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Post by Deleted on Dec 29, 2017 3:20:23 GMT
My old college buddy who is a Sheriff Deputy in Gaston Co. NC could tell you horror stories where humor is applied. Last time I was in the area for his birthday we talked a long time. Stuff that would have me shitting myself and in the moment he joked with the other cops on site. He said something that stuck near the end of my visit. "If it wasn't for my silly sense of humor I would've ate my gun 10 years ago." You are alas talking to a bunch of ultra-edgy teen edgelords who aren't old enough to understand Gallow's Humor.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 29, 2017 3:33:05 GMT
I'm tired of this. It's not worth discussing anymore.
Fox-Men fans have two years to enjoy the remaining output of their beloved cinematic universe. I assure you, if the Fox/Disney deal passes regulatory, there will be no sick merger of universes and no stay of execution. After it's over, Fox-Men fans can enjoy their precious universe, which they hold above the source material, on home video.
If you think that only one era of the X-Men comics is relevant or worthy of your attention, you're not an X-Men fan. You are dilettante and just a fan of a specific period of X-Men publications. The full heritage of the X-Men, starting with the classic team and progressing on to Uncanny is all a part of the X-Men's legacy.
IMO - The X-Men films don't acknowledge the depth of the interpersonal relationships between the characters frequently featured in the source material. The movies recycle the same themes of bigotry and intolerance over and over again and it has become tedious and boring.
The Fox X-Men universe is dead, long live the X-Men.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 29, 2017 3:46:46 GMT
Mystique looks different? The difference I see is one has pupils and the other doesn’t with the addition of scales. And Mystique has been a member of X-Men in the comics. Pretty much every X-Men villain has. I don’t know what you mean by her age. Yes, she looks different. And if it was just Mystique it wouldn't be so bad. But Wolverine looks different, Rogue looks different, Cyclops, Jean Grey, none of their costumes match source materials... like I said, they're mostly different, with one or two similar things. Whereas MCU characters are pretty similar to source material, with one or two differences. That’s not a costume, that’s a white dress. And yeah, their look pretty much have match the comics since First Class. They got classic costumes at the end of Apocalypse and Wolverine looked like Old Man Logan.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 29, 2017 4:02:53 GMT
Fox-Men fans have two years to enjoy the remaining output of their beloved cinematic universe. I assure you, if the Fox/Disney deal passes regulatory, there will be no sick merger of universes and no stay of execution. After it's over, Fox-Men fans can enjoy their precious universe, which they hold above the source material, on home video. You haven’t read what Bob Iger said about the X-Men films? Because he’s interest in what Fox currently has cooked up. Well most of the other eras not by Chris Claremont sucked balls. Did you know that mutants are immune to aids? You haven’t watch the recent films? Because they don’t focus on that after DOFP.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 29, 2017 4:39:40 GMT
Fox-Men fans have two years to enjoy the remaining output of their beloved cinematic universe. I assure you, if the Fox/Disney deal passes regulatory, there will be no sick merger of universes and no stay of execution. After it's over, Fox-Men fans can enjoy their precious universe, which they hold above the source material, on home video. You haven’t read what Bob Iger said? Well most of the other eras not by Chris Claremont sucked balls. Did you know that Mutants are immune to aids? You haven’t watch the recent films? Because they don’t focus on that after DOFP. Dude, I am truly sorry if I gave you the impression that I was interested in reading anything else you have to say on this particular subject. To be clear, I am not interested in hearing about your balls, your AIDS, what you sucked on or how much you love the Fox-Men universe. You can and should keep that all to yourself. The Fox-Men universe is a pale shadow of its source material and it has gone on long enough. If you think the Fox-Men universe has a solid future and will run on indefinitely, good for you. Please go celebrate with a few like-minded friends and leave me out of it. Thank you, LDM.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 29, 2017 5:22:59 GMT
Yes, she looks different. And if it was just Mystique it wouldn't be so bad. But Wolverine looks different, Rogue looks different, Cyclops, Jean Grey, none of their costumes match source materials... like I said, they're mostly different, with one or two similar things. Whereas MCU characters are pretty similar to source material, with one or two differences. That’s not a costume, that’s a white dress. And yeah, their look pretty much have match the comics since First Class. They got classic costumes at the end of Apocalypse and Wolverine looked like Old Man Logan. Sigh. You know what, forget it. You're obviously completely blind. If you think movie Mystique is perfectly similar to comic Mystique then there's obviously no reasoning with you.
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 29, 2017 5:26:02 GMT
That’s not a costume, that’s a white dress. And yeah, their look pretty much have match the comics since First Class. They got classic costumes at the end of Apocalypse and Wolverine looked like Old Man Logan. Sigh. You know what, forget it. You're obviously completely blind. If you think movie Mystique is perfectly similar to comic Mystique then there's obviously no reasoning with you. Well I never said that. Actually, I said the opposite. So you might want to work on that reading comprehendsion. lol at you calling me blind.
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Post by darkpast on Dec 29, 2017 5:26:47 GMT
All Hail Bryan Singer
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Post by Agent of Chaos on Dec 29, 2017 7:32:07 GMT
Skaathar Also, your complaints about Mystique’s look is really just a nitpick. She’s blue skinned, red-haired, and has yellow eyes. You seriously arguing that her not wearing a white dress and being scaling is a big deal. That’s like complaining about the Hulk not wearing purple pants.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 29, 2017 8:43:39 GMT
Skaathar Also, your complaints about Mystique’s look is really just a nitpick. She’s blue skinned, red-haired, and has yellow eyes. You seriously arguing that her not wearing a white dress and being scaling is a big deal. That’s like complaining about the Hulk not wearing purple pants. If you noticed, her looks were only one part of my complaints. But you seem to only reply to specific things that you can nitpick.
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Post by DSDSquared on Dec 29, 2017 12:35:18 GMT
Um the Inhumans are in the MCU. Inhumans is a spinoff of Agents of Shield which is in the MCU. The Netflix series are also in the MCU. They make reference to a lot of happenings in the movies. IGN InhumansNow Joss says it's not but one director saying it isn't doesn't make it true. Sif and Nick have been on Agents. Phil provided the hellacarrier to Nick. List of Marvel Cinematic Universe Television Series WikipediaNo it is not. Marvel Studios does not make the shows. They have nothing to do with the MCU and the movies. That is why none of the movie characters will cross over. Agents of SHIELD is the only exception and even then the tie-ins are loose at best. The Netflix characters reference the event in Avengers early on, but nothing else goes along with the movies. The Defenders will never meet an Avenger. They are made by completely different studios with completely different creators. Nice try though. Daredevil is just as much MCU as X-Men.
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 29, 2017 16:37:53 GMT
Um the Inhumans are in the MCU. Inhumans is a spinoff of Agents of Shield which is in the MCU. The Netflix series are also in the MCU. They make reference to a lot of happenings in the movies. IGN InhumansNow Joss says it's not but one director saying it isn't doesn't make it true. Sif and Nick have been on Agents. Phil provided the hellacarrier to Nick. List of Marvel Cinematic Universe Television Series WikipediaNo it is not. Marvel Studios does not make the shows. They have nothing to do with the MCU and the movies. That is why none of the movie characters will cross over. Agents of SHIELD is the only exception and even then the tie-ins are loose at best. The Netflix characters reference the event in Avengers early on, but nothing else goes along with the movies. The Defenders will never meet an Avenger. They are made by completely different studios with completely different creators. Nice try though. Daredevil is just as much MCU as X-Men. Well the Executive Vice President, Head of Television for Marvel Jeph Loeb disagrees with you. While it has been frequently stressed to fans by Marvel TV head Jeph Loeb that the Netflix Marvel series are a part of the Marvel Cinematic Universe (MCU), the lack of direct mentions or cameos has forced fans to believe otherwise. Fans got even more worrisome when Jeph Loeb went on a long period of silence. However, the Marvel TV head recently came back at the New York Comic-Con Agents Of S.H.I.E.L.D. panel that The Defenders are a part of the #MCU, stating:
"I get in trouble every single time I say this, which is #ItsAllConnected. But trust me when I say #ItsAllConnected, and that’s about all I can say on it at this time."
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Post by Vassaggo on Dec 29, 2017 17:00:53 GMT
The tie-ins in Agent of Shield is more than just loose. The fall out from Winter Soldier changed the direction of plot of Agents. Also they had to clean up the Mess that was caused by Thor the Dark World. And theyve had characters from the Movies on the Show. Chitari tech has shown up in the show.
Agent Carter was made by Marvel TV and that is in the MCU as the main Character is from the Movies.
And the connections to the Defenders was more than just early on. The third series that was made Luke Cage references the Incident (Battle of New York). Also Hammer Tech was shown in Luke. And Hammer Tech used Chitari metal and tech to make the Judas Bullets and Diamondbacks Suit.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 29, 2017 18:56:41 GMT
That’s not a costume, that’s a white dress. And yeah, their look pretty much have match the comics since First Class. They got classic costumes at the end of Apocalypse and Wolverine looked like Old Man Logan. Sigh. You know what, forget it. You're obviously completely blind. If you think movie Mystique is perfectly similar to comic Mystique then there's obviously no reasoning with you. You're not wrong. Mystique, as portrayed in the movies, differs significantly than her comic book counterpart. You would have to cherrypick atypical characterizations from the source material to defend Fox's version. It's okay for the two versions to be different. It's also okay for you to like one version more than the other. It's not okay to claim that they are the same character because they look the same and have similar powers. The two Mystiques are only similar on a very superficial level. I prefer the Mystique from the comic books who is more of a mercenary and a spy. The comic book version has deeper tradecraft and regularly uses weapons and gadgets as a part of her arsenal. Her motivations, allegiances, relationships and even her sexual politics are fluid. The comic book version of the character actually lives up to the name Mystique. There is nothing mysterious or intriguing about the Fox-Men version of the character. Her motivations are not subtle or sophisticated and her character arc is - IMO - dull and plodding.
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Post by Skaathar on Dec 29, 2017 20:17:57 GMT
Sigh. You know what, forget it. You're obviously completely blind. If you think movie Mystique is perfectly similar to comic Mystique then there's obviously no reasoning with you. You're not wrong. Mystique, as portrayed in the movies, differs significantly than her comic book counterpart. You would have to cherrypick atypical characterizations from the source material to defend Fox's version. It's okay for the two versions to be different. It's also okay for you to like one version more than the other. It's not okay to claim that they are the same character because they look the same and have similar powers. The two Mystiques are only similar on a very superficial level. I prefer the Mystique from the comic books who is more of a mercenary and a spy. The comic book version has deeper tradecraft and regularly uses weapons and gadgets as a part of her arsenal. Her motivations, allegiances, relationships and even her sexual politics are fluid. The comic book version of the character actually lives up to the name Mystique. There is nothing mysterious or intriguing about the Fox-Men version of the character. Her motivations are not subtle or sophisticated and her character arc is - IMO - is dull and plodding. There is nothing wrong with having different versions. There is nothing wrong with people liking one version over the other. But I find it hilarious that some people keep saying how Fox "understood" the X-men more than the MCU can. Because that's just flat out false. Fox pretty much butchered the X-men characters.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Dec 29, 2017 21:06:25 GMT
You're not wrong. Mystique, as portrayed in the movies, differs significantly than her comic book counterpart. You would have to cherrypick atypical characterizations from the source material to defend Fox's version. It's okay for the two versions to be different. It's also okay for you to like one version more than the other. It's not okay to claim that they are the same character because they look the same and have similar powers. The two Mystiques are only similar on a very superficial level. I prefer the Mystique from the comic books who is more of a mercenary and a spy. The comic book version has deeper tradecraft and regularly uses weapons and gadgets as a part of her arsenal. Her motivations, allegiances, relationships and even her sexual politics are fluid. The comic book version of the character actually lives up to the name Mystique. There is nothing mysterious or intriguing about the Fox-Men version of the character. Her motivations are not subtle or sophisticated and her character arc is - IMO - is dull and plodding. There is nothing wrong with having different versions. There is nothing wrong with people liking one version over the other. But I find it hilarious that some people keep saying how Fox "understood" the X-men more than the MCU can. Because that's just flat out false. Fox pretty much butchered the X-men characters. Agreed - IMO - Fox did butcher the X-Men. For what it's worth, I don't think it was malicious or even intentional. Fox's think tank didn't have anyone who understood the source material on more than an abstract/allegorical level. Fox created a sci-fi franchise that is only LOOSELY based on the Uncanny X-Men comic book. To say that they have a better understanding of the characters than their creators or publishers is hyperbolic at best. The Fox films encompass a very narrow scope of what the X-Men represent. And that's all good and well but, to say that their vision is comprehensive or definitive is absurd. And lastly, unless you have a crystal ball, no one knows for sure how the MCU would treat the X-Men in future movies. They literally have years to plan it out.
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