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Post by captainbryce on Dec 23, 2017 23:08:45 GMT
Anyone ever notice how similar the story of comic book hero Superman is to the story of Jesus Christ? 1) Jesus = son of God. Superman = son of Jor-El   (El means “god” in Hebrew) 2) Jesus was adopted by humans. Kal-El was adopted by humans.   3) Jesus: “I am the truth, and the way, and the life.” Superman: “I’m here to fight for truth, and Justice in the American way”   Is Superman basically just a ripoff of the bible? |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 23, 2017 23:14:16 GMT
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Post by goz on Dec 23, 2017 23:22:45 GMT
I always wondered whether ( and how) superman and Lois Lane had sex...NOT so much Jesus!  |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 23, 2017 23:33:01 GMT
I always wondered whether ( and how) superman and Lois Lane had sex...NOT so much Jesus! Superman and Lois have sex in Superman II.  It is strongly implied in Superman Returns that the aforementioned encounter leads to an offspring.   In Superman II, Clark has sex with Lois after agreeing to give up his superpowers. However, in Superman Returns, “Jason”, her son seems to demonstrate superhuman strength, indicating that he somehow inherited Superman’s Kryptonian powers. This inconsistency seems to be a plothole. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 23, 2017 23:42:50 GMT
If I recollect properly, Superman was created as a fictional character to boost the morale of Americans who would be facing the Nazi "Aryan supermen" on the battlefield. Is this thread your way of implying that Jesus Christ was a fictional character as well, without actually coming out and saying it?
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Post by progressiveelement on Dec 23, 2017 23:54:46 GMT
I always wondered whether ( and how) superman and Lois Lane had sex...NOT so much Jesus! Superman and Lois have sex in Superman II. It is strongly implied in Superman Returns that the aforementioned encounter leads to an offspring. In Superman II, Clark has sex with Lois after agreeing to give up his superpowers. However, in Superman Returns, “Jason”, her son seems to demonstrate superhuman strength, indicating that he somehow inherited Superman’s Kryptonian powers. This inconsistency seems to be a plothole. In the Richard Donner Cut of Superman II, Clark has sex with Lois before giving up his powers. He also turned back time again to stick Zod and co back in the Phantom Zone ensuring that Zod never broke out, but that didn't change Superman taking Lois to the North Pole, and everyone is like "Huh?" thinking, something major happened but darn it we can't remember shit from the past few days. 👍 |
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Post by progressiveelement on Dec 24, 2017 0:00:51 GMT
If I recollect properly, Superman was created as a fictional character to boost the morale of Americans who would be facing the Nazi "Aryan supermen" on the battlefield. Is this thread your way of implying that Jesus Christ was a fictional character as well, without actually coming out and saying it? Superman as we know him debuted in 1938. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 24, 2017 0:04:56 GMT
If I recollect properly, Superman was created as a fictional character to boost the morale of Americans who would be facing the Nazi "Aryan supermen" on the battlefield. Is this thread your way of implying that Jesus Christ was a fictional character as well, without actually coming out and saying it? Superman as we know him debuted in 1938. And the Nazis as we know them invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938. The US began arming to deal with it around that same time, although hostilities did not become official until near the end of 1941.  |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Dec 24, 2017 0:16:16 GMT
I doubt it's a coincidence. The "Death of Superman" was essentially the Crucification (they both sacrifice themselves to save mankind, become resurrected)
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Post by progressiveelement on Dec 24, 2017 0:55:45 GMT
Superman as we know him debuted in 1938. And the Nazis as we know them invaded Czechoslovakia in 1938. The US began arming to deal with it around that same time, although hostilities did not become official until near the end of 1941. His creation was an amalgamation of influences via comic strips, adventure films, pulpy novels, etc. These include John Carter of Mars, Popeye, Zorro, Tarzan, Robin Hood, Doc Savage. Ironically, it was during the war years he was made the humanitarian good guy who tried to avoid violence. Before then, he was happy slapping crooks 100 feet through the air, and his actions were seen in the same way Batman and Spider-Man often are by dumb authorities, a vigilante menace making things worse. He did fight Nazis though in a cartoon....🙆 Batman followed in 1939. He too was very much a result of other influences, Zorro and Dracula being the most cited. The latter we should be grateful, because the original concept was just wrong. Imagine Robin with a batwing-like cloak.... |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Dec 24, 2017 1:06:01 GMT
For many young Jewish Americans, Superman is much more than the "Man of Steel".
His Kryptonian name means "Voice of God" in Hebrew
Superman's birth name, "Kal-El", can be translated to "Voice of God" in Hebrew. This fact has had a profound impact on Yiddish readers, many of whom come to see the super human extraterrestrial as something more than a mere superhero - someone that is literally divine. The impact of Superman's birth name is compounded by the fact that the suffix "-El" ("of God") is commonly associated with angels which, in Judaism, are flying, humanlike creatures with superhuman abilities.
Events in his childhood are similar to those experienced by Moses
An integral part of Superman / Clark Kent's backstory is his infantile exodus from his home planet of Krypton. The young Superman's birth parents, father Jor-El and mother Lara, pack him into a spaceship and send him rocketing into the black void of space moments before Krypton is destroyed. He lands on a strange and foreign world, Earth, and is adopted by natives that, due to the nature of his birth, he has very little in common with.
This mirrors the Biblical story of the birth and upbringing of Moses, who is by far one of the most important figures in Judaism. Moses, the story goes, was born to an Israelite mother living in Egypt who, due to a decree by the Egyptian pharaoh that called for the execution of all first-born male Hebrew children, sent her son adrift in a basket in the Nile river. The basket was then found by none other than the daughter of the Pharaoh himself, who then adopted Moses as her own.
The similarities between the two characters are abundantly clear: Moses / Superman forced to undergo an exodus from their people due to the threats against their lives, and then get adopted by people who are very different from themselves. It is no small wonder that young Jews look up to a superhero that is so much like one of Judaism's most influential figures.
The writer and artist who created Superman were Jewish
The creators of Superman, writer Jerry Siegel and artist Joe Shuster, were both born into Jewish families that emigrated to North America from Europe (Lithuania for the former and the Netherlands and Ukraine for the latter) in the early 20th century. Their Jewish backgrounds played a large role in the development of the superhero. Originally written as a villain, Siegel and Shuster reimagined the Man of Steel after the unabashedly anti-Semetic Adolf Hitler was elected as chancellor of Germany in 1933. Hitler, as part of his eugenics program, distorted Nietzsche's "superman" concept to fit the Aryan image he was ardently pushing on the German people and Siegel and Shuster decided that their Superman should be a Jewish-inspired force for good instead. This re imagination served as the template for the character we now know as Superman.
He feels like a stranger in a foreign land
As discussed above, Superman's creators were part of a generation of American children who were born to and raised by recent immigrants from Europe. People like Siegel and Shuster frequently felt like outsiders in their own county, as the language and customs found in their homes were strongly contrasted by what they found in the boisterous early 20th century American society. From childhood to adulthood, young Americans in Shuster and Spiegel's shoes had to work to be a part of - and contribute to - a society that was distinctly different than the one they were raised in. It is no coincidence that Superman, a native to an entirely different planet than Earth, was written to ultimately never be completely a part of the human society he swore to protect.
The suffix in his name, "-man", is also found in many Jewish names
Goldman, Freidman, Hyman, Adelman, and Eisenman are just a few of the many Yiddish surnames that feature the suffix "-man"; the similarity between Superman's name and the names common amongst their ethnic group is a fact that is not lost on many young Jews.
Superman is differentiated from other "-man" superheros in the eyes of Jewish Americans in that Superman is very much the Kryptonian's "true" persona; Superman's "Clark Kent" moniker is merely a mask he adopts to fit into human society. The men who adopt the personas of Spiderman and Batman are the opposite of Superman in that they rely on their alter egos, and the costumes and masks they don to become them, to fight crime. Superman, on other hand, is inherently more than a man and thus doesn't need a costume to be "Super".
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 24, 2017 1:56:26 GMT
Every Superman movie has made the same comparison.
They basically said Superman replaced God & Jesus altogether in BvS.
As an aside, Superman did not resurrect Lois Lane.
He went back in time and save her so she never died in the first place.
In this aspect, he may be more powerful than God since neither God or Jesus has ever gone back in time to change anything. of course, God exists in a space where going back in time is impossible.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Dec 24, 2017 2:00:45 GMT
Every Superman movie has made the same comparison. They basically said Superman replaced God & Jesus altogether in BvS. As an aside, Superman did not resurrect Lois Lane. He went back in time and save her so she never died in the first place. In this aspect, he may be more powerful than God since neither God or Jesus has ever gone back in time to change anything. of course, God exists in a space where going back in time is impossible. As opposed to this space where going back in time is possible?  |
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Post by goz on Dec 24, 2017 2:40:59 GMT
I always wondered whether ( and how) superman and Lois Lane had sex...NOT so much Jesus! Superman and Lois have sex in Superman II. It is strongly implied in Superman Returns that the aforementioned encounter leads to an offspring. In Superman II, Clark has sex with Lois after agreeing to give up his superpowers. However, in Superman Returns, “Jason”, her son seems to demonstrate superhuman strength, indicating that he somehow inherited Superman’s Kryptonian powers. This inconsistency seems to be a plothole. I don't recognise what happens to superman in latter day 'Superman' movies. The real superman was George Reeves in the original series. www.imdb.com/name/nm0001660/ |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 24, 2017 4:54:56 GMT
I doubt it's a coincidence. The "Death of Superman" was essentially the Crucification (they both sacrifice themselves to save mankind, become resurrected) That was going to be my next comparison, lol. But I had to get on a plane. |
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 24, 2017 6:05:52 GMT
Superman and Lois have sex in Superman II. It is strongly implied in Superman Returns that the aforementioned encounter leads to an offspring. In Superman II, Clark has sex with Lois after agreeing to give up his superpowers. However, in Superman Returns, “Jason”, her son seems to demonstrate superhuman strength, indicating that he somehow inherited Superman’s Kryptonian powers. This inconsistency seems to be a plothole. I don't recognise what happens to superman in latter day 'Superman' movies. The real superman was George Reeves in the original series. www.imdb.com/name/nm0001660/Haha, the “real” Superman. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 24, 2017 13:52:27 GMT
Every Superman movie has made the same comparison. They basically said Superman replaced God & Jesus altogether in BvS. As an aside, Superman did not resurrect Lois Lane. He went back in time and save her so she never died in the first place. In this aspect, he may be more powerful than God since neither God or Jesus has ever gone back in time to change anything. of course, God exists in a space where going back in time is impossible. As opposed to this space where going back in time is possible? Yes, the fictional space of the DC universe. |
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Dec 24, 2017 14:00:58 GMT
Superman is sexually active. He's living with Lois the in latest films and he's had a bunch of flings in the comics (I think Lois has been pregnant a few times.
Maybe one of his super powers is controlling semen propulsion
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Post by captainbryce on Dec 25, 2017 0:02:25 GMT
If I recollect properly, Superman was created as a fictional character to boost the morale of Americans who would be facing the Nazi "Aryan supermen" on the battlefield. You recall incorrectly. The creation of Superman was intended merely as a business venture from two young Jewish entrepreneur authors trying to sell a product. It took many attempts and incarnations before they got the character right (in order to be marketable). The plot elements from the storylines were adapted to reflect the attitudes of modern society at the time. A.C. Grayling, writing in The Spectator, traces Superman's stances through the decades, from his 1930s campaign against crime being relevant to a nation under the influence of Al Capone, through the 1940s and World War II, a period in which Superman helped sell war bonds, and into the 1950s, where Superman explored the new technological threats. I’d have thought that you’d know me better than this by now. When I’ve got something to say about something, I don’t need to make implications. Suffice it to say, whether one believes that Jesus Christ was a fictional character or a real person is entirely irrelevant to my point. |
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Post by theauxphou on Dec 25, 2017 8:25:57 GMT
If I recollect properly, Superman was created as a fictional character to boost the morale of Americans who would be facing the Nazi "Aryan supermen" on the battlefield. Is this thread your way of implying that Jesus Christ was a fictional character as well, without actually coming out and saying it? He may or may not have been fictional, but he was definitely not supernatural [like Superman]. |
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