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Post by ryboto on Dec 19, 2017 17:08:03 GMT
Calls out to Rey through the blue light saber in TFA. Saves Carries Poppins in TLJ. Well we saw the cave in esb calling to luke. The Force does that from time to time. No news there. Leia saved herself. It doesn't call to him, he senses the stain of the dark side. A dark jedi died there. The force didn't create Anakin, Palpatine implies either he did, or his master did. The force is just energy, it doesn't have a conscience.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 19, 2017 17:08:43 GMT
Are you talking about when Anakin was dreaming? You do know that dreaming is a state of semi-consciousness, right? It's not the same thing as being unconscious. Ok, it was a Syncope then. Happy? You and I both know she didn't faint.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:09:48 GMT
Well we saw the cave in esb calling to luke. The Force does that from time to time. No news there. Leia saved herself. It doesn't call to him, he senses the stain of the dark side. A dark jedi died there. The force didn't create Anakin, Palpatine implies either he did, or his master did. The force is just energy, it doesn't have a conscience. Rey senses luke and anakin in the lighsaber, what's the difference?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:10:21 GMT
I'm not even sure what you're saying right now. Let's simplify: you claim Leia saved herself by flying through outer space. I would like for you to define how she was able to make this decision without being conscious. I'm saying she came to, and used the Force to pull herself to safety, before collapsing at that door. She sure looked conscious to me as she flew. Are you saying her limp body flew to the door? Listen, if you think she got blown up, marooned in space where she can't breath, somehow the lack of oxygen worked to her advantage and woke her up, she then propelled (not "pulled") herself to safety using powers never before seen in SW lore and then passed out - again - well, I guess you got me. But no, what I saw was not Leia waking up. I saw a certain-to-be-dead Leia invigorated by the Force itself, animated by the Force itself, delivered to safety and returned by the Force to her unconscious, inanimate state of being once delivered. That's what I saw. Maybe I saw it wrong.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:10:38 GMT
Ok, it was a Syncope then. Happy? You and I both know she didn't faint. She died?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:11:25 GMT
Indeed... How can a concept so easy to understand like wake up be so difficult to some. You're out of gas. We're done.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 19, 2017 17:11:30 GMT
Indeed... How can a concept so easy to understand like wake up be so difficult to some. Well for starters, she couldn't have woke up under those conditions anyway. You're own link you posted on another thread pointed to proof of that. LOL!
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 19, 2017 17:14:50 GMT
I'm saying she came to, and used the Force to pull herself to safety, before collapsing at that door. She sure looked conscious to me as she flew. Are you saying her limp body flew to the door? Listen, if you think she got blown up, marooned in space where she can't breath, somehow the lack of oxygen worked to her advantage and woke her up, she then propelled (not "pulled") herself to safety using powers never before seen in SW lore and then passed out - again - well, I guess you got me. But no, what I saw was not Leia waking up. I saw a certain-to-be-dead Leia invigorated by the Force itself, animated by the Force itself, delivered to safety and returned by the Force to her unconscious, inanimate state of being once delivered. That's what I saw. Maybe I saw it wrong. Notice how ridiculous that scenario sounds - even for someone with Force powers! But that's what they're determined to defend.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:14:51 GMT
Indeed... How can a concept so easy to understand like wake up be so difficult to some. Well for starters, she couldn't have woke up under those conditions anyway. You're own link you posted on another thread pointed to proof of that. LOL! Doubtful the link was even read all the way through.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:22:17 GMT
I'm saying she came to, and used the Force to pull herself to safety, before collapsing at that door. She sure looked conscious to me as she flew. Are you saying her limp body flew to the door? Listen, if you think she got blown up, marooned in space where she can't breath, somehow the lack of oxygen worked to her advantage and woke her up, she then propelled (not "pulled") herself to safety using powers never before seen in SW lore and then passed out - again - well, I guess you got me. But no, what I saw was not Leia waking up. I saw a certain-to-be-dead Leia invigorated by the Force itself, animated by the Force itself, delivered to safety and returned by the Force to her unconscious, inanimate state of being once delivered. That's what I saw. Maybe I saw it wrong. I think the simpler explanation is that she came to and used the Force and went unconscious again, vs that complicated mess. Maybe a rehash of Luke vs. the Wampa if anything.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:24:10 GMT
Indeed... How can a concept so easy to understand like wake up be so difficult to some. Well for starters, she couldn't have woke up under those conditions anyway. You're own link you posted on another thread pointed to proof of that. LOL! The link said it was possible to survive, not that it's an instant death. She wasn't dead, just knocked out. What's the leaps you have to make to beleive that? It goes against an established in movie canon or something? Next thing you will defend that we ear sound in space because there is air in the galaxy even a small ammount.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:26:32 GMT
Listen, if you think she got blown up, marooned in space where she can't breath, somehow the lack of oxygen worked to her advantage and woke her up, she then propelled (not "pulled") herself to safety using powers never before seen in SW lore and then passed out - again - well, I guess you got me. But no, what I saw was not Leia waking up. I saw a certain-to-be-dead Leia invigorated by the Force itself, animated by the Force itself, delivered to safety and returned by the Force to her unconscious, inanimate state of being once delivered. That's what I saw. Maybe I saw it wrong. I think the simpler explanation is that she came to and used the Force and went unconscious again, vs that complicated mess. Maybe a rehash of Luke vs. the Wampa if anything. Sure, two problems with that, though. Luke had oxygen and Luke had only taken a knock on the head. Leia was blown out of a space craft (let's just ignore the fact that there is no scientific way you can explain how the concussive force alone wouldn't have shredded her body) and did not have oxygen. The suggestion that Leia regained consciousness without oxygen is laughable.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:28:24 GMT
I think the simpler explanation is that she came to and used the Force and went unconscious again, vs that complicated mess. Maybe a rehash of Luke vs. the Wampa if anything. Sure, two problems with that, though. Luke had oxygen and Luke had only taken a knock on the head. Leia was blown out of a space craft (let's just ignore the fact that there is no scientific way you can explain how the concussive force alone wouldn't have shredded her body) and did not have oxygen. The suggestion that Leia regained consciousness without oxygen is laughable. The concept of sound in space is laughable...Yet you accept it as is. How come?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:29:51 GMT
List all the aggressive things Yoda taught Luke here please, and we will see which one of us has evidence for their "conjecture" and which one of us doesn't as far as what Luke was trained by Yoda to actually do. Let's start with the fact that he uses the word confrontation. But okay, confrontation can mean many things. Yoda also says they must be stopped and ends with "only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer Vader and his Emperor." My quiver contains these arrows: confront, stop, conquer, the words that Yoda uses with Luke regarding what should happen. Yoda's own, past behavior. Obi Wan's reinforcement that Vader - specifically - should be killed. I'm already aware of the cave argument, which I totally disagree on the exact way that's supposed to be interpreted (Luke failed because he gave in to fear and the dark side, not because he slayed "Vader."). What else ya got? I'm at work at home, but I have years of writings on this subject when I get home. The Jedi Training of the OT given to Luke by Yoda was a defensive one driven by blind faith in the Force. The OT carries an arc for Yoda in his concept of the Force that can be easily seen if the story is taken in sequential order but it is clouded by prequel haters who disregard them and by prequel lovers who want them to clarify the OT, not the way it works in the order the story is told. Saga lovers see this arc.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:29:57 GMT
Sure, two problems with that, though. Luke had oxygen and Luke had only taken a knock on the head. Leia was blown out of a space craft (let's just ignore the fact that there is no scientific way you can explain how the concussive force alone wouldn't have shredded her body) and did not have oxygen. The suggestion that Leia regained consciousness without oxygen is laughable. The concept of sound in space is laughable...Yet you accept it as is. How come? WTF are you talking about. I've never said that.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:30:34 GMT
The concept of sound in space is laughable...Yet you accept it as is. How come? WTF are you talking about. I've never said that. No? then how do you ear the spaceships in space?
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 19, 2017 17:30:40 GMT
Listen, if you think she got blown up, marooned in space where she can't breath, somehow the lack of oxygen worked to her advantage and woke her up, she then propelled (not "pulled") herself to safety using powers never before seen in SW lore and then passed out - again - well, I guess you got me. But no, what I saw was not Leia waking up. I saw a certain-to-be-dead Leia invigorated by the Force itself, animated by the Force itself, delivered to safety and returned by the Force to her unconscious, inanimate state of being once delivered. That's what I saw. Maybe I saw it wrong. I think the simpler explanation is that she came to and used the Force and went unconscious again, vs that complicated mess. Maybe a rehash of Luke vs. the Wampa if anything. How would she return to consciousness with no oxygen supply (which reinforces and strengthens the condition of unconsciousness? And even if you ignore that, the length of time she was already out there at that temperature would've made her as stiff as a pop-sickle?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:30:58 GMT
Let's start with the fact that he uses the word confrontation. But okay, confrontation can mean many things. Yoda also says they must be stopped and ends with "only a fully trained Jedi Knight with the Force as his ally will conquer Vader and his Emperor." My quiver contains these arrows: confront, stop, conquer, the words that Yoda uses with Luke regarding what should happen. Yoda's own, past behavior. Obi Wan's reinforcement that Vader - specifically - should be killed. I'm already aware of the cave argument, which I totally disagree on the exact way that's supposed to be interpreted (Luke failed because he gave in to fear and the dark side, not because he slayed "Vader."). What else ya got? I'm at work at home, but I have years of writings on this subject when I get home. The Jedi Training of the OT given to Luke by Yoda was a defensive one driven by blind faith in the Force. The OT carries an arc for Yoda in his concept of the Force that can be easily seen if the story is taken in sequential order but it is clouded by prequel haters who disregard them and by prequel lovers who want them to clarify the OT, not the way it works in the order the story is told. Saga lovers see this arc. I look forward to your essay.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2017 17:33:10 GMT
WTF are you talking about. I've never said that. No? then how do you ear the spaceships in space? You're joking, right? Will somebody please tell me this person is joking right now? I don't believe I have clairvoyance, time-traveling capabilities, telepathy or omnipresence either, but somehow I know what all these characters in all these movies are doing, what they're thinking, what their motivations are and I can see their pasts/presents/futures too. How am I doing all of that?
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Post by mcufan on Dec 19, 2017 17:33:28 GMT
I think the simpler explanation is that she came to and used the Force and went unconscious again, vs that complicated mess. Maybe a rehash of Luke vs. the Wampa if anything. How would she return to consciousness with no oxygen supply (which reinforces and strengthens the condition of unconsciousness? And even if you ignore that, the length of time she was already out there at that temperature would've made her as stiff as a pop-sickle? actually the popsicle thing is false but moving on. Answer me this; how do you ear the spaceships in space?
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