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Post by Rodney Farber on Dec 17, 2017 2:51:23 GMT
I firmly believe the following: (A)O.J.Simpson murdered Ron and Nicole, (B) Pluto is a planet, (C) There are only four Great Lakes. I also know that many people have different beliefs. However, I don't feel any need to preach to you just because you don't agree with my beliefs.
As for religion ...
If your belief system is the one TRUE belief system ... If your God is the one true deity ... If your version of the Bible is the only true word of God ...
Why do you have to attempt to convert everyone else? I mean, if your church was the best, people would flock to it on the Sabbath without any proselytizing on your part. If your bible is the only TRUTH, why do people buy different versions?
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Post by Johnny-Come-Lately on Dec 17, 2017 3:00:42 GMT
As a Catholic, I don't care what you are. I don't pretend one set of people are better than an other. I take people at face value, and I like you unless you give me a reason not to.
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Dec 17, 2017 3:57:26 GMT
I believe all people just plain suck
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 17, 2017 13:18:48 GMT
I think people get the notion of preaching conflated with conversion.
Most people are not converted, so clearly they are doing it for other reasons. Maybe it as something to do with their beliefs....
In a secular way, this is just direct marketing and advertising. It's almost like people can;t comprehend how sales work.
EVERY ideology has a level of marketing and advocacy. Otherwise, it either is a secret society , which would usually not include a religion, or they don;t exist.
It's weird that people think preaching is weird and especially since the Bible clearly says that Christianity involves a pretty high level of proselytizing with the primary difference being who does it amongst the various faiths.
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 17, 2017 20:56:05 GMT
I firmly believe the following: (A)O.J.Simpson murdered Ron and Nicole, (B) Pluto is a planet, (C) There are only four Great Lakes. I also know that many people have different beliefs. However, I don't feel any need to preach to you just because you don't agree with my beliefs. As for religion ... If your belief system is the one TRUE belief system ... If your God is the one true deity ... If your version of the Bible is the only true word of God ... Why do you have to attempt to convert everyone else? Because, the bible COMMANDS them to over and over again. By trying to convert you, they are simply following the expectations of their beliefs. Converting people is part of the religion. Matthew 10:12-1512 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. Matthew 28:19-2019 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Romans 10:14-1514 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” 1 Peter 3:1515 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 2 Timothy 4:1-21 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. Colossians 4: 5-65 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. |
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Post by Isapop on Dec 17, 2017 21:23:46 GMT
Because, the bible COMMANDS them to over and over again. By trying to convert you, they are simply following the expectations of their beliefs. Converting people is part of the religion... I recently found myself presenting the Christian viewpoint on one of Goz's threads. And now you, another non-Christian, are doing the same. Do you get the feeling that this board is somewhat short on Christians capable of making reasoned defense of the faith? |
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Post by Arlon10 on Dec 17, 2017 21:34:43 GMT
Apparently some people have questions.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 17, 2017 21:36:28 GMT
I firmly believe the following: (A)O.J.Simpson murdered Ron and Nicole, (B) Pluto is a planet, (C) There are only four Great Lakes. I also know that many people have different beliefs. However, I don't feel any need to preach to you just because you don't agree with my beliefs. As for religion ... If your belief system is the one TRUE belief system ... If your God is the one true deity ... If your version of the Bible is the only true word of God ... Why do you have to attempt to convert everyone else? Because, the bible COMMANDS them to over and over again. By trying to convert you, they are simply following the expectations of their beliefs. Converting people is part of the religion. Matthew 10:12-1512 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. Matthew 28:19-2019 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Romans 10:14-1514 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” 1 Peter 3:1515 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 2 Timothy 4:1-21 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. Colossians 4: 5-65 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. Excuse me, but didn't you once consider yourself part of the Christian religion? If so, did you feel COMMANDED to convert others? Of course, my question is based on the premise that you are the real Captain Bryce, and not just a ringer using his name.  |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 17, 2017 21:45:55 GMT
Because, the bible COMMANDS them to over and over again. By trying to convert you, they are simply following the expectations of their beliefs. Converting people is part of the religion... I recently found myself presenting the Christian viewpoint on one of Goz's threads. And now you, another non-Christian, are doing the same. Do you get the feeling that this board is somewhat short on Christians capable of making reasoned defense of the faith? Yes. But that's nothing new. The atheist to Christian ratio has always favored atheists here. And most Christians (IMO) are as ignorant about Christianity as the average atheist is. I find it very easy to answer questions related to the bible because I've actually read it multiple times, in more than one translation (something few Christians or atheists ever do). But this isn't so much a "defense" of Christianity as it is an answer to a very simple question (why do Christians do what they do). Whether you agree with it or not, or believe what they believe or not is irrelevant. The fact is, THEY believe it and the reason they act as they do is because their holy book tells them to. |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 17, 2017 21:49:04 GMT
Because, the bible COMMANDS them to over and over again. By trying to convert you, they are simply following the expectations of their beliefs. Converting people is part of the religion. Matthew 10:12-1512 As you enter the home, give it your greeting. 13 If the home is deserving, let your peace rest on it; if it is not, let your peace return to you. 14 If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, leave that home or town and shake the dust off your feet. 15 Truly I tell you, it will be more bearable for Sodom and Gomorrah on the day of judgment than for that town. Matthew 28:19-2019 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Romans 10:14-1514 How, then, can they call on the one they have not believed in? And how can they believe in the one of whom they have not heard? And how can they hear without someone preaching to them? 15 And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: “How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!” 1 Peter 3:1515 But in your hearts revere Christ as Lord. Always be prepared to give an answer to everyone who asks you to give the reason for the hope that you have. But do this with gentleness and respect, 2 Timothy 4:1-21 In the presence of God and of Christ Jesus, who will judge the living and the dead, and in view of his appearing and his kingdom, I give you this charge: 2 Preach the word; be prepared in season and out of season; correct, rebuke and encourage—with great patience and careful instruction. Colossians 4: 5-65 Be wise in the way you act toward outsiders; make the most of every opportunity. 6 Let your conversation be always full of grace, seasoned with salt, so that you may know how to answer everyone. Excuse me, but didn't you once consider yourself part of the Christian religion? If so, did you feel COMMANDED to convert others? Of course, my question is based on the premise that you are the real Captain Bryce, and not just a ringer using his name. All I did was quote verses directly out of the bible. Go and make disciples of all nations, and preach the word seem very clear to me. However, you can choose to ignore the scriptures or obey them as you see fit. Of course, my question is based on the premise that you ever actually were a real Christian in the first place and not just a poe.  |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 17, 2017 21:53:58 GMT
Excuse me, but didn't you once consider yourself part of the Christian religion? If so, did you feel COMMANDED to convert others? Of course, my question is based on the premise that you are the real Captain Bryce, and not just a ringer using his name. All I did was quote verses directly out of the bible. Go and make disciples of all nations, and preach the word seem very clear to me. However, you can choose to ignore the scriptures or obey them as you see fit. Of course, my question is based on the premise that you ever actually were a real Christian in the first place and not just a poe. You're deliberately making up the "command to convert" garbage. It's what you and your kind do, in an attempt to put Christians into a position where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. That isn't the choice they're given, as evidenced by the verses you posted, but if it were, I'd choose damned and don't. |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 17, 2017 22:41:33 GMT
All I did was quote verses directly out of the bible. Go and make disciples of all nations, and preach the word seem very clear to me. However, you can choose to ignore the scriptures or obey them as you see fit. Of course, my question is based on the premise that you ever actually were a real Christian in the first place and not just a poe. You're deliberately making up the "command to convert" garbage. It's what you and your kind do, in an attempt to put Christians into a position where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. I haven’t deliberately made up anything. You are most likely one of those “Christians” who thinks that the only commands in the Bible are the 10 Commandments. But the fact of the matter is anything that God, Jesus, or the disciples instructed Christian followers to do is by definition a command! He doesn’t actually have to say “I command you” in order for it to be a command. “Go forth” and “preach” are commands, and you would have to bend yourself into a pretzel with your usual kettle logic in order to make those commands anything other than commands. However, “your kind” is renowned for “cherry picking” and ignoring parts of the Bible you don’t like. And this is no doubt yet another example. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 17, 2017 22:57:01 GMT
You're deliberately making up the "command to convert" garbage. It's what you and your kind do, in an attempt to put Christians into a position where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't. I haven’t deliberately made up anything. You are most likely one of those “Christians” who thinks that the only commands in the Bible are the 10 Commandments. But the fact of the matter is anything that God, Jesus, or the disciples instructed Christian followers to do is by definition a command! He doesn’t actually have to say “I command you” in order for it to be a command. “Go forth” and “preach” are commands, and you would have to bend yourself into a pretzel with your usual kettle logic in order to make those commands anything other than commands. However, “your kind” is renowned for “cherry picking” and ignoring parts of the Bible you don’t like. And this is no doubt yet another example. If you don't want to advance to any higher of a state than you are now, you don't have to. It's your choice, dude. And I'm not breaking any "commands" from God by telling you this. |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 17, 2017 23:00:44 GMT
I haven’t deliberately made up anything. You are most likely one of those “Christians” who thinks that the only commands in the Bible are the 10 Commandments. But the fact of the matter is anything that God, Jesus, or the disciples instructed Christian followers to do is by definition a command! He doesn’t actually have to say “I command you” in order for it to be a command. “Go forth” and “preach” are commands, and you would have to bend yourself into a pretzel with your usual kettle logic in order to make those commands anything other than commands. However, “your kind” is renowned for “cherry picking” and ignoring parts of the Bible you don’t like. And this is no doubt yet another example. If you don't want to advance to any higher of a state than you are now, you don't have to. It's your choice, dude. Thank you for that bit of irrelevancy. But if I were you, I’d be more concerned about advancing my argument with a coherent defense (assuming you can conjure one). |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 17, 2017 23:04:43 GMT
If you don't want to advance to any higher of a state than you are now, you don't have to. It's your choice, dude. Thank you for that bit of irrelevancy. But if I were you, I’d be more concerned about advancing my argument with a coherent defense (assuming you can conjure one). It wasn't irrelevant, and no defense is necessary. Try and make a "command" out of that if you like. |
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Post by thefleetsin on Dec 17, 2017 23:13:47 GMT
aligning yourself with your chosen deity is a great party favor to flash around while professing ultimate truth.
otherwise, you'd just look plain silly.
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Post by cupcakes on Dec 17, 2017 23:57:59 GMT
tpfkar Thank you for that bit of irrelevancy. But if I were you, I’d be more concerned about advancing my argument with a coherent defense (assuming you can conjure one). It wasn't irrelevant, and no defense is necessary. Try and make a "command" out of that if you like. Always knew you considered Bryce a God.
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 18, 2017 1:04:23 GMT
Thank you for that bit of irrelevancy. But if I were you, I’d be more concerned about advancing my argument with a coherent defense (assuming you can conjure one). It wasn't irrelevant, and no defense is necessary. Try and make a "command" out of that if you like. I don’t need to try; I’m not the one who believes any of this bullshit anymore. You are the one who claims to. Consequently you need to try to make it NOT be the command in order to justify disobeying it (as you seem to be justifying)! In any case my point is that it’s what JWs, and Mormons, and other evangelizing, proselytizing, door to door Christian missionaries do, and those passages are what they use to justify why they feel they need to do it. How you rationalize NOT doing it isn’t anyone’s concern but yours champ! |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 18, 2017 1:10:06 GMT
It wasn't irrelevant, and no defense is necessary. Try and make a "command" out of that if you like. I don’t need to try; I’m not the one who believes any of this bullshit anymore. You are the one who claims to. Consequently you need to try to make it NOT be the command in order to justify disobeying it (as you seem to be justifying)! In any case my point is that it’s what JWs, and Mormons, and other evangelizing, proselytizing, door to door Christian missionaries do, and those passages are what they use to justify why they feel they need to do it. How you rationalize NOT doing it isn’t anyone’s concern but yours champ! Hey, stupid, there are no commands in those verses you quoted. Go back and read the one from Matthew again, and how to deal with those who don't wish to be converted. |
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Post by Toasted Cheese on Dec 18, 2017 5:53:57 GMT
All I did was quote verses directly out of the bible. Go and make disciples of all nations, and preach the word seem very clear to me. However, you can choose to ignore the scriptures or obey them as you see fit. Of course, my question is based on the premise that you ever actually were a real Christian in the first place and not just a poe. You're deliberately making up the "command to convert" garbage. It's what you and your kind do, in an attempt to put Christians into a position where they're damned if they do and damned if they don't.That isn't the choice they're given, as evidenced by the verses you posted, but if it were, I'd choose damned and don't. Hypocrite! Isn't this what Christians like yourself are doing, damning those that don't believe and when they come back with a valid and solid counter-argument, you will damn them some more? Seems like non-Christians are dammed anyway in the eyes of bible bashers, because they don't follow your damning word. |
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