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Post by Deleted on Dec 30, 2017 12:24:09 GMT
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Post by General Kenobi on Dec 30, 2017 15:53:06 GMT
So it's a CW show not made by the people behind the Arrowverse shows? Interesting. Fresh blood couldn't hurt, though I'm not familiar with anything they have done previously.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2018 13:03:46 GMT
So it's a CW show not made by the people behind the Arrowverse shows? Interesting. Fresh blood couldn't hurt, though I'm not familiar with anything they have done previously. Not only is it not made by the same people who make the 'Arrowverse' but it exists in its own universe and I read the lead character was originally going to appear in the second season of 'Constantine' but it never happened 'cause the show was cancelled. After reading the comics I think this could turn out to be a good show.
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Post by dazz on Jan 3, 2018 11:49:53 GMT
With it being in it's own universe do you think that means it's in no way possible to connect it to the rest of the CW shows or is it just another universe in the CW's multiverse which could allow for crossovers down the line?
I am glad it'll be unrelated to the other shows and in another teams hands, as much as I like the Berlanti shows there is an issue with the same core group creating so much content on a single network, it all ends up feeling too samey after a while.
Not aware of this property but interested in seeing it when it comes about, also though I'm glad Berlanti isn't doing this show I hope it'll be possible to interact with the others at some point, which makes sense that all in house productions of DC shows being capable of mixing under the multiverse even if they are under different teams control, also if characters from this were planned to appear in Constantine I hope god ole JC makes an appearance in this show, which is also why I want it to be separate but connectable to the other universe's in the DCW multiverse.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jan 3, 2018 17:26:51 GMT
Sounds like it might be good. I have never heard of the property before. I hope it doesn't turn into one of those shows where the "skeptic" witnesses the supernatural right in front of his face every week but then the following week is still a "skeptic", like X-files became.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 12:48:30 GMT
With it being in it's own universe do you think that means it's in no way possible to connect it to the rest of the CW shows or is it just another universe in the CW's multiverse which could allow for crossovers down the line? I am glad it'll be unrelated to the other shows and in another teams hands, as much as I like the Berlanti shows there is an issue with the same core group creating so much content on a single network, it all ends up feeling too samey after a while. I am not sure. It will most likely be up to the showrunners and Elizabeth Banks but there were rumours Zatanna could appear in this show and with Traci Thirteen originally set to appear in 'Constantine' I think it is possible Constantine could appear in it at some point depending on if they allow them to keep using him on TV when the 'Justice League Dark' Live Action movie gets closer to release. Hopefully they don't pull a Deathstroke with him too.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 6, 2018 12:32:36 GMT
I think they've had a difficult time getting Constantine to appear on Arrow because NBC still holds the rights to the live-action series. All I remember was they had to jump though a lot of legal loopholes to make that happen and I have no idea how long TV rights last. By then Matt Ryan could have moved onto something else.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 5:58:15 GMT
I think they've had a difficult time getting Constantine to appear on Arrow because NBC still holds the rights to the live-action series. All I remember was they had to jump though a lot of legal loopholes to make that happen and I have no idea how long TV rights last. By then Matt Ryan could have moved onto something else. Didn't NBC basically forfeit the rights when they cancelled the 'Constantine' TV show? I thought when you cancelled a show it would be giving up the rights for the character but I am not sure. What I do know is they tried to get 'Constantine' picked up by other networks and Netflix and Matt Ryan spoke about it in interviews and they failed but to be able to try and take it to another network like they did must mean NBC didn't have the rights for the show. I am not sure but I think it is more likely Constantine's lack of appearances in the 'Arrowverse' are more to do with Warner Bros having plans for him in the DCEU as part of the 'Justice League Dark' movie.
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Post by dazz on Jan 7, 2018 11:32:26 GMT
Dunno maybe theirs a reason why other networks wont pick up certain shows, like maybe theres a fee networks charge if you want to take over their old show, as it'd explain why most failed shows on bigger networks that have a otherwise large audience don't get picked up by the smaller niche networks as much, because surely Constantine would have easily found a home on another network based on it's style and ratings, also explains why Supergirl so easily jumped to CW because it's part CBS owned so CW wouldn't need to pay for it.
Also a lot of shows unless planned as limited runs tend to have a built in 5 year plan, hence why so long as ratings hold above network standards most shows are a lock for 5 seasons, or even if they dip in the 4th they can likely get a 5th because the contracts are usually set for 5 years and 5 years is the typical amount of time shows need to hit 100 episodes for syndication, and why any shows doing above 5 seasons is a pretty big accomplishment...sorry I'm rambling now i'll stop.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 6:28:37 GMT
Dunno maybe theirs a reason why other networks wont pick up certain shows, like maybe theres a fee networks charge if you want to take over their old show, as it'd explain why most failed shows on bigger networks that have a otherwise large audience don't get picked up by the smaller niche networks as much, because surely Constantine would have easily found a home on another network based on it's style and ratings, also explains why Supergirl so easily jumped to CW because it's part CBS owned so CW wouldn't need to pay for it. Also a lot of shows unless planned as limited runs tend to have a built in 5 year plan, hence why so long as ratings hold above network standards most shows are a lock for 5 seasons, or even if they dip in the 4th they can likely get a 5th because the contracts are usually set for 5 years and 5 years is the typical amount of time shows need to hit 100 episodes for syndication, and why any shows doing above 5 seasons is a pretty big accomplishment...sorry I'm rambling now i'll stop. I think you might be right. Although some networks have kept the rights for TV shows they have cancelled to stop them from getting picked up by other networks and I heard after 'Ghost Whisperer' was cancelled by CBS Jennifer Love Hewitt was going to buy the rights to the show and take it to another network and she had a verbal agreement with CBS to do it but when she found another network that was interested in picking it up for a sixth season CBS went back on their word and refused to sell it to her so I am not sure how it works but with a property like 'Constantine' which is a DC character owned by Warner Bros I think the rights would have to reverse back to the owners of the character. I think 'Constantine' should have been able to find another home especially with the amount of fans who were petitioning to save it but maybe Warner Bros stopped it from happening. I do think Warner Bros are stopping them now 'cause of the 'Justice League Dark' movie or they would have a 'Constantine' Live Action TV show on the upcoming DC Online Streaming Service to go with 'Titans.'
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Post by dazz on Jan 12, 2018 9:37:01 GMT
Dunno maybe theirs a reason why other networks wont pick up certain shows, like maybe theres a fee networks charge if you want to take over their old show, as it'd explain why most failed shows on bigger networks that have a otherwise large audience don't get picked up by the smaller niche networks as much, because surely Constantine would have easily found a home on another network based on it's style and ratings, also explains why Supergirl so easily jumped to CW because it's part CBS owned so CW wouldn't need to pay for it. Also a lot of shows unless planned as limited runs tend to have a built in 5 year plan, hence why so long as ratings hold above network standards most shows are a lock for 5 seasons, or even if they dip in the 4th they can likely get a 5th because the contracts are usually set for 5 years and 5 years is the typical amount of time shows need to hit 100 episodes for syndication, and why any shows doing above 5 seasons is a pretty big accomplishment...sorry I'm rambling now i'll stop. I think you might be right. Although some networks have kept the rights for TV shows they have cancelled to stop them from getting picked up by other networks and I heard after 'Ghost Whisperer' was cancelled by CBS Jennifer Love Hewitt was going to buy the rights to the show and take it to another network and she had a verbal agreement with CBS to do it but when she found another network that was interested in picking it up for a sixth season CBS went back on their word and refused to sell it to her so I am not sure how it works but with a property like 'Constantine' which is a DC character owned by Warner Bros I think the rights would have to reverse back to the owners of the character. I think 'Constantine' should have been able to find another home especially with the amount of fans who were petitioning to save it but maybe Warner Bros stopped it from happening. I do think Warner Bros are stopping them now 'cause of the 'Justice League Dark' movie or they would have a 'Constantine' Live Action TV show on the upcoming DC Online Streaming Service to go with 'Titans.' I assume it's just the same as the movie rights where a network owns the rights to do that show and they have x amount of years to move on it and if they don't then rights revert but if they do then they maybe retain the option for the same length as initially stated from the airing or production date of the last episode, and again the networks can choose to sell the show to another network, but then with it being a DC owned property it's likely to do so a network wouldn need to both get the greenlight from DC/WB and make the deal with NBC, which again explains Supergirl as she's WB owned but CBS held the option so thy put it on CW which is WB & CBS co-owned, though doesn't explain why SyFy didn't pick up Constantine as SyFy is NBC owned unless like you said it was a WB choice not to allow they change.
As is the character is maybe in a similar realm as Hulk or a Namor where right now DC cant do anything in terms of a new show or even using elements from the old one but they can do stuff with the character, hence why he can appear in other shows but only to a limited extent for the moment.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 6:45:53 GMT
I think you might be right. Although some networks have kept the rights for TV shows they have cancelled to stop them from getting picked up by other networks and I heard after 'Ghost Whisperer' was cancelled by CBS Jennifer Love Hewitt was going to buy the rights to the show and take it to another network and she had a verbal agreement with CBS to do it but when she found another network that was interested in picking it up for a sixth season CBS went back on their word and refused to sell it to her so I am not sure how it works but with a property like 'Constantine' which is a DC character owned by Warner Bros I think the rights would have to reverse back to the owners of the character. I think 'Constantine' should have been able to find another home especially with the amount of fans who were petitioning to save it but maybe Warner Bros stopped it from happening. I do think Warner Bros are stopping them now 'cause of the 'Justice League Dark' movie or they would have a 'Constantine' Live Action TV show on the upcoming DC Online Streaming Service to go with 'Titans.'
As is the character is maybe in a similar realm as Hulk or a Namor where right now DC cant do anything in terms of a new show or even using elements from the old one but they can do stuff with the character, hence why he can appear in other shows but only to a limited extent for the moment.
It is possible and movie and TV rights are different which is why Fox owns the TV rights for Batman but not the movie rights. Although I will never understand why Fox kept the TV rights for Batman for so long and ABC dropped the rights for 'Superman' after 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' but the CW Network must own the rights to some extent to be able to make a 'Constantine' animated TV series unless the animated and live action rights are not the same. It is odd that they are making an animated TV show over another live action show when they have the same actor playing the character in the animated show and you would think a live action show would have been more appealing to them than an animated show but maybe they are doing it 'cause it is cheaper.
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Post by dazz on Jan 17, 2018 15:48:30 GMT
As is the character is maybe in a similar realm as Hulk or a Namor where right now DC cant do anything in terms of a new show or even using elements from the old one but they can do stuff with the character, hence why he can appear in other shows but only to a limited extent for the moment.
It is possible and movie and TV rights are different which is why Fox owns the TV rights for Batman but not the movie rights. Although I will never understand why Fox kept the TV rights for Batman for so long and ABC dropped the rights for 'Superman' after 'Lois and Clark: The New Adventures of Superman' but the CW Network must own the rights to some extent to be able to make a 'Constantine' animated TV series unless the animated and live action rights are not the same. It is odd that they are making an animated TV show over another live action show when they have the same actor playing the character in the animated show and you would think a live action show would have been more appealing to them than an animated show but maybe they are doing it 'cause it is cheaper. Yeah I imagine that's it, also like you said the animated vs live action rights maybe as separate as the TV and movie rights can be, but the animated stuff is shorter, they likely cost less as instead of 7-10 days of shooting per episode for the actors they can likely knock out an entire season in that time, also networks seem less territorial about actors doing voice roles, plus CG for live action cost where as in animation it's all going to cost about the same, and it maybe that their doing it like this just to keep the character relevant whilst trying to sort out some kind of deal or just run out a clock, you never know with these things, also the animated show is meant to be getting a lot darker than the TV show did and what people let slide for animation is far more lenient than with live action.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 26, 2018 15:52:18 GMT
I'm always suprised there is more support for live-action adaptions over animated. Animation makes more sense because you can get characters and objects that are comics faithful. Since you're not dealing with a flesh and blood actor the hero can spend more time in costumes. Budgets would be lower, which would allow for effects you couldn't achieve in real life and more of them.
It seems American animation is catching up to the rest of the world in regards to handling a dark tone and more serious plots, but they still treated as inferior when so many animated films or shows are superior to the live-action counterpart.
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Post by dazz on Jan 26, 2018 21:53:00 GMT
I'm always suprised there is more support for live-action adaptions over animated. Animation makes more sense because you can get characters and objects that are comics faithful. Since you're not dealing with a flesh and blood actor the hero can spend more time in costumes. Budgets would be lower, which would allow for effects you couldn't achieve in real life and more of them. It seems American animation is catching up to the rest of the world in regards to handling a dark tone and more serious plots, but they still treated as inferior when so many animated films or shows are superior to the live-action counterpart. There's not the spectacle with animation that there generally is in live action, CBM's need spectacle it's part of the reason they get the responses they do, also people want their imagination/fantasy to be made flesh this is why when obvious CG is used people get in a tizzy about it, cloud monsters, baby mouths, video game bosses and CGI suits all just end up taking people out of the films, it's why Bay's Transformers held on so long as they did, despite terrible everything else they looked fucking good visually, so when you see the Autobots reveal themselves as a group for the first time next to humans the size difference and everything got a reaction that isn't there even in the best written or animated versions of the shows.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 28, 2018 15:09:40 GMT
I disagree. I think we can get more spectacle with animation than live action. But I seem to be in the minority here.
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Post by dazz on Jan 29, 2018 6:46:33 GMT
I disagree. I think we can get more spectacle with animation than live action. But I seem to be in the minority here. Well it depends I mean the car scenes in the Fast & Furious films are a big part in what sell those films, you put them in animated format and you get Cars, does anyone react to scenes from Cars with the same awe as they do when they see the crap they pull of in the Furious films?
It's the realism or seeming realism that draw people in, I mean had BATB been a animated remake would it have been as big a deal? no, same with Star Wars even the dogshit prequels did huge box office, the one animated film released cinematically did a fraction of them, but the "live action" lion king much like the "live action" jungle book is going to make a killing despite being 99% CG.
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 31, 2018 15:12:30 GMT
I guess we'll just agree to disagree. Vaya con dios muchaco!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2018 12:25:09 GMT
I'm always suprised there is more support for live-action adaptions over animated. Animation makes more sense because you can get characters and objects that are comics faithful. Since you're not dealing with a flesh and blood actor the hero can spend more time in costumes. Budgets would be lower, which would allow for effects you couldn't achieve in real life and more of them. It seems American animation is catching up to the rest of the world in regards to handling a dark tone and more serious plots, but they still treated as inferior when so many animated films or shows are superior to the live-action counterpart. Yes. They can and they should be able to use more of their characters in animated movies or TV shows than they can in live action. I mean they could have had the whole Bat Family by now in animated movies and TV shows and we could have had animated versions of more female superheroes that they were less willing to use in live action movies before 'Wonder Woman.' 'DC Super Hero Girls' isn't bad but I would have much rather seen an animated movie of 'Birds of Prey' but for some unknown DC are very picky over what characters they will let appear in their animated movies and TV shows too and a lot of fans have pointed this out. Most of the animated movies and shows have only been Batman, Superman, Teen Titans and Justice League with a few exceptions like 'Suicide Squad' which is getting its second animated movie this year but they have only had one animated 'Wonder Woman' movie and haven't even had animated movies of 'Batgirl' and 'Nightwing' despite having a heap of Batman animated movies they could have spun them off. I could be wrong but I don't think we have ever had an animated movie of 'The Flash' either.
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Post by dazz on Feb 3, 2018 12:42:19 GMT
I'm always suprised there is more support for live-action adaptions over animated. Animation makes more sense because you can get characters and objects that are comics faithful. Since you're not dealing with a flesh and blood actor the hero can spend more time in costumes. Budgets would be lower, which would allow for effects you couldn't achieve in real life and more of them. It seems American animation is catching up to the rest of the world in regards to handling a dark tone and more serious plots, but they still treated as inferior when so many animated films or shows are superior to the live-action counterpart. Yes. They can and they should be able to use more of their characters in animated movies or TV shows than they can in live action. I mean they could have had the whole Bat Family by now in animated movies and TV shows and we could have had animated versions of more female superheroes that they were less willing to use in live action movies before 'Wonder Woman.' 'DC Super Hero Girls' isn't bad but I would have much rather seen an animated movie of 'Birds of Prey' but for some unknown DC are very picky over what characters they will let appear in their animated movies and TV shows too and a lot of fans have pointed this out. Most of the animated movies and shows have only been Batman, Superman, Teen Titans and Justice League with a few exceptions like 'Suicide Squad' which is getting its second animated movie this year but they have only had one animated 'Wonder Woman' movie and haven't even had animated movies of 'Batgirl' and 'Nightwing' despite having a heap of Batman animated movies they could have spun them off. I could be wrong but I don't think we have ever had an animated movie of 'The Flash' either. Part of that is due to the mentality that only Batman sells, which is why he gets shoehorned into a bunch of other things like Justice League Dark and 21/30 of the films DC released in animated form over the last decade have featured Batman, but it's a self fulfilling prophecy as if all the release are Batman featured films nothing can sell but Batman, also it's not like they are doing 10's of millions of $ with these things only 3 of them 30 broke $10m on was a Superman film, one was a Batman film the other was a Batman/Superman film, so it's less a non female superhero thing though I recall hearing back in the day...god I feel old...that when Wonder Woman did lower than Superman, Batman or Green Lantern films it put the kiybosh on possible sequels, but at this point I think their just too afraid to do anything not Batman related.
As for the TV shows I still think part of it is due to WB only being able to sell what other networks want to buy, they maybe happy to license as WW or Batgirl TV show but networks seem more into doing group ones or they want Batman, also it's another issue where it's a self defeating philosophy where the goal of the shows is to advertise toys basically and so only Batman sells but doing this means no other characters get exposed to people so no one but hardcore fans are going to want to buy a The Spoiler toy because no one else knows about the character.
Hopefully the new streaming service fixes this because A: WB can greenlight whatever the hell they want to go on that thing, B: they cant be too picky because they will need content to entice people into watching and subscribing to it which will lead to 3: new characters get exposure and make them more well known to the masses which = more toy sales and comic sales ect which leads to more TV and film adaptations.
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