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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 20:08:37 GMT
Says who? Where is that implied? “When 900 years old, you reach… Look as good, you will not.” Implying Luke can reach 900 years old. Hmmmm, I'm gonna go with... no. That was Yoda JOKING. Not implying or being literal. I think that was understood. You're grasping a bit there, my friend.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 20:14:22 GMT
Says who? Where is that implied? The only thing I've read in the EU that's similar, is that they can use the force to heal and to a lesser extent, slow aging, but it's a specific use of the force, it isn't some passive function that happens just because you use the force. “When 900 years old, you reach… Look as good, you will not.” Implying Luke can reach 900 years old. There is nothing in the canon or the EU that implies that human Jedis live hundreds of years longer than their normal life span because of the Force. That's an assumption on your part. But it doesn't surprise me given our conversation on another thread.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 20:19:38 GMT
So is there no belief that being attuned to The Force can extend your life? In effect making cells more robust? Medichlorians are dumb, but they are canon and could easily be something that makes you more resilient. I have always believed that Yoda only aged to 900 years due to his deep connection with The Force. And I believed it was because he's a little green alien. Obi-Wan aged like a normal human... Yes ObiWan did. And there was a female Jedi of Yoda's species on the Council in AOTC. She was some 400 years old at the time.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 20:20:17 GMT
“When 900 years old, you reach… Look as good, you will not.” Implying Luke can reach 900 years old. There is nothing in the canon or the EU that implies that human Jedis live hundreds of years longer than their normal life span because of the Force. That's an assumption on your part. But it doesn't surprise me given our conversation on another thread. So this all powerful force that ties all things together can only be used to move things around and shoot lightning...oh, and mind control. Oh and bring a conscious spirit back from the dead. And make you able to run incredibly fast and survive a jump from extreme heights. And increase your dexterity and fighting ability. But it can't make you healthier and extend your life. Good to know.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 20:22:54 GMT
“When 900 years old, you reach… Look as good, you will not.” Implying Luke can reach 900 years old. Hmmmm, I'm gonna go with... no. That was Yoda JOKING. Not implying or being literal. I think that was understood. You're grasping a bit there, my friend. He only asked for an implication. I just find it amazing that NOBODY here agrees that Yoda aged to 900 years because of his connection with The Force. And also that they are SO opposed to the idea that they need to argue actively AGAINST it.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 20:24:30 GMT
And I believed it was because he's a little green alien. Obi-Wan aged like a normal human... Yes ObiWan did. And there was a female Jedi of Yoda's species on the Council in AOTC. She was some 400 years old at the time. So you're saying that another Jedi Master was able to reach 400 years old.
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Post by outrider127 on Dec 20, 2017 20:29:17 GMT
How would she return to consciousness with no oxygen supply (which reinforces and strengthens the condition of unconsciousness? And even if you ignore that, the length of time she was already out there at that temperature would've made her as stiff as a pop-sickle? So are you arguing science here, because I'll readily accept that as a flaw, but to explain that the Force took control of her and did all that is reading something into the story. Does the Force cause sound in space, allow fire in space, or any of the other unscientific possibilities we have seen in these movies? no. It's a flawed scene, and I do believe that the Force is sentient, but I wouldn't use that bad scene to make a case for it. She just woke up, plain and simple, and if one wants to make the case that it's a flaw because she shouldn't be able to, go ahead. Flawed indeed, that scene has been ridiculed ad infinitum by fans--She should have just died,if not in that scene, then another, actually she should have just died in TFA, enough of her already
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Post by ryboto on Dec 20, 2017 20:36:09 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm gonna go with... no. That was Yoda JOKING. Not implying or being literal. I think that was understood. You're grasping a bit there, my friend. He only asked for an implication. I just find it amazing that NOBODY here agrees that Yoda aged to 900 years because of his connection with The Force. Well, that's because your interpretation is different from theirs. Plageuis supposedly honed the skill to prolong life. So, it's doable, but it's an active use of the force, it isn't some inherent ability like enhanced reaction times or senses. Most of the force powers you mention are just telekinesis. use the force to push your body fast, use the force to brace from impact...use the force to push, to throw..all the same ability, just directed in different ways.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 20, 2017 20:38:42 GMT
Yes ObiWan did. And there was a female Jedi of Yoda's species on the Council in AOTC. She was some 400 years old at the time. So you're saying that another Jedi Master was able to reach 400 years old. I'm saying that a Jedi of Yoda's species does but human ones don't. But your efforts to reinterpret what I say by being obtuse is cute.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Dec 20, 2017 20:41:35 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm gonna go with... no. That was Yoda JOKING. Not implying or being literal. I think that was understood. You're grasping a bit there, my friend. He only asked for an implication. I just find it amazing that NOBODY here agrees that Yoda aged to 900 years because of his connection with The Force. And also that they are SO opposed to the idea that they need to argue actively AGAINST it. I see what you're saying. BUT... we see nothing in SW that says humans age any differently than they do irl. Obi Wan was an old guy and he used the force. Han was somewhat older than Luke and Leia. Tarkin was an old guy. Palpatine was old guy.
It was only when it came to the aliens that we were ever told that they aged differently: Yoda aging 900 years. Chewie aging 200(?) years. Jabba having lived long enough to encounter Jedi in his past.
But it is an interesting idea, and I wouldn't be surprised if someone retconned it in, in a future movie.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 20:44:43 GMT
Let's just hope that the Journals are unchanged from George's vision when they are revealed in episode 9. You're assuming that they WILL be reveled in Ep 9. If it goes the way TLJ did the books might just slip out of Rey's hand into a campfire. Or she might open them and they don't say anything at all. Or better yet, THEY'RE JUST ILLUSIONS AND THEY FADE AWAY FROM EXERTION. Following suit with TLJ's style, they won't even be referenced.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 20:48:46 GMT
Another issue to discuss:
Snoke brought together the minds of Rey and Kylo in a bid to manipulate them. That means he also united their minds with his own as he was the one doing the deed. A kind of three way mind meld. All this over many light years that separated them, and seemingly with no sweat.
Yet Luke cant cast an illusion without dying from exertion?
Wouldn't Luke be as strong in the force, at this point of his mastery, as Snoke?
Thoughts? LOL!!!!! How the fuck would I know? I don't know SHIT about Snoke, lol!lol! lol! /maniacal laughter shifts into shoulder-heaving sobs of sadness
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 20:53:54 GMT
Says who? Where is that implied? The only thing I've read in the EU that's similar, is that they can use the force to heal and to a lesser extent, slow aging, but it's a specific use of the force, it isn't some passive function that happens just because you use the force. “When 900 years old, you reach… Look as good, you will not.” Implying Luke can reach 900 years old.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 20:56:12 GMT
So you're saying that another Jedi Master was able to reach 400 years old. I'm saying that a Jedi of Yoda's species does but human ones don't. But your efforts to reinterpret what I say by being obtuse is cute. Can I get canonical proof of that?
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 21:00:33 GMT
He only asked for an implication. I just find it amazing that NOBODY here agrees that Yoda aged to 900 years because of his connection with The Force. Well, that's because your interpretation is different from theirs. Plageuis supposedly honed the skill to prolong life. So, it's doable, but it's an active use of the force, it isn't some inherent ability like enhanced reaction times or senses. Most of the force powers you mention are just telekinesis. use the force to push your body fast, use the force to brace from impact...use the force to push, to throw..all the same ability, just directed in different ways. Agreed. But mind control and conscious projections from beyond death? And NOBODY thinks that maybe...just maybe...the Force gives a little bit more vitality life force to those who are sensitive to it? THIS is what I find crazy about the entire discussion of this point. That somehow, the concept of a bit more resilience being imparted by the force, or at least Midichlorians, is incomprehensible, but conscious existence and interaction from beyond the grave is a given.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 21:00:49 GMT
Hmmmm, I'm gonna go with... no. That was Yoda JOKING. Not implying or being literal. I think that was understood. You're grasping a bit there, my friend. He only asked for an implication. I just find it amazing that NOBODY here agrees that Yoda aged to 900 years because of his connection with The Force. And also that they are SO opposed to the idea that they need to argue actively AGAINST it. Wow, first we got a TLJ fan on the board who can't think of a time Luke watched someone he loved get murdered by Vader. Now we got one who thinks Yoda a.) lived 900 years because of the Force and b.) was honestly suggesting Luke should try it sometime. TLJ was indeed divisive. And I think we are starting to identify both the cause and depth of the division.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 21:04:10 GMT
He only asked for an implication. I just find it amazing that NOBODY here agrees that Yoda aged to 900 years because of his connection with The Force. Well, that's because your interpretation is different from theirs. Plageuis supposedly honed the skill to prolong life. So, it's doable, but it's an active use of the force, it isn't some inherent ability like enhanced reaction times or senses. And that was unique to Plagueis. He was the only sentient I am aware of who could manipulate midi-chlorians to his will. And even though he could regenerate organic tissue, it became tainted each time he reinvigorated it to the point where even he could not save it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2017 21:15:24 GMT
Well, that's because your interpretation is different from theirs. Plageuis supposedly honed the skill to prolong life. So, it's doable, but it's an active use of the force, it isn't some inherent ability like enhanced reaction times or senses. Most of the force powers you mention are just telekinesis. use the force to push your body fast, use the force to brace from impact...use the force to push, to throw..all the same ability, just directed in different ways. Agreed. But mind control and conscious projections from beyond death? And NOBODY thinks that maybe...just maybe...the Force gives a little bit more vitality life force to those who are sensitive to it? THIS is what I find crazy about the entire discussion of this point. That somehow, the concept of a bit more resilience being imparted by the force, or at least Midichlorians, is incomprehensible, but conscious existence and interaction from beyond the grave is a given. Uh, the latter is a "given" because it was literally given to us in the first film of the saga as an example of what can be achieved by the Force. The former has never even been implied in canon and the reason everyone is rejecting it as an idea is because canon is very clear about how the Force works (well, I should say, it was until the ST and now they've mucked it all up) and that ain't how the Force works. Force users aren't akin to mutants in the MCU. They don't have the Force flowing through their veins. They have midi-chlorians flowing through their veins which they interact with. In turn, those midi-chlorians interact with the Force. The logistics of this negate the possibility of what you're suggesting. But don't worry! I'm sure Disney will continue to evolve the Force into what you're talking about, in fact, I think that's precisely what those damn dirty apes intend to do.
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Post by ryboto on Dec 20, 2017 21:17:34 GMT
Well, that's because your interpretation is different from theirs. Plageuis supposedly honed the skill to prolong life. So, it's doable, but it's an active use of the force, it isn't some inherent ability like enhanced reaction times or senses. Most of the force powers you mention are just telekinesis. use the force to push your body fast, use the force to brace from impact...use the force to push, to throw..all the same ability, just directed in different ways. Agreed. But mind control and conscious projections from beyond death? And NOBODY thinks that maybe...just maybe...the Force gives a little bit more vitality life force to those who are sensitive to it? THIS is what I find crazy about the entire discussion of this point. That somehow, the concept of a bit more resilience being imparted by the force, or at least Midichlorians, is incomprehensible, but conscious existence and interaction from beyond the grave is a given. The force is energy...apparently it can influence minds when used a certain way. It can influence matter, and energy. Apparently you can exist as consciousness inside the force if you've achieved the right amount of connection with the force(explained in CWAS)...I imagine a biological process occurs once you're that connected...it's sci-fi, so that's my explanation. The force doesn't give you anything...if anything, once you're that connected, you're less human than force-energy...Leia is definitely not at that point. The midichlorians, the force, they're just there, inert. Without the users conscious mind, there's no action, no sensing. So, no, I think your interpretation makes no sense relative to non-disney SW...but relative to this new garbage, sure, it can be whatever you like. It's just magic now.
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Post by Larcen26 on Dec 20, 2017 21:24:13 GMT
Agreed. But mind control and conscious projections from beyond death? And NOBODY thinks that maybe...just maybe...the Force gives a little bit more vitality life force to those who are sensitive to it? THIS is what I find crazy about the entire discussion of this point. That somehow, the concept of a bit more resilience being imparted by the force, or at least Midichlorians, is incomprehensible, but conscious existence and interaction from beyond the grave is a given. Uh, the latter is a "given" because it was literally given to us in the first film of the saga as an example of what can be achieved by the Force. The former has never even been implied in canon and the reason everyone is rejecting it as an idea is because canon is very clear about how the Force works (well, I should say, it was until the ST and now they've mucked it all up) and that ain't how the Force works. Force users aren't akin to mutants in the MCU. They don't have the Force flowing through their veins. They have midi-chlorians flowing through their veins which they interact with. In turn, those midi-chlorians interact with the Force. The logistics of this negate the possibility of what you're suggesting. But don't worry! I'm sure Disney will continue to evolve the Force into what you're talking about, in fact, I think that's precisely what those damn dirty apes intend to do. So if someone hypothetically harvested Anakin Skywalker's organs, they would become the most powerful Force wielder to have ever lived?
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