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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 17, 2017 23:41:45 GMT
I remember people complaining about it on the TFA boards back on imdb. TLJ has it's problems, but women playing a big role in the resistance isn't one of them. But they write themselves into a corner. If they wanted to save the Resistance they needed dudes who could do wicked things like shoot lasers at the First Order fighters and crash into ships. The women were crap at that as evidenced when the Chinese girl crashed (surprise me!) into Finn before he had a chance to SAVE the remaining resistance. Also Laura Dern was very bitchy to Poe and I think it was because she was on her period. Normally i wouldn't take this position but that kinda sexist, don't you think? |
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Post by politicidal on Dec 18, 2017 1:19:10 GMT
Yeah... those were paid shills, like I hope you are or else this is embarrassing. Idiotic, evidence-free conspiracy theory duly noted. No, that's a self generated, unsupervised poll of internet users who can vote without ever having seen the movie, vote more than once, and who often do. Only a knuckle-dragging moron thinks this is valid or useful data for any purpose. More valid is the Cinemascore rating of A, which is done on ordinary audience members right after they have seen, and been verified to have seen, the movie. Want to see a clown? Look in a mirror. It's that easy? I bet it's gonna be removed after this. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 1:48:21 GMT
At this point, what is so bad about the be First Order? They might have slave soldiers, but they were never a ruling entity that oppressed people, right? There's no longer a unifying government but why should we trust that he last remnants of the resistance can pick up the pieces and do anything productive in terms of government? The first order actually built an order, had the scientific intelligence and organization to make a fucking planet weapon...seriously, who would you trust? Some of the books actually make a good point about what the FO can bring to the galaxy. Better off trusting those guys than a group of losers whose big plan is to die off slowly in space so that a worthless remnant can escape....to a death trap. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 2:03:45 GMT
I suggest that taste is the common thread of the haters. Have you seen the film? Yes, I've seen the film, and no, you idiots don't have taste going for you. You're just a loud minority of pathetic losers who have to invoke absurd, evidence-free conspiracy theories to explain why critics are giving the film such enthusiastic reviews. I don't need to discuss gender or conspiracy theories to prove what a fart in the mouth TLJ was. I'll put it succinctly for you: TFA asked about a dozen intriguing questions. TLJ gave resoundingly lackluster answers to half of them and flat out ignored the other half dozen. That's point one. Point two, the Krait escape was a major plot hole. Speaking of plots, Point three is that one ship chasing another ship at sublight is about as entertaining a plot as watching corpses rot. Point four, The First Order is now de-fanged. The Resistance is now de-fanged. Where the hell is the conflict? Point five is that Luke's characterization was awful and completely at odds with his character in the OT. Point six, Leia is not Superman. Point seven, let's talk about a good, strong, female lead like Rey was in TFA. How exactly does this strong character go from "monster!" and death duel to three days later wanting his finely-muscled bod? What kind of message does that send to young girls all over the country? You talk about sexism. What we saw in that movie was a sexist character evolution for Rey. Yeah, she's real independent. Slap her around, rape her mind, kidnap her...but all you gotta do is flash some white teeth and some muscles at her and she's ready to make you a sammich! If you truly felt the way you do about politics, you'd object strenuously to that scene. Point eight, I loved TFA, defended Rey against the Mary Sue bullshit for two solid years on this site and imdb, so stick your myopic, "it's only sexists!" factless, pointless, dickless, feckless argument about why people don't like this movie up your social justice warrior ass. This movie SUCKED and it had nothing to do with political leanings and everything to do with the fact that it SUCKED. |
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Post by thorshairspray on Dec 18, 2017 2:19:12 GMT
And look where they ended up. Notice the lead cast of the last three films? Two white men as "good guys" Its not even subtle |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 3:40:56 GMT
That ‘entertainment’ writers need to appeal to the lowest common denominator isn’t a conspiracy kid, it’s fact. Wrong. People who have a passion for film enough to see literally hundreds of films a year, attend festivals, and write about movies do have more insight than dweebs like you and me. But I'm really enjoying the way you alt right misogynists are so deeply butthurt. The Star Wars series was always feminist and left leaning. If it took you fools this long to figure it out, that just speaks volumes about how clueless you are. Yeah, real feminist. The point of ANH: a princess needs saving The point of TESB: get the princess away from the Hoth battle The point of ROTJ: stay on Endor and frolic with teddy bears, Leia, the boys will handle the real business up on DS2. The point of TPM: Amidala can do nothing on her own without the help of men, so much, in fact, that even a nine-year old boy is more helpful. The point of AOTC: save Amidala from being assassinated. The point of ROTS: Amidala gets smacked around by her abusive husband. What the fuck movies were you watching? Feminist my ass. |
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 18, 2017 6:35:55 GMT
There is nothing wrong with having plenty of females in the movie and in the roles that they had. Though it should be noted that majority of heroic acts were done by women. In fact now that I think of it, all were done by women except for Finn defeating Phasma.
Poe didn't really do anything except stage a mutiny and do a bomb run that killed more than half of their fighters. Plus the big moment in that bombing run belonged to Rose's sister. His last stand against the first order failed and he would have completely died without Rey's aid.
Luke spent the movie moping around and his one good deed was doing an illusion and then dying. He didn't even really fight.
Finn's selfless sacrifice moment was interrupted by Rose.
The rest of the men were either bad guys, traitors, incompetents or side characters.
Again, nothing wrong with the women having all the power roles. There are plenty movies out there where only the guys get the spotlight. But I thought I'd point out this observation anyway.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 18, 2017 6:43:57 GMT
90% men in first order
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Post by simplemoviecommenter on Dec 18, 2017 7:28:19 GMT
Dude, I fucking HATE the Alt-Right. Don't lump me or most of the critics here (with the possible exception of OP) in with them. I have NEVER used misogynistic arguments against Rey and I've always used evidence from the movies. You say Star Wars has always been feminist and left-leaning. I don't necessarily disagree, but TFA uses a WRONG kind of feminist whose heroine is poorly written with not much character whose sole "feminist" thing is being physically capable of kicking butt, which is such a misguided notion of a "strong female character". Leia is more of a better-written and rounded feminist character. |
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 18, 2017 11:57:23 GMT
Point five is that Luke's characterization was awful and completely at odds with his character in the OT. No, his characterization was fantastic, one of the best things in Johnson's script. This is the first time we see him evolving into a sophisticated, human, flawed character, and that evolution makes perfect sense the way Johnson lays it out. Stupid fanboys have a fetish-like attachment to an idealized version of the character and the brilliance of the script is the way he turns expectations upside down. Brilliant. I'm not sure what planet you come from, but here on Earth, where I live, she expressed nothing but annoyance towards his shirtless visage and there was no sign at all that she wanted him sexually. I guess this bizarre misinterpretation of yours tells us more about you than the movie, doesn't it? The rest of your "points" were mindless, whiny, irrelevant garbage unworthy of a written response. The future of Star Wars is in Rian Johnson's hands for now. It was the right decision. Grow up and deal with it. |
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Post by Jedan Archer on Dec 18, 2017 12:31:57 GMT
Wrong. People who have a passion for film enough to see literally hundreds of films a year, attend festivals, and write about movies do have more insight than dweebs like you and me. But I'm really enjoying the way you alt right misogynists are so deeply butthurt. The Star Wars series was always feminist and left leaning. If it took you fools this long to figure it out, that just speaks volumes about how clueless you are. Yeah, real feminist. The point of TPM: Amidala can do nothing on her own without the help of men, so much, in fact, that even a nine-year old boy is more helpful. Well, for what it's worth, Amidala's arc in TPM was to get independent from all the male grown ups (badly) advising her (old steward, Panaka, Qui Gon, Palps/Republic) and to finally find her own way/plan to save her people - even against the old males.
Feminists approved, but like with slave-outfit Leia it went slightly less feminist-friendly from there.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 15:10:36 GMT
I'm not sure what planet you come from, but here on Earth, where I live, she expressed nothing but annoyance towards his shirtless visage and there was no sign at all that she wanted him sexually. And I'm guessing that based on your inability to pick up her attraction in that scene, you don't get laid much. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Dec 18, 2017 15:15:27 GMT
I'm not sure what planet you come from, but here on Earth, where I live, she expressed nothing but annoyance towards his shirtless visage and there was no sign at all that she wanted him sexually. And I'm guessing that based on your inability to pick up her attraction in that scene, you don't get laid much. "His shirtless visage," ahahaha |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 15:19:04 GMT
No, his characterization was fantastic, one of the best things in Johnson's script. This is the first time we see him evolving into a sophisticated, human, flawed character, and that evolution makes perfect sense the way Johnson lays it out. Stupid fanboys have a fetish-like attachment to an idealized version of the character and the brilliance of the script is the way he turns expectations upside down. Brilliant. First time we see as a flawed character?!? Lol, you didn't watch ANH or TESB apparently. Also, I'm not a fanboy for Luke. As stated several times on this site, I've never cared for Luke. He's not even top 15 for me in the SW universe. The fact of the matter is that - amongst all his FLAWS in the OT - Luke never hesitated to sacrifice himself for others. That was the one thing you could count on when it came to Luke, even when it was a bad idea. This is also the same Luke who refused to kill either one of the two most evil people in the galaxy, choosing to lay down his life just to prove a point rather than take their lives. And yet now you're telling me that when he senses a little bit of evil in his own nephew that he thinks about murdering him in his sleep? And that he'd disappear from the galaxy when his friends needed him most? And that when - against all odds - they track him down, he tells them to fuck off? I don't know who that was in that movie, but that was not Luke. |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 18, 2017 16:08:34 GMT
No, his characterization was fantastic, one of the best things in Johnson's script. This is the first time we see him evolving into a sophisticated, human, flawed character, and that evolution makes perfect sense the way Johnson lays it out. Stupid fanboys have a fetish-like attachment to an idealized version of the character and the brilliance of the script is the way he turns expectations upside down. Brilliant. First time we see as a flawed character?!? Lol, you didn't watch ANH or TESB apparently. Also, I'm not a fanboy for Luke. As stated several times on this site, I've never cared for Luke. He's not even top 15 for me in the SW universe. The fact of the matter is that - amongst all his FLAWS in the OT - Luke never hesitated to sacrifice himself for others. That was the one thing you could count on when it came to Luke, even when it was a bad idea. This is also the same Luke who refused to kill either one of the two most evil people in the galaxy, choosing to lay down his life just to prove a point rather than take their lives. And yet now you're telling me that when he senses a little bit of evil in his own nephew that he thinks about murdering him in his sleep? And that he'd disappear from the galaxy when his friends needed him most? And that when - against all odds - they track him down, he tells them to fuck off? I don't know who that was in that movie, but that was not Luke.  |
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 18, 2017 16:12:52 GMT
And I'm guessing that based on your inability to pick up her attraction in that scene, you don't get laid much. I'm guessing by your inability to pick up on her obvious annoyance with Ren that you have deep trouble understanding the most basic of social cues. Autism spectrum, much? |
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 18, 2017 16:14:31 GMT
The fact of the matter is that - amongst all his FLAWS in the OT - Luke never hesitated to sacrifice himself for others. That was the one thing you could count on when it came to Luke, even when it was a bad idea. This is also the same Luke who refused to kill either one of the two most evil people in the galaxy, choosing to lay down his life just to prove a point rather than take their lives. And yet now you're telling me that when he senses a little bit of evil in his own nephew that he thinks about murdering him in his sleep? And that he'd disappear from the galaxy when his friends needed him most? And that when - against all odds - they track him down, he tells them to fuck off? I don't know who that was in that movie, but that was not Luke. A perfect example of the naive, fanboy idealization of the character that Johnson's brilliant script turns on its head. Suck on it--this damaged, flawed Luke is now canon, and there is jack shit you fools can do about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 16:20:56 GMT
And I'm guessing that based on your inability to pick up her attraction in that scene, you don't get laid much. I'm guessing by your inability to pick up on her obvious annoyance with Ren that you have deep trouble understanding the most basic of social cues. Autism spectrum, much? What can I tell ya, bud? Girls (and guys for that matter) often act annoyed by someone they have the hots for. She had more lust in her eyes for Kylo than Hogan did for Miss Elizabeth back at Summer Slam. You're clearly not used to noticing that subtlety in females. Do yourself a favor. Go ask a girl (a straight one...I feel as though I need to specify with you) whether there were signs from Rey of attraction from Kylo in the shirtless scene or not. See what a girl says. Talk about picking up on social cues, lol. That scene was intentionally used to let all the girls in the audience live out their "I don't want him/but I do!" moment through Rey that they are all feeling about the bad boys in their lives. It was a fantasy for heterosexual women. That was the whole damn point!!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 16:21:42 GMT
The fact of the matter is that - amongst all his FLAWS in the OT - Luke never hesitated to sacrifice himself for others. That was the one thing you could count on when it came to Luke, even when it was a bad idea. This is also the same Luke who refused to kill either one of the two most evil people in the galaxy, choosing to lay down his life just to prove a point rather than take their lives. And yet now you're telling me that when he senses a little bit of evil in his own nephew that he thinks about murdering him in his sleep? And that he'd disappear from the galaxy when his friends needed him most? And that when - against all odds - they track him down, he tells them to fuck off? I don't know who that was in that movie, but that was not Luke. A perfect example of the naive, fanboy idealization of the character that Johnson's brilliant script turns on its head. Suck on it--this damaged, flawed Luke is now canon, and there is jack shit you fools can do about it. Empty response. |
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Post by faustus5 on Dec 18, 2017 16:23:31 GMT
You got about as much of a response as your naive, fanboy protests deserved. |
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