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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 28, 2017 17:19:21 GMT
And I already told you that things like the Mystique stuff is from Ultimate X-Men and you label that as dissimilar to the comics. But won’t say the same thing when the Avengers use the Ultimate imprint way more? lol No, there is no Ultimate version where Mystique is the sister of Xavier or that she's the leader of the X-men or that her skin is scaled. You had to make some jumps and combinations just to find a way to find a connection. Whereas a black Nick Fury and a gun-using Captain America are direct characteristics of their Ultimate versions. I didn’t make jumps. The filmmakers even admitted that they pulled from the Ultimate version. And yes, Marvel Studios has made similar combinations. Hela wasn’t Thor’s sister either but Angela. Did you miss the part where I said Mystique being the leader was one of those massive shifts?
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 28, 2017 17:34:47 GMT
Eh, the Pyms not being around was Edgar Wright's fault. He sat on his hands for years and wasted time and insisted no one use those characters except him. Avengers the Movie was a combo of 616 Avengers 1 and Ultimates. It had an alien invasion, but it also had Loki as the main villain. That shouldn’t stop them from making Hank and Janet too old to be Avengers, It also had Captain America from Ultimates, SHEILD from Ultimates, Black Nick Fury from Ultimates, a fight with crazy Hulk from Ultimates, and almost everyone had the look from Ultimates. X3 and Apocalypse were not good movies at all. No MCU movie ever made is worse than those so this summer moron is way off. Also, Star Wars is 'crashing and burning' its way to a billion dollars. How horrible for them. Spiderman Homecoming was a great movie and maybe the best Spiderman movie. Its your opinion and doesn’t have much to do with the topic. I honestly refer Apocalypse over Iron Man 2 and Thor 2. And Iron Fist and Inhumans are generally considered far worse than any current X-property. Last I checked, Iron Fist and Inhumans are not part of the MCU so your point is irrelevant.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 28, 2017 17:37:05 GMT
That shouldn’t stop them from making Hank and Janet too old to be Avengers, It also had Captain America from Ultimates, SHEILD from Ultimates, Black Nick Fury from Ultimates, a fight with crazy Hulk from Ultimates, and almost everyone had the look from Ultimates. Its your opinion and doesn’t have much to do with the topic. I honestly refer Apocalypse over Iron Man 2 and Thor 2. And Iron Fist and Inhumans are generally considered far worse than any current X-property. Last I checked, Iron Fist and Inhumans are not part of the MCU so your point is irrelevant. They are are and even if they weren’t they were still made by Marvel.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 28, 2017 17:39:22 GMT
Last I checked, Iron Fist and Inhumans are not part of the MCU so your point is irrelevant. They are are and even if they weren’t they were still made by Marvel. No they are not. Seriously. Do a simple google search. If you are just saying they are made by Marvel, then we might as well stop the conversation because so were all the X-Men movies. None of them were actually made by Marvel Studios as part of the MCU.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 28, 2017 17:43:34 GMT
They are are and even if they weren’t they were still made by Marvel. No they are not. Seriously. Do a simple google search. If you are just saying they are made by Marvel, then we might as well stop the conversation because so were all the X-Men movies. None of them were actually made by Marvel Studios as part of the MCU. Uh, yes they are. They even reference the events in the movies and they are by Marvel Television a division of Marvel.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 28, 2017 17:46:34 GMT
No they are not. Seriously. Do a simple google search. If you are just saying they are made by Marvel, then we might as well stop the conversation because so were all the X-Men movies. None of them were actually made by Marvel Studios as part of the MCU. Uh, yes they are. They even reference the events in the movies and they are by Marvel Television a division of Marvel. Yes, his point is that Marvel Television is not a part of Marvel Studios. The shows are within the MCU but not made by Marvel Studios. #teamcolden
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 28, 2017 17:53:28 GMT
Um the Inhumans are in the MCU. Inhumans is a spinoff of Agents of Shield which is in the MCU. The Netflix series are also in the MCU. They make reference to a lot of happenings in the movies. IGN InhumansNow Joss says it's not but one director saying it isn't doesn't make it true. Sif and Nick have been on Agents. Phil provided the hellacarrier to Nick. List of Marvel Cinematic Universe Television Series Wikipedia
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 28, 2017 17:55:43 GMT
Shit if he was saying different productions (Marvel TV vs Marvel Studios) then yeah he's right. I misinterpreted that if that's what he meant.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 28, 2017 18:03:43 GMT
No, there is no Ultimate version where Mystique is the sister of Xavier or that she's the leader of the X-men or that her skin is scaled. You had to make some jumps and combinations just to find a way to find a connection. Whereas a black Nick Fury and a gun-using Captain America are direct characteristics of their Ultimate versions. I didn’t make jumps. The filmmakers even admitted that they pulled from the Ultimate version. And yes, Marvel Studios has made similar combinations. Hela wasn’t Thor’s sister either but Angela. Did you miss the part where I said Mystique being the leader was one of those massive shifts? Yes, they made a change to Hela's origins. Which brings me back to square one: The MCU has made some minor changes to characters but stay true mostly to source material. Fox characters are mostly different from source material apart from some few similarities. Take Hela vs. Mystique for example. Sure, they made Hela Thor's sister but she's still the goddess of death, her costume is still comic accurate, she's still excessively powerful, etc. On the other hand, Mystique shares the same powers with comic Mystique but that's about it. Her look is different, her age is different, her role in the X-men is different, she's a hero and a leader of the X-men, her attitude is different, her back story is different, heck she's even got superstrength.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 28, 2017 18:27:06 GMT
I didn’t make jumps. The filmmakers even admitted that they pulled from the Ultimate version. And yes, Marvel Studios has made similar combinations. Hela wasn’t Thor’s sister either but Angela. Did you miss the part where I said Mystique being the leader was one of those massive shifts? Yes, they made a change to Hela's origins. Which brings me back to square one: The MCU has made some minor changes to characters but stay true mostly to source material. Fox characters are mostly different from source material apart from some few similarities. Take Hela vs. Mystique for example. Sure, they made Hela Thor's sister but she's still the goddess of death, her costume is still comic accurate, she's still excessively powerful, etc. On the other hand, Mystique shares the same powers with comic Mystique but that's about it. Her look is different, her age is different, her role in the X-men is different, she's a hero and a leader of the X-men, her attitude is different, her back story is different, heck she's even got superstrength. Mystique looks different? The difference I see is one has pupils and the other doesn’t with the addition of scales. And Mystique has been a member of X-Men in the comics. Pretty much every X-Men villain has. I don’t know what you mean by her age.
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Post by merh on Dec 28, 2017 20:49:03 GMT
BECAUSE HUMOR, JUDGE! NO FILM SERIES THAT FEATURES HUMOR CAN EVER UNDERSTAND THE X-MEN'S PAIN!! This. Excuse me? Just because emoboys want SERIOUS, I remember lots of wisecracks in the comics.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 28, 2017 21:22:52 GMT
Excuse me? Just because emoboys want SERIOUS, I remember lots of wisecracks in the comics. There are good doses of wise cracks/jokes in Foxs xmen films which follow the correct tone from the comics. They arent complete wet blankets like Man of steel or BvS. Problem with MCU flicks is the jokes are 1) kiddy in nature 2) demean the character of villains 3) take place during serious moments 4) Too many forced jokes which are cringe
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 28, 2017 21:26:28 GMT
There are good doses of wise cracks/jokes in Foxs xmen films which follow the correct tone from the comics. So just like the MCU then. No more than Magneto taking a shot at Rogue's hair. This happens all the time in practically every comic. In real life you'll get jokes during these times. Subjective.
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Post by charzhino on Dec 28, 2017 21:39:09 GMT
No more than Magneto taking a shot at Rogue's hair. Glad you picked that exanple because its far from being a kiddy joke. Korg making a poop joke in Ragnarok however... They make jokes aimed at the villain but they're never humiliated or demeaned. Von Strucker getting comically hit in Age of Ultron and Ronan getting distracted by a silly dance off make the villains look less threatening. Kids escaping robotic men trying to kill them in Logan. No one would be joking. Sentinels impending doom to wipe out the last species of mutants no one would be joking like in Age of ultron. Supermutant trying to take control of every mind in existence in Apocalypse..yeah no one would be wise cracking quips and one liners. Thing is all those scenarios have stakes. Theres not much in MCU end scenarios hence the lighter tone. Many critics called out GotG2.0 for forced over the top humour.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 28, 2017 22:12:45 GMT
My old college buddy who is a Sheriff Deputy in Gaston Co. NC could tell you horror stories where humor is applied. Last time I was in the area for his birthday we talked a long time. Stuff that would have me shitting myself and in the moment he joked with the other cops on site. He said something that stuck near the end of my visit. "If it wasn't for my silly sense of humor I would've ate my gun 10 years ago."
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 28, 2017 22:46:28 GMT
No more than Magneto taking a shot at Rogue's hair. Glad you picked that exanple because its far from being a kiddy joke. It's very much a kid's joke. Then again, you'd think Tony Starks' Prima Noctae thing was a kid's joke. Go read a Spidey comic, any Spidey comic. WWI soldiers joked while they were getting shelled in the Trenches. WWI Soldiers joking while getting shelled. WWI Soldiers getting shelled. You can only say that because the MCU refuses to execute their casts en masse every movie. Oh yeah, the flick where the bad guy admits he gave the woman he loved a tumor because he was afraid he was getting too close to her. How childish.
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Post by merh on Dec 28, 2017 23:17:37 GMT
Excuse me? Just because emoboys want SERIOUS, I remember lots of wisecracks in the comics. There are good doses of wise cracks/jokes in Foxs xmen films which follow the correct tone from the comics. They arent complete wet blankets like Man of steel or BvS. Problem with MCU flicks is the jokes are 1) kiddy in nature No. MCU jokes are typical of Marvel comics. I have 3 footlocker type trunks full of mostly Marvel comics from the 60s thru the 80s. A trunk holds 2 of those comic box sleeves. I have seen many DC villains demeaned. Hell, X-Men comics from the 60s had fairly simple villains. I have what might be Loki's first appearance & there is no mention of being related to Thor. I made a few jokes the week I found my husband dead. It's not uncommon. Name some. I don't see them
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Dec 29, 2017 0:52:09 GMT
they never understood it at 100% but they had the better potential to do the series more justice, because fox has more creative freedom and can embrace the tone of xmen. making a disney version of xmen like we saw in homecoming will be far more damaging than what fox did. fox had slumps but they had highs. it's slumps only for disney's x-men. star wars 7 and 8 is proof
spiderman homecoming is proof.One reason star wars is crashing and burning right now is because many have noticed the marvel formula was applied to the last jedi. idiotic jokes, excessive cgi action, mediocre story telling , misplaced toy placement, zero creative vision. shall I go on the disney movies of this properties (spiderman and star wars)have been far worse and weaker than when fox and sony had them,let me ask you op. how will disney adapt a story like the mutant massacre or e is for extinction? the upcoming new mutants movie, disney cannot make that movie and from what we have seen, the movie looks very true to the comic story. not to mention a far more unique cbr for 2018 than your IW that has promised to blow up NY again. Is Star Wars crashing and burning? Because it's still making a lot of money.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 29, 2017 3:14:38 GMT
Mystique looks different? The difference I see is one has pupils and the other doesn’t with the addition of scales. And Mystique has been a member of X-Men in the comics. Pretty much every X-Men villain has. I don’t know what you mean by her age. Yes, she looks different. And if it was just Mystique it wouldn't be so bad. But Wolverine looks different, Rogue looks different, Cyclops, Jean Grey, none of their costumes match source materials... like I said, they're mostly different, with one or two similar things. Whereas MCU characters are pretty similar to source material, with one or two differences.
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Post by formersamhmd on Dec 29, 2017 3:15:05 GMT
they never understood it at 100% but they had the better potential to do the series more justice, because fox has more creative freedom and can embrace the tone of xmen. making a disney version of xmen like we saw in homecoming will be far more damaging than what fox did. fox had slumps but they had highs. it's slumps only for disney's x-men. star wars 7 and 8 is proof
spiderman homecoming is proof.One reason star wars is crashing and burning right now is because many have noticed the marvel formula was applied to the last jedi. idiotic jokes, excessive cgi action, mediocre story telling , misplaced toy placement, zero creative vision. shall I go on the disney movies of this properties (spiderman and star wars)have been far worse and weaker than when fox and sony had them,let me ask you op. how will disney adapt a story like the mutant massacre or e is for extinction? the upcoming new mutants movie, disney cannot make that movie and from what we have seen, the movie looks very true to the comic story. not to mention a far more unique cbr for 2018 than your IW that has promised to blow up NY again. Is Star Wars crashing and burning? Because it's still making a lot of money. It got great reviews, generated more discussion than X-Men Apocalypse and Justice League combined and made more money than WW....but it's bad because it's made by Disney apparently.
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