
Kinda reminds me of the first Expendables movie. Stallone gets a bunch of old action heroes, most of whom are way past their prime, and ask them to get into the best possible shape they can. Then he dresses everyone in tactical gear that completely obscures their physical shapes and makes most of the action scenes gun fights. What a waste of gym time. Or it could be that Hamill is kinda fat in the gut. He is in his 60s. I think you missed the point.
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 19, 2017 15:27:09 GMT
Or it could be that Hamill is kinda fat in the gut. He is in his 60s. I think you missed the point. That they wanted Hamill to look like he's an older version of Luke and not Porkins's brother?
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 19, 2017 17:33:39 GMT
I think you missed the point. That they wanted Hamill to look like he's an older version of Luke and not Porkins's brother? No. That they made Hamill get into shape and in the end didn't make him do anything that necessitated it. He could have been 50 pounds heavier and it wouldn't have made a difference for what he did in the film. It's not like they showed him actively still training while on the island.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 19, 2017 18:12:24 GMT
LOL!
Here's the thing: I could have lived with all of it (because I actually enjoyed the movie overall) if they had only given us Luke kicking some ass. And they even took that away when it turns out he's not even really there. ...And then he dies. They should have given us at least that. That's all I'm saying.
Shit, Laura Derns character went out better! She went out fighting and going down with the ship! That's a heroes death! Luke didn't burn out, he faded away...
To be fair, Luke kinda did sacrifice himself to give the Resistance time to escape. That's why when Rey moves the rocks and everyone was out of the bunker, Luke turn his lightsaber off because he knew everyone was safe and could get to the Falcon and it was then kinda pointless to keep fighting Kylo. I like his death and the idea behind it of exerting too much power because that does make sense in a way, but yeah, I wanted some kind of lightsaber fight, even if it was just for a couple minutes instead of just dodging every one of Kylo's swings. And maybe they did that because Luke was just a projection and his lightsaber wasn't going to physically clash with Kylo's and they wanted to keep the twist that he was still on the island. I just think they could've done better. If Luke had actually shown up on Crait, kicked a little real ass, and then died, I would have been much happier with it.
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Post by agentblue on Dec 19, 2017 22:17:05 GMT
To be fair, Luke kinda did sacrifice himself to give the Resistance time to escape. That's why when Rey moves the rocks and everyone was out of the bunker, Luke turn his lightsaber off because he knew everyone was safe and could get to the Falcon and it was then kinda pointless to keep fighting Kylo. I like his death and the idea behind it of exerting too much power because that does make sense in a way, but yeah, I wanted some kind of lightsaber fight, even if it was just for a couple minutes instead of just dodging every one of Kylo's swings. And maybe they did that because Luke was just a projection and his lightsaber wasn't going to physically clash with Kylo's and they wanted to keep the twist that he was still on the island. I just think they could've done better. If Luke had actually shown up on Crait, kicked a little real ass, and then died, I would have been much happier with it. Thats what I was hoping.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 22:25:49 GMT
To be fair, Luke kinda did sacrifice himself to give the Resistance time to escape. That's why when Rey moves the rocks and everyone was out of the bunker, Luke turn his lightsaber off because he knew everyone was safe and could get to the Falcon and it was then kinda pointless to keep fighting Kylo. I like his death and the idea behind it of exerting too much power because that does make sense in a way, but yeah, I wanted some kind of lightsaber fight, even if it was just for a couple minutes instead of just dodging every one of Kylo's swings. And maybe they did that because Luke was just a projection and his lightsaber wasn't going to physically clash with Kylo's and they wanted to keep the twist that he was still on the island. I just think they could've done better. If Luke had actually shown up on Crait, kicked a little real ass, and then died, I would have been much happier with it. yeah but think about it, he was a badass, he did something no Jedi has done before. And the tales will tell he was there, thus the kids at the end. The legend will go on. I liked it a lot.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 0:01:37 GMT
I just think they could've done better. If Luke had actually shown up on Crait, kicked a little real ass, and then died, I would have been much happier with it. Thats what I was hoping. After thirty years of waiting they couldn't give us that? We all know in ROTJ he wasn't at full power. So basically we missed the point in his life where he was in his prime. WTF?
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 0:03:52 GMT
I just think they could've done better. If Luke had actually shown up on Crait, kicked a little real ass, and then died, I would have been much happier with it. yeah but think about it, he was a badass, he did something no Jedi has done before. And the tales will tell he was there, thus the kids at the end. The legend will go on. I liked it a lot. Sure. That aspect is kinda bad ass. But after thirty years of waiting since ROTJ I wanted to see some ACTUAL bad assery. Not illusory bad assery.
I don't hate the movie, I'm just disappointed we didn't get more when it would have been so easy to give it to us.
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Post by agentblue on Dec 20, 2017 0:45:29 GMT
yeah but think about it, he was a badass, he did something no Jedi has done before. And the tales will tell he was there, thus the kids at the end. The legend will go on. I liked it a lot. Sure. That aspect is kinda bad ass. But after thirty years of waiting since ROTJ I wanted to see some ACTUAL bad assery. Not illusory bad assery.
I don't hate the movie, I'm just disappointed we didn't get more when it would have been so easy to give it to us.
Yeah I wanted to see him and Kylo go at it for real. If Yoda can have two lightsaber fights why couldnt Master Skywalker have one at least. Thats something I wanted to see since I was a kid.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 0:50:10 GMT
Sure. That aspect is kinda bad ass. But after thirty years of waiting since ROTJ I wanted to see some ACTUAL bad assery. Not illusory bad assery.
I don't hate the movie, I'm just disappointed we didn't get more when it would have been so easy to give it to us.
Yeah I wanted to see him and Kylo go at it for real. If Yoda can have two lightsaber fights why couldnt Master Skywalker have one at least. Thats something I wanted to see since I was a kid. You hit the target right on the frickin bingo! lol
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Post by ThatGuy on Dec 20, 2017 1:18:20 GMT
That they wanted Hamill to look like he's an older version of Luke and not Porkins's brother? No. That they made Hamill get into shape and in the end didn't make him do anything that necessitated it. He could have been 50 pounds heavier and it wouldn't have made a difference for what he did in the film. It's not like they showed him actively still training while on the island. They showed that he was very active for survival (gathering food). And that was without using the Force.
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Post by Surly on Dec 20, 2017 4:50:29 GMT
LOL!
Here's the thing: I could have lived with all of it (because I actually enjoyed the movie overall) if they had only given us Luke kicking some ass. And they even took that away when it turns out he's not even really there. ...And then he dies. They should have given us at least that. That's all I'm saying.
Shit, Laura Derns character went out better! She went out fighting and going down with the ship! That's a heroes death! Luke didn't burn out, he faded away...
That was funny on ThatGuy 's part to post that video. But I noticed he avoided addressing your points.
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Post by audiosane on Dec 20, 2017 5:25:48 GMT
LOL!
Here's the thing: I could have lived with all of it (because I actually enjoyed the movie overall) if they had only given us Luke kicking some ass. And they even took that away when it turns out he's not even really there. ...And then he dies. They should have given us at least that. That's all I'm saying.
Shit, Laura Derns character went out better! She went out fighting and going down with the ship! That's a heroes death! Luke didn't burn out, he faded away...
To be fair, Luke kinda did sacrifice himself to give the Resistance time to escape. That's why when Rey moves the rocks and everyone was out of the bunker, Luke turn his lightsaber off because he knew everyone was safe and could get to the Falcon and it was then kinda pointless to keep fighting Kylo. I like his death and the idea behind it of exerting too much power because that does make sense in a way, but yeah, I wanted some kind of lightsaber fight, even if it was just for a couple minutes instead of just dodging every one of Kylo's swings. And maybe they did that because Luke was just a projection and his lightsaber wasn't going to physically clash with Kylo's and they wanted to keep the twist that he was still on the island. Maybe astral Luke should've just moved the rocks himself. And why did Rey land the Falcon in that spot?
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