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Post by ryboto on Dec 18, 2017 19:47:20 GMT
Nope. I repeat: But she's a completely novice force user with no training who just started using her powers only weeks/days before! Not a Jedi master at the height of his powers with the help of ghost Yoda too! WTF? If Snoke could do it Luke should have been able to do it too. I call BS.
What does snoke have to do with luke? Vader couldn't do force lighnting... Who says he couldn't? It's just a wild release of energy...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 21:48:11 GMT
Ask them this question: why did Luke only exercise the 5 Ds of Dodgeball out there? Why not actually take a few swings at Kylo, try to actually do some damage? Go on, ask them that. Do you think that the ultimate message of Luke in the OT that was reiterated by Rose may have been the reason?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:02:30 GMT
Ask them this question: why did Luke only exercise the 5 Ds of Dodgeball out there? Why not actually take a few swings at Kylo, try to actually do some damage? Go on, ask them that. Do you think that the ultimate message of Luke in the OT that was reiterated by Rose may have been the reason? You raise an interesting point, but no, I don't think that's why and I don't think you think that either. If you were being honest, why didn't Luke take a poke at Kylo during that scene?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:13:30 GMT
Do you think that the ultimate message of Luke in the OT that was reiterated by Rose may have been the reason? You raise an interesting point, but no, I don't think that's why and I don't think you think that either. If you were being honest, why didn't Luke take a poke at Kylo during that scene? 1. The entire climax of the saga was when Luke learned not to fight. So yes I do think that either. 2. Looks like he succeeded doing it his way. 3. Critics would have complained that a Force Projected Light Saber actually doing something vs a real one was too much of a stretch.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:19:34 GMT
You raise an interesting point, but no, I don't think that's why and I don't think you think that either. If you were being honest, why didn't Luke take a poke at Kylo during that scene? 1. The entire climax of the saga was when Luke learned not to fight. So yes I do think that either. 2. Looks like he succeeded doing it his way. 3. Critics would have complained that a Force Projected Light Saber actually doing something vs a real one was too much of a stretch. But physically holding golden dice and physically handing them to Leia wasn't a stretch? That's what I mean when I say this whole astral projection idea was done by someone who barely understands the surface of the lore. Either you follow established lore in which case all things are possible during astral projection that are possible in real, tangible form, or, you make your own lore and make it consistent. It suspends belief that Luke can do physical things and yet wouldn't attempt to take a swipe at Kylo. Yours is a decent argument, but I don't buy it for a second. It's just bad writing from a SW novice, and that's what RJ is.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 22:27:54 GMT
1. The entire climax of the saga was when Luke learned not to fight. So yes I do think that either. 2. Looks like he succeeded doing it his way. 3. Critics would have complained that a Force Projected Light Saber actually doing something vs a real one was too much of a stretch. But physically holding golden dice and physically handing them to Leia wasn't a stretch? That's what I mean when I say this whole astral projection idea was done by someone who barely understands the surface of the lore. Either you follow established lore in which case all things are possible during astral projection that are possible in real, tangible form, or, you make your own lore and make it consistent. It suspends belief that Luke can do physical things and yet wouldn't attempt to take a swipe at Kylo. Yours is a decent argument, but I don't buy it for a second. It's just bad writing from a SW novice, and that's what RJ is. I'll take Johnson and the main message of Star Wars from Lucas himself over whatever rules that were dreamed up by some EU writer that I never heard before, any day.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:22:38 GMT
But physically holding golden dice and physically handing them to Leia wasn't a stretch? That's what I mean when I say this whole astral projection idea was done by someone who barely understands the surface of the lore. Either you follow established lore in which case all things are possible during astral projection that are possible in real, tangible form, or, you make your own lore and make it consistent. It suspends belief that Luke can do physical things and yet wouldn't attempt to take a swipe at Kylo. Yours is a decent argument, but I don't buy it for a second. It's just bad writing from a SW novice, and that's what RJ is. I'll take Johnson and the main message of Star Wars from Lucas himself Well then you should hate the ST because it is doing a terrible job of following the rules Lucas put in place. As for what the EU says about astral projection, fine, who cares? But we should care what TLJ's writer meant with this plot device, right? So let's ask. Rian, in your world, does astral projection mean someone is essentially a hallucination and, therefore, can't engage in a real fight...or does it mean they can physically do things like hand off a set of gold dice? Because I'm confused by the fact that you showed us both. Let's see how he answers....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:38:39 GMT
I'll take Johnson and the main message of Star Wars from Lucas himself Well then you should hate the ST because it is doing a terrible job of following the rules Lucas put in place. As for what the EU says about astral projection, fine, who cares? But we should care what TLJ's writer meant with this plot device, right? So let's ask. Rian, in your world, does astral projection mean someone is essentially a hallucination and, therefore, can't engage in a real fight...or does it mean they can physically do things like hand off a set of gold dice? Because I'm confused by the fact that you showed us both. Let's see how he answers.... LOL, no it doesn't. People think that the PT revised the OT, but it really is the other way around. Put them in the right order, and I'm really, really, good with how the Force has gone. I'm not Rian, but if I was, I would say the projection is powerful enough to a project pair of dice solid enough to hold. And that Luke finally learned at the end of Return of the Jedi that the whole point of the Light, was not to fight anyway.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:45:30 GMT
LOL, no it doesn't. People think that the PT revised the OT, but it really is the other way around. Put them in the right order, and I'm really, really, good with how the Force has gone. I don't think that. I think the PT and OT work together great. So since we agree on that, why don't you tell me why the writers of the ST feel like they can undo things already established in the first six films? Okay, but that right there is some pussy shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:47:28 GMT
LOL, no it doesn't. People think that the PT revised the OT, but it really is the other way around. Put them in the right order, and I'm really, really, good with how the Force has gone. I don't think that. I think the PT and OT work together great. So since we agree on that, why don't you tell me why the writers of the ST feel like they can undo things already established in the first six films? Okay, but that right there is some pussy shit. I think the PT and OT work together great as well. What is undone in TLJ that was done in the first 6 films?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:50:54 GMT
Well then you should hate the ST because it is doing a terrible job of following the rules Lucas put in place. As for what the EU says about astral projection, fine, who cares? But we should care what TLJ's writer meant with this plot device, right? So let's ask. Rian, in your world, does astral projection mean someone is essentially a hallucination and, therefore, can't engage in a real fight...or does it mean they can physically do things like hand off a set of gold dice? Because I'm confused by the fact that you showed us both. Let's see how he answers.... LOL, no it doesn't. People think that the PT revised the OT, but it really is the other way around. Put them in the right order, and I'm really, really, good with how the Force has gone. I'm not Rian, but if I was, I would say the projection is powerful enough to a project pair of dice solid enough to hold. And that Luke finally learned at the end of Return of the Jedi that the whole point of the Light, was not to fight anyway. Based on this, no one fires a weapon in Ep. IX, right? They're all just going to sit around and play furry furry rabbit with each other? Hey, why not? Once Kylo and Rey finally fuck, everybody will just calm down. Leia will give Armitage a motherly hug (which he desperately needs), Poe will only put on air shows in his X wing and rancors will lie down with banthas. Jerusalem will be saved. Armageddon averted. Force Ghost Han will walk in and wink at everyone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:54:28 GMT
I don't think that. I think the PT and OT work together great. So since we agree on that, why don't you tell me why the writers of the ST feel like they can undo things already established in the first six films? Okay, but that right there is some pussy shit. I think the PT and OT work together great as well. What is undone in TLJ that was done in the first 6 films? Luke's character, the nature of the Force, the nature of Force Ghosts and my love of Star Wars just to name the first four that came to me in 10 seconds.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:58:01 GMT
LOL, no it doesn't. People think that the PT revised the OT, but it really is the other way around. Put them in the right order, and I'm really, really, good with how the Force has gone. I'm not Rian, but if I was, I would say the projection is powerful enough to a project pair of dice solid enough to hold. And that Luke finally learned at the end of Return of the Jedi that the whole point of the Light, was not to fight anyway. Based on this, no one fires a weapon in Ep. IX, right? They're all just going to sit around and play furry furry rabbit with each other? Hey, why not? Once Kylo and Rey finally fuck, everybody will just calm down. Leia will give Armitage a motherly hug (which he desperately needs), Poe will only put on air shows in his X wing and rancors will lie down with banthas. Jerusalem will be saved. Armageddon averted. Force Ghost Han will walk in and wink at everyone. If you want to mock the core message of the saga when it comes to how Luke handles things, how Yoda taught him on Dagobah, how he finally came to realize how he could defeat the Emperor, go right ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2017 23:58:58 GMT
I think the PT and OT work together great as well. What is undone in TLJ that was done in the first 6 films? Luke's character, the nature of the Force, the nature of Force Ghosts and my love of Star Wars just to name the first four that came to me in 10 seconds. The nature of the Force??? Let's pick that one . What's wrong with the nature of the Force here? I'm a big fan of the Force.
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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 0:02:30 GMT
Luke's character, the nature of the Force, the nature of Force Ghosts and my love of Star Wars just to name the first four that came to me in 10 seconds. The nature of the Force??? Let's pick that one . What's wrong with the nature of the Force here? I'm a big fan of the Force. They're taking liberties with it just to make some fun scenes...it's becoming the magic fans apparently want it to be. Harry Potter in space is not interesting to me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 0:03:51 GMT
The nature of the Force??? Let's pick that one . What's wrong with the nature of the Force here? I'm a big fan of the Force. They're taking liberties with it just to make some fun scenes...it's becoming the magic fans apparently want it to be. Harry Potter in space is not interesting to me. For example?
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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 1:13:17 GMT
They're taking liberties with it just to make some fun scenes...it's becoming the magic fans apparently want it to be. Harry Potter in space is not interesting to me. For example? The depictions of training and 'force abilities' in the film's so far. But I've already had this discussion. It differs too much from the source material for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 1:22:50 GMT
The depictions of training and 'force abilities' in the film's so far. But I've already had this discussion. It differs too much from the source material for me. In this film it does??
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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 1:55:35 GMT
The depictions of training and 'force abilities' in the film's so far. But I've already had this discussion. It differs too much from the source material for me. In this film it does?? That's implied, yes. Already discussed it at length with regards to TFA. ANYWAY.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 2:10:36 GMT
That's implied, yes. Already discussed it at length with regards to TFA. ANYWAY. I found Luke's talk of the Force with Rey the most refreshing in the saga since Dagobah. The Force treated as something greater than the arrogance of man. I'm not sure I'll be able to absorb all he says in another viewing, I may have to wait for it to come out for home viewing before I get it all.
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