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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 27, 2017 18:05:01 GMT
Can someone explain this mentality the Fox-Men fans( like summers8) have? So the company that gave birth to the property half a century ago and has established such a rich history of characters and stories which have all served as inspiration to the films that the Fox-Men fans adore would have fairly little understanding of the property they created when they eventually make their own film set in the MCU? But Fox, the old Fox before Disney's acquisition, who never really wanted to make X-Men movies in the first place( They wanted Spider-Man's movie rights instead) "gets" the property more than they ever could and will? I mean is that why Bobby isn't a fun loving, energetic, jokey youth like in the source material and is instead bland and no-nonsense in the films he's appeared in?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 18:08:31 GMT
BECAUSE HUMOR, JUDGE! NO FILM SERIES THAT FEATURES HUMOR CAN EVER UNDERSTAND THE X-MEN'S PAIN!!
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 27, 2017 18:17:27 GMT
Fox had a good run. Hopefully Marvel Studios does a good job with it as well.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 27, 2017 18:22:24 GMT
BECAUSE HUMOR, JUDGE! NO FILM SERIES THAT FEATURES HUMOR CAN EVER UNDERSTAND THE X-MEN'S PAIN!! This.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 27, 2017 19:20:00 GMT
BECAUSE HUMOR, JUDGE! NO FILM SERIES THAT FEATURES HUMOR CAN EVER UNDERSTAND THE X-MEN'S PAIN!! This. So now the FoX-Men films have shredded your neurons to the point you're sarcasm blind?
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 27, 2017 19:29:54 GMT
Never understood the notion that people don't joke in life and death situations. Hell even tense or anxiety filled situations. When I flipped my car into a creek I cut my scalp so wide it needed 14 staples. I had a broken leg, two ripped biceps,partially ripped costal cartilage and a hernia. The first thing I said to the doc as he was stapling my head was. "I guess the barber cut my hair a little to close" A lame joke but it did it's job. My brother and sister in law, watching their house burn to the ground told me the fire was just big enough for marshmallows. My god son was born 4 months premature and my best friend spent every waking hour either in PICU or waiting in the lounge to go there. When I would visit we joked more than normal because it relieved the tension. Cops, Medical Examiners, Soldiers, EMT, Hospice Workers, 911 operators, and every other job that deals in stress use humor to get through. (I know or have known a person for almost all of those jobs) So having people crack jokes in tension filled situations is normal. It's reality.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 27, 2017 19:30:38 GMT
BECAUSE HUMOR, JUDGE! NO FILM SERIES THAT FEATURES HUMOR CAN EVER UNDERSTAND THE X-MEN'S PAIN!! This. Aw you two actually agreed on something!
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Post by summers8 on Dec 27, 2017 19:43:57 GMT
they never understood it at 100% but they had the better potential to do the series more justice, because fox has more creative freedom and can embrace the tone of xmen. making a disney version of xmen like we saw in homecoming will be far more damaging than what fox did. fox had slumps but they had highs. it's slumps only for disney's x-men.
star wars 7 and 8 is proof
spiderman homecoming is proof.
One reason star wars is crashing and burning right now is because many have noticed the marvel formula was applied to the last jedi. idiotic jokes, excessive cgi action, mediocre story telling , misplaced toy placement, zero creative vision. shall I go on
the disney movies of this properties (spiderman and star wars)have been far worse and weaker than when fox and sony had them,let me ask you op. how will disney adapt a story like the mutant massacre or e is for extinction? the upcoming new mutants movie, disney cannot make that movie and from what we have seen, the movie looks very true to the comic story. not to mention a far more unique cbr for 2018 than your IW that has promised to blow up NY again.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 20:20:17 GMT
they never understood it at 100% but they had the better potential to do the series more justice, because fox has more creative freedom and can embrace the tone of xmen. making a disney version of xmen like we saw in homecoming will be far more damaging than what fox did. fox had slumps but they had highs. it's slumps only for disney's x-men. star wars 7 and 8 is proof
spiderman homecoming is proof.One reason star wars is crashing and burning right now is because many have noticed the marvel formula was applied to the last jedi. idiotic jokes, excessive cgi action, mediocre story telling , misplaced toy placement, zero creative vision. shall I go on the disney movies of this properties (spiderman and star wars)have been far worse and weaker than when fox and sony had them,let me ask you op. how will disney adapt a story like the mutant massacre or e is for extinction? the upcoming new mutants movie, disney cannot make that movie and from what we have seen, the movie looks very true to the comic story. not to mention a far more unique cbr for 2018 than your IW that has promised to blow up NY again. Fox doesn't allow as much creative freedom as Disney. Homecoming was loved by many real spider man fans. Star Wars 7 and 8 are proof of nothing they were fine movies. I personally preferred the prequels but the new trilogy is acceptable. Homecoming is only proof of Disney ruining spider man in your head as you've been blinded by raimi's spider man. You keep saying shit that is your own opinion yet you keep stating it as a fact. All these properties are fine with Disney. There was no promise to blow up NYC in IW and New Mutants doesn't look nearly as good as your making it out to be.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 27, 2017 20:25:00 GMT
summers8 Kevin Feige was heavily involved in the first two X-Men movies... And New Mutants white washed the source material.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 27, 2017 22:03:40 GMT
they never understood it at 100% but they had the better potential to do the series more justice, because fox has more creative freedom No they don't. Good then. Better than the Prequels. A good movie. It isn't, it's doing well. People didn't like ESB at the start either. Why would they adapt crap stories?
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 27, 2017 22:56:28 GMT
Can someone explain this mentality the Fox-Men fans( like summers8) have? So the company that gave birth to the property half a century ago and has established such a rich history of characters and stories which have all served as inspiration to the films that the Fox-Men fans adore would have fairly little understanding of the property they created when they eventually make their own film set in the MCU? But Fox, the old Fox before Disney's acquisition, who never really wanted to make X-Men movies in the first place( They wanted Spider-Man's movie rights instead) "gets" the property more than they ever could and will? I mean is that why Bobby isn't a fun loving, energetic, jokey youth like in the source material and is instead bland and no-nonsense in the films he's appeared in? Fox never really got their X-men right up until Deadpool and Logan. Even their most famous product, Wolverine, was completely unlike the source material. Let's be honest here, Fox never really cared much about the source material nor did they bother "understanding" the X-men. They saw a money opportunity and simply capitalized on it.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 23:08:54 GMT
Can someone explain this mentality the Fox-Men fans( like summers8) have? So the company that gave birth to the property half a century ago and has established such a rich history of characters and stories which have all served as inspiration to the films that the Fox-Men fans adore would have fairly little understanding of the property they created when they eventually make their own film set in the MCU? But Fox, the old Fox before Disney's acquisition, who never really wanted to make X-Men movies in the first place( They wanted Spider-Man's movie rights instead) "gets" the property more than they ever could and will? I mean is that why Bobby isn't a fun loving, energetic, jokey youth like in the source material and is instead bland and no-nonsense in the films he's appeared in? Fox never really got their X-men right up until Deadpool and Logan. Even their most famous product, Wolverine, was completely unlike the source material. Let's be honest here, Fox never really cared much about the source material nor did they bother "understanding" the X-men. They saw a money opportunity and simply capitalized on it. KILL THE INFIDEL!!
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 27, 2017 23:43:05 GMT
Can someone explain this mentality the Fox-Men fans( like summers8) have? So the company that gave birth to the property half a century ago and has established such a rich history of characters and stories which have all served as inspiration to the films that the Fox-Men fans adore would have fairly little understanding of the property they created when they eventually make their own film set in the MCU? But Fox, the old Fox before Disney's acquisition, who never really wanted to make X-Men movies in the first place( They wanted Spider-Man's movie rights instead) "gets" the property more than they ever could and will? I mean is that why Bobby isn't a fun loving, energetic, jokey youth like in the source material and is instead bland and no-nonsense in the films he's appeared in? Fox never really got their X-men right up until Deadpool and Logan. Even their most famous product, Wolverine, was completely unlike the source material. Let's be honest here, Fox never really cared much about the source material nor did they bother "understanding" the X-men. They saw a money opportunity and simply capitalized on it. Honestly, the source material was pretty bad at times. Few X-Men fans care about the First Class era because it sucked and got cancelled before being relaunched years later with Giant Size.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 27, 2017 23:44:30 GMT
Can someone explain this mentality the Fox-Men fans( like summers8) have? So the company that gave birth to the property half a century ago and has established such a rich history of characters and stories which have all served as inspiration to the films that the Fox-Men fans adore would have fairly little understanding of the property they created when they eventually make their own film set in the MCU? But Fox, the old Fox before Disney's acquisition, who never really wanted to make X-Men movies in the first place( They wanted Spider-Man's movie rights instead) "gets" the property more than they ever could and will? I mean is that why Bobby isn't a fun loving, energetic, jokey youth like in the source material and is instead bland and no-nonsense in the films he's appeared in? No one gave a shit about Iceman though. That’s why they made him gay.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 27, 2017 23:54:27 GMT
Fox never really got their X-men right up until Deadpool and Logan. Even their most famous product, Wolverine, was completely unlike the source material. Let's be honest here, Fox never really cared much about the source material nor did they bother "understanding" the X-men. They saw a money opportunity and simply capitalized on it. Honestly, the source material was pretty bad at times. Few X-Men fans care about the First Class era because it sucked and got cancelled before being relaunched years later with Giant Size. Maybe, though most comics have their ups and downs. Nevertheless, it still shows that Fox didn't really "understand" the X-men like some people claim. Majority of Fox's X-men characters didn't act, look or feel anything like the source material. Heck, they didn't even work properly as a team. So Fox fans can claim that the Fox X-men movies were good movies, and I can respect that since they're entitled to their opinion, but claiming that Fox "understood" the X-men is a whole stinking pile of horse shit.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2017 23:55:30 GMT
Fox never really got their X-men right up until Deadpool and Logan. Even their most famous product, Wolverine, was completely unlike the source material. Let's be honest here, Fox never really cared much about the source material nor did they bother "understanding" the X-men. They saw a money opportunity and simply capitalized on it. Honestly, the source material was pretty bad at times. Few X-Men fans care about the First Class era because it sucked and got cancelled before being relaunched years later with Giant Size. What we got in the films was hardly a better alternative.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 28, 2017 0:11:56 GMT
Fox never really got their X-men right up until Deadpool and Logan. Even their most famous product, Wolverine, was completely unlike the source material. Let's be honest here, Fox never really cared much about the source material nor did they bother "understanding" the X-men. They saw a money opportunity and simply capitalized on it. Honestly, the source material was pretty bad at times. Few X-Men fans care about the First Class era because it sucked and got cancelled before being relaunched years later with Giant Size. Funny thing was, by the end they had built up a pretty cool alien invasion storyline that was about to shake things up...then they got canceled and we never really found out how it ended.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 28, 2017 0:19:26 GMT
Honestly, the source material was pretty bad at times. Few X-Men fans care about the First Class era because it sucked and got cancelled before being relaunched years later with Giant Size. What we got in the films was hardly a better alternative. What we got was something that had better reception than it’s source material. Did you know that Xavier wanted to bang Jean Grey?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 0:21:34 GMT
What we got in the films was hardly a better alternative. What we got was something that had better reception than it’s source material. Did you know that Xavier wanted to bang Jean Grey? Not really. The X-Men comics have survived for decades, but the film series has struggled quite a bit since 2003.
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