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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 12:34:31 GMT
That's implied, yes. Already discussed it at length with regards to TFA. ANYWAY. I found Luke's talk of the Force with Rey the most refreshing in the saga since Dagobah. The Force treated as something greater than the arrogance of man. I'm not sure I'll be able to absorb all he says in another viewing, I may have to wait for it to come out for home viewing before I get it all. Yea, I already got all that from Yoda in the Clone Wars and in Rebels. Don't need to watch them regress Luke just to hear a few lines of dialogue. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 13:03:49 GMT
I found Luke's talk of the Force with Rey the most refreshing in the saga since Dagobah. The Force treated as something greater than the arrogance of man. I'm not sure I'll be able to absorb all he says in another viewing, I may have to wait for it to come out for home viewing before I get it all. Yea, I already got all that from Yoda in the Clone Wars and in Rebels. Don't need to watch them regress Luke just to hear a few lines of dialogue. Yeah, like all the viewers ever saw a single minute of a cartoon... This is what Luke was talking about. The arrogance of humanity. The force is for everyone not just for you die hard "fan". |
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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 14:17:56 GMT
Yea, I already got all that from Yoda in the Clone Wars and in Rebels. Don't need to watch them regress Luke just to hear a few lines of dialogue. Yeah, like all the viewers ever saw a single minute of a cartoon... This is what Luke was talking about. The arrogance of humanity. The force is for everyone not just for you die hard "fan". A true 'jedi', one with the force, would merely be a stoic. They'd also be non-confrontational. Bringing balance is not an act of a neutral energy, it's directed action. So, they're all hypocrites. Yoda says as much in Rebels. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 14:24:42 GMT
Yeah, like all the viewers ever saw a single minute of a cartoon... This is what Luke was talking about. The arrogance of humanity. The force is for everyone not just for you die hard "fan". A true 'jedi', one with the force, would merely be a stoic. They'd also be non-confrontational. Bringing balance is not an act of a neutral energy, it's directed action. So, they're all hypocrites. Yoda says as much in Rebels. And it took Luke all these years to balance both. He died a true Jedi. Not engaging but taking action. Perfect. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 14:51:48 GMT
That's implied, yes. Already discussed it at length with regards to TFA. ANYWAY. I found Luke's talk of the Force with Rey the most refreshing in the saga since Dagobah. The Force treated as something greater than the arrogance of man. I'm not sure I'll be able to absorb all he says in another viewing, I may have to wait for it to come out for home viewing before I get it all. Ugh. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 14:55:07 GMT
Based on this, no one fires a weapon in Ep. IX, right? They're all just going to sit around and play furry furry rabbit with each other? Hey, why not? Once Kylo and Rey finally fuck, everybody will just calm down. Leia will give Armitage a motherly hug (which he desperately needs), Poe will only put on air shows in his X wing and rancors will lie down with banthas. Jerusalem will be saved. Armageddon averted. Force Ghost Han will walk in and wink at everyone. If you want to mock the core message of the saga when it comes to how Luke handles things, how Yoda taught him on Dagobah, how he finally came to realize how he could defeat the Emperor, go right ahead. Yoda's message was consistent from ROTS through TESB: The Emperor and his apprentice must be killed. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that Yoda taught Luke not to fight. It was Luke's idea to try to turn his father. Yoda and Obi Wan were against that idea. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 14:55:23 GMT
That's implied, yes. Already discussed it at length with regards to TFA. ANYWAY. I found Luke's talk of the Force with Rey the most refreshing in the saga since Dagobah. The Force treated as something greater than the arrogance of man. I'm not sure I'll be able to absorb all he says in another viewing, I may have to wait for it to come out for home viewing before I get it all. Yeah... That scene was so good. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 14:58:10 GMT
If you want to mock the core message of the saga when it comes to how Luke handles things, how Yoda taught him on Dagobah, how he finally came to realize how he could defeat the Emperor, go right ahead. Yoda's message was consistent from ROTS through TESB: The Emperor and his apprentice must be killed. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that Yoda taught Luke not to fight. It was Luke's idea to try to turn his father. Yoda and Obi Wan were against that idea. And what, in this movie goes against Luke's previous characterization? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 14:58:34 GMT
Luke's character, the nature of the Force, the nature of Force Ghosts and my love of Star Wars just to name the first four that came to me in 10 seconds. The nature of the Force??? Let's pick that one . What's wrong with the nature of the Force here? I'm a big fan of the Force. For one, the Force does stuff on its own in these films. Previous to the ST, use of the Force was a symbiotic exchange between living flesh and spiritual power. The only example pre-Disney had to do with the nature of the imbalance in the Force, which is a pretty good exception considering it's the crisis that drives the entire saga. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 15:00:02 GMT
The nature of the Force??? Let's pick that one . What's wrong with the nature of the Force here? I'm a big fan of the Force. For one, the Force does stuff on its own in these films. Previous to the ST, use of the Force was a symbiotic exchange between living flesh and spiritual power. The only example pre-Disney had to do with the nature of the imbalance in the Force, which is a pretty good exception considering it's the crisis that drives the entire saga. No, pre-disney, the force created the chosen one and was symbiotic because of midichlorians. We are talking movies here. not EU or other mediums. |
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Post by Winter_King on Dec 19, 2017 15:03:46 GMT
Well let's look at the options... 1. Luke faces down the First Order for real and dies at the hands of Kylo. - Anybody ready to accept Kylo defeating Luke hand to hand after Rey beat Kylo? He faces down the the first Order including countless stormtroopers and AT-ATs and dies but not before severely injuring Kylo Ren and killing countless nameless mooks? Yes, I think people would accept Luke going out like a badass. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 15:07:58 GMT
The nature of the Force??? Let's pick that one . What's wrong with the nature of the Force here? I'm a big fan of the Force. For one, the Force does stuff on its own in these films. Previous to the ST, use of the Force was a symbiotic exchange between living flesh and spiritual power. The only example pre-Disney had to do with the nature of the imbalance in the Force, which is a pretty good exception considering it's the crisis that drives the entire saga. What does the force do on it's own? Genuine question. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:20:58 GMT
Yoda's message was consistent from ROTS through TESB: The Emperor and his apprentice must be killed. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that Yoda taught Luke not to fight. It was Luke's idea to try to turn his father. Yoda and Obi Wan were against that idea. And what, in this movie goes against Luke's previous characterization? Are you kidding? Please feel free to review my posts in other threads, including those that quoted you. I'm starting to eyeball you sideways now.  |
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 19, 2017 15:24:25 GMT
The nature of the Force??? Let's pick that one . What's wrong with the nature of the Force here? I'm a big fan of the Force. They're taking liberties with it just to make some fun scenes... it's becoming the magic fans apparently want it to be. Harry Potter in space is not interesting to me.Exactly what I hi-lighted in bold! I had a conversation about this regarding TFA on a forum. Someone was defending it. The conversation eventually progressed to me saying "Well if the Force is going to be like certain things that I saw in TFA, then in the next movie we will have Rey using the Force to fly around and fly through space!" Well guess what happened in TLJ?!?... Mary Poppins Leia!!!LOL!! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:26:01 GMT
For one, the Force does stuff on its own in these films. Previous to the ST, use of the Force was a symbiotic exchange between living flesh and spiritual power. The only example pre-Disney had to do with the nature of the imbalance in the Force, which is a pretty good exception considering it's the crisis that drives the entire saga. No, pre-disney, the force created the chosen one and was symbiotic because of midichlorians. We are talking movies here. not EU or other mediums. Which is what I just said. The event that led to the creation of the Chosen One was the same event that led to the imbalance in the Force. So you're correcting me by agreeing with me. The only time the Force acted out on its own was when the imbalance in the Force occurred. Glad we agree on it. Then you repeated what I said - "it's symbiotic" - and acted like it was a disagreement by defining it through midi-chlorians. I already knew that and assumed any other decent SW fan knew that, so didn't feel the need to clarify. And so, good, let's just talk movies. In the movies, the Force never acted on its own. It was always symbiotic. Until the ST. Right? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:27:16 GMT
For one, the Force does stuff on its own in these films. Previous to the ST, use of the Force was a symbiotic exchange between living flesh and spiritual power. The only example pre-Disney had to do with the nature of the imbalance in the Force, which is a pretty good exception considering it's the crisis that drives the entire saga. What does the force do on it's own? Genuine question. Calls out to Rey through the blue light saber in TFA. Saves Carries Poppins in TLJ. |
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 15:27:55 GMT
And what, in this movie goes against Luke's previous characterization? Are you kidding? Please feel free to review my posts in other threads, including those that quoted you. I'm starting to eyeball you sideways now. Oh it's you, didn't notice, carry on... |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:42:31 GMT
If you want to mock the core message of the saga when it comes to how Luke handles things, how Yoda taught him on Dagobah, how he finally came to realize how he could defeat the Emperor, go right ahead. Yoda's message was consistent from ROTS through TESB: The Emperor and his apprentice must be killed. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that Yoda taught Luke not to fight. It was Luke's idea to try to turn his father. Yoda and Obi Wan were against that idea. "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack."...,"You must confront Vader" |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:48:26 GMT
The nature of the Force??? Let's pick that one . What's wrong with the nature of the Force here? I'm a big fan of the Force. For one, the Force does stuff on its own in these films. Previous to the ST, use of the Force was a symbiotic exchange between living flesh and spiritual power. The only example pre-Disney had to do with the nature of the imbalance in the Force, which is a pretty good exception considering it's the crisis that drives the entire saga. Please give me an example of this in this film. Then we will go to Dagobah and talk about the cave. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 15:48:47 GMT
Yoda's message was consistent from ROTS through TESB: The Emperor and his apprentice must be killed. I'm not sure where you're getting this idea that Yoda taught Luke not to fight. It was Luke's idea to try to turn his father. Yoda and Obi Wan were against that idea. "A Jedi uses the Force for knowledge and defense, never for attack."...,"You must confront Vader" Do as I say not as I do? Or was that someone else catapulting around the Senate floor? Yoda was unconvinced that Vader could be turned. So what then, in your opinion, did he mean by "confront." |
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