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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Dec 21, 2017 6:30:07 GMT
I love it!
It's the opposite angle from the view in A New Hope, providing a perfect bookend to Luke Skywalker's/Mark Hamill's 40-year onscreen journey and bringing it full circle.
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Post by sdrew13163 on Dec 21, 2017 7:39:13 GMT
It was beautifully shot.
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Post by miike80 on Dec 21, 2017 8:16:45 GMT
That's a part of the movie that's really great looking. The perfect bookend for Luke
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Post by Jedan Archer on Dec 21, 2017 10:23:44 GMT
It was nicely done indeed. What I do not get, the planet did not have two suns? I mean it seemed like a cold Northern water world, not a dry desert.
Oh well, that reminds me of TFA which had an Apocalypse Now shot with Ties (instead of helicopters) approaching before the red sunset. Only that the scene this shot was inserted into (Maz cantina attack) was really playing during bright daylight and the shot thus seemed "forced".
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 21, 2017 10:35:22 GMT
It was nicely done indeed. What I do not get, the planet did not have two sun? I mean it seemed like a Northern water world, not a dry desert.
Oh well, it reminds me of TFA which had a Apocalypse Now shot with Ties (instead of helicopters) approaching before the red sunset. Only that the scene it was inserted into (Maz cantina attack) playing during bright daylight and the shot thus seemed "forced". Wow! That's exactly what I was going to say. The fact that they came up with the idea was great. It's a perfect complement to Luke's death. But it did feel somewhat forced (no pun intended). What are the odds that planet would have twin suns? But the even bigger issue is... you mean to tell me he was on that planet alone, cutting himself off from the Force, pissed off and riddled with guilt; and he never looks at the twin sunsets until he dies. You would think that would be one of the lone bright spots in his life (according to the way they portrayed him). You would think he would've watched one every day he was there.
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Post by ShadowSouL: Padawan of Yoda on Dec 22, 2017 7:28:12 GMT
No, the planet he is on does not have two suns.
That's what he is seeing.
It's his reflection on the last 40 years of his life, going back to that seminal moment on Tattooine.
That's why it's a perfect bookend -- it's Luke, and us, reminiscing on his life and moving on to the next level.
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 22, 2017 7:41:25 GMT
It was nicely done indeed. What I do not get, the planet did not have two sun? I mean it seemed like a Northern water world, not a dry desert.
Oh well, it reminds me of TFA which had a Apocalypse Now shot with Ties (instead of helicopters) approaching before the red sunset. Only that the scene it was inserted into (Maz cantina attack) playing during bright daylight and the shot thus seemed "forced". Wow! That's exactly what I was going to say. The fact that they came up with the idea was great. It's a perfect complement to Luke's death. But it did feel somewhat forced (no pun intended). What are the odds that planet would have twin suns? But the even bigger issue is... you mean to tell me he was on that planet alone, cutting himself off from the Force, pissed off and riddled with guilt; and he never looks at the twin sunsets until he dies. You would think that would be one of the lone bright spots in his life (according to the way they portrayed him). You would think he would've watched one every day he was there. Luke went to an isolated island to die. He actually says so in the movie. He then put Leia and his friends in danger to protect his location. Han Solo died doing so - he was going to kick Rey and Finn off the Falcon until they mentioned Luke's name. Han died so Luke could selfishly sulk alone.
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Dec 22, 2017 8:58:39 GMT
Wow! That's exactly what I was going to say. The fact that they came up with the idea was great. It's a perfect complement to Luke's death. But it did feel somewhat forced (no pun intended). What are the odds that planet would have twin suns? But the even bigger issue is... you mean to tell me he was on that planet alone, cutting himself off from the Force, pissed off and riddled with guilt; and he never looks at the twin sunsets until he dies. You would think that would be one of the lone bright spots in his life (according to the way they portrayed him). You would think he would've watched one every day he was there. Luke went to an isolated island to die. He actually says so in the movie. He then put Leia and his friends in danger to protect his location. Han Solo died doing so - he was going to kick Rey and Finn off the Falcon until they mentioned Luke's name. Han died so Luke could selfishly sulk alone. I agree. It's just another issue I had with the characterization of Luke. On top of that, what was the map left for if Luke went off to completely isolate himself and wait to grow old and die? BB8's entire storyline in TFA started off with something that made no sense! It was a forced McGuffin. (But the way R2D2 woke up in TFA hinted at that anyway).
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 22, 2017 9:06:55 GMT
Luke went to an isolated island to die. He actually says so in the movie. He then put Leia and his friends in danger to protect his location. Han Solo died doing so - he was going to kick Rey and Finn off the Falcon until they mentioned Luke's name. Han died so Luke could selfishly sulk alone. I agree. It's just another issue I had with the characterization of Luke. On top of that, what was the map left for if Luke went off to completely isolate himself and wait to grow old and die? BB8's entire storyline in TFA started off with something that made no sense! It was a forced McGuffin. (But the way R2D2 woke up in TFA hinted at that anyway). Then after Han dies, Luke finally decides to come out of hiding. Does he assemble some kind military unit for him to lead against The First Order? No, he just walks out to face the whole First Order by himself. Again, throwing away any kind of concern for making sure his friend didn't die for nothing.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 22, 2017 9:14:07 GMT
I agree. It's just another issue I had with the characterization of Luke. On top of that, what was the map left for if Luke went off to completely isolate himself and wait to grow old and die? BB8's entire storyline in TFA started off with something that made no sense! It was a forced McGuffin. (But the way R2D2 woke up in TFA hinted at that anyway). Then after Han dies, Luke finally decides to come out of hiding. Does he assemble some kind military unit for him to lead against The First Order? No, he just walks out to face the whole First Order by himself. Again, throwing away any kind of concern for making sure his friend didn't die for nothing. Not even that. He just projected himself so the remnants could escape. What a wimp. If he knew how to do that he could grab those power converters in tosche station from the other side of the galaxy. (and have them shipped, of course) Luke was always a whiny brat prone to fits of rage like his father except in ROTJ where he was so arrogant and "saved" his father instead of killing him or throw him to rot in jail. No wonder Kylo Ren turn out evil with a shitty teacher like that, And that is before taking in account Last Jedi. I love the guy but he was always a flawed person.
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 22, 2017 9:20:59 GMT
Not even that. He just projected himself so the remnants could escape. What a wimp. If he knew how to do that he could grab those power converters in tosche station from the other side of the galaxy. (and have them shipped, of course) Luke was always a whiny brat except in ROTJ where he was so arrogant and "saved" his father instead of killing him or throw him to rot in jail. Not even that makes sense. "Luke" wants the Jedi to end. Luke goes to an island to die but goes through the effort of hiding his location from the one person (Snoke) we know for sure wants to kill him. Why do that? Luke being killed would bring an to the Jedi and his life. Luke would get both things he wants by simply allowing The First Order to find him. If anything, Luke should have went through the effort of delivering his plans right to Snoke.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 22, 2017 9:24:12 GMT
Not even that. He just projected himself so the remnants could escape. What a wimp. If he knew how to do that he could grab those power converters in tosche station from the other side of the galaxy. (and have them shipped, of course) Luke was always a whiny brat except in ROTJ where he was so arrogant and "saved" his father instead of killing him or throw him to rot in jail. Not even that makes sense. "Luke" wants the Jedi to end. Luke goes to an island to die but goes through the effort of hiding his location from the one person (Snoke) we know for sure wants to kill him. Why do that? Luke being killed would bring an to the Jedi and his life. Luke would get both things he wants by simply allowing The First Order to find him. If anything, Luke should have went through the effort of delivering his plans right to Snoke. I know Right?
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 22, 2017 9:33:42 GMT
I really wanted to like this movie, but nothing about Luke's part of the story makes sense.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 22, 2017 9:34:39 GMT
I really wanted to like this movie, but nothing about Luke's part of the story makes sense. Since his birth actually LOL what a moron right? LOL
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 22, 2017 9:38:18 GMT
Since his birth actually LOL what a moron right? LOL Oh, no. He's my favorite Star Wars character. I just didn't like his involvement at all in Episode 8. I didn't mind that he had gone missing before (and through) Episode 7 as I thought they would give a valid reason why in 8...they didn't.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 22, 2017 9:47:50 GMT
Since his birth actually LOL what a moron right? LOL Oh, no. He's my favorite Star Wars character. I just didn't like his involvement at all in Episode 8. I didn't mind that he had gone missing before (and through) Episode 7 as I thought they would give a valid reason why in 8...they didn't. OH, i'm sorry then. Guess he disapointed you in the end, uh? Funny thing i look at it from another view, i thought he was leaning toward the dark side and had to exile himself. He was always in the brinck like his father but didn't want to commit the sins of his father. I thought he was brave. From a certain point of view.
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 22, 2017 10:06:17 GMT
Oh, no. He's my favorite Star Wars character. I just didn't like his involvement at all in Episode 8. I didn't mind that he had gone missing before (and through) Episode 7 as I thought they would give a valid reason why in 8...they didn't. OH, i'm sorry then. Guess he disapointed you in the end, uh? Funny thing i look at it from another view, i thought he was leaning toward the dark side and had to exile himself. He was always in the brinck like his father but didn't want to commit the sins of his father. I thought he was brave. From a certain point of view. Yes, it has been very disappointing. They turned Luke into a selfish, cynical, sarcastic, asshole.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 22, 2017 10:08:55 GMT
OH, i'm sorry then. Guess he disapointed you in the end, uh? Funny thing i look at it from another view, i thought he was leaning toward the dark side and had to exile himself. He was always in the brinck like his father but didn't want to commit the sins of his father. I thought he was brave. From a certain point of view. Yes, it has been very disappointing. They turned Luke into a selfish, cynical, sarcastic, asshole. At least they didn't turn him into a cliched good guy falling to the dark side. For an instant i though they did.
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Post by shinnickneth on Dec 22, 2017 10:31:24 GMT
Yes, it has been very disappointing. They turned Luke into a selfish, cynical, sarcastic, asshole. At least they didn't turn him into a cliched good guy falling to the dark side. For an instant i though they did. I wouldn't have bought that either. Luke couldn't even be turned by Vader and The Emperor trying to seduce him to the Dark Side. I don't think anything could.
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Post by mcufan on Dec 22, 2017 11:26:16 GMT
At least they didn't turn him into a cliched good guy falling to the dark side. For an instant i though they did. I wouldn't have bought that either. Luke couldn't even be turned by Vader and The Emperor trying to seduce him to the Dark Side. I don't think anything could. I actually prefer a more flawed character. If i want someone that can't be subverted by anything i'll watch captain america. The constant struggle between good and evil inside him makes hima a compelling character. without it he's just a superman with force powers. urgh but to each his own i guess. peace.
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