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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 3, 2018 21:31:22 GMT
Sure thing. MCU rulers sure are total assholes.
Odin was a brutal and ruthless conqueror who had his own daughter serve as an Executioner, until he feared that his daughter had become too ambitious and would take his throne so he banished his daughter to the underworld.
She turned on him first and tried to kill him when she refused to give up her warlike ways. As for where he got his wealth, Bruce Wayne is a white collar criminal who constantly steals from his Shareholders but you don't see any MCU fans bringing that up.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 3, 2018 21:52:23 GMT
Sure thing. MCU rulers sure are total assholes.
Odin was a brutal and ruthless conqueror who had his own daughter serve as an Executioner, until he feared that his daughter had become too ambitious and would take his throne so he banished his daughter to the underworld.
She turned on him first and tried to kill him when she refused to give up her warlike ways. As for where he got his wealth, Bruce Wayne is a white collar criminal who constantly steals from his Shareholders but you don't see any MCU fans bringing that up. You know I've never even considered that. If Wayne Enterprise has shareholders then what Bruce does with Wayne Enterprise Tech could be considered stealing. Even if he is using non-used prototypes or has Fox use company time, resources, and money to build things. It would be no different then in real life if a CEO used company resources to build a house and sticking the bill to the company. Or using company money to buy a car. One company I worked for had shareholders and the CEO got caught using the Company's private jet to go on vacation and billed purchases for his wife on his expense account. He was fired and arrested, but I didn't follow the case afterward. I moved on to another company. Now if Wayne Enterprise is privately owned there would be no problem. In the Nolan Trilogy I'm pretty sure there are shareholders.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 3, 2018 22:03:37 GMT
She turned on him first and tried to kill him when she refused to give up her warlike ways. As for where he got his wealth, Bruce Wayne is a white collar criminal who constantly steals from his Shareholders but you don't see any MCU fans bringing that up. You know I've never even considered that. If Wayne Enterprise has shareholders then what Bruce does with Wayne Enterprise Tech could be considered stealing. Even if he is using non-used prototypes or has Fox use company time, resources, and money to build things. It would be no different then in real life if a CEO used company resources to build a house and sticking the bill to the company. Or using company money to buy a car. One company I worked for had shareholders and the CEO got caught using the Company's private jet to go on vacation and billed purchases for his wife on his expense account. He was fired and arrested, but I didn't follow the case afterward. I moved on to another company. Now if Wayne Enterprise is privately owned there would be no problem. In the Nolan Trilogy I'm pretty sure there are shareholders. In The Nolan movies it's very much a public company, and the comics mention shareholders from time to time. Bruce is a thief...
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 4, 2018 0:22:44 GMT
You know I've never even considered that. If Wayne Enterprise has shareholders then what Bruce does with Wayne Enterprise Tech could be considered stealing. Even if he is using non-used prototypes or has Fox use company time, resources, and money to build things. It would be no different then in real life if a CEO used company resources to build a house and sticking the bill to the company. Or using company money to buy a car. One company I worked for had shareholders and the CEO got caught using the Company's private jet to go on vacation and billed purchases for his wife on his expense account. He was fired and arrested, but I didn't follow the case afterward. I moved on to another company. Now if Wayne Enterprise is privately owned there would be no problem. In the Nolan Trilogy I'm pretty sure there are shareholders. In The Nolan movies it's very much a public company, and the comics mention shareholders from time to time. Bruce is a thief... Seeing that Bruce is helping people and the city out a more apt analogy would be slightly different. Say you are a public traded small restaurant chain. Unbeknownst to the investors in your company (who you have a fiduciary obligation to) every Month or so you mark off a truck of food as spoiled when it's not. Then you take that truck of food to local food banks and give it to the poor. While the intention is good you are stealing from the company at the same time.
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Post by leesilm on Jan 4, 2018 0:28:59 GMT
....I ask purely out of curiosity (these things fascinate me, sorry), but what if a creative lawyer said Bruce was doing community improvement/charity with the Wayne funds and with Bruce as the majority share holder and top CEO type person at the company (plus, as Denny Crane used to like to say on BOSTON LEGAL, "My name on the door"), could they wangle their way out of it being stealing? Also, if the Wayne company has different chunks- perhaps the shareholders aren't attached to the part that does military weapons -which would be Foxx & the Batmobile- but they are attached to some of the medical, real estate, financial, and other tendrals of the Wayne Empire, would he still be stealing from them then? As I said, I'm not being a smart-alec, I honestly wonder about these things. [Full disclosure, I also write in my spare time, and I love knowing weird factoids about business, law, philosophy, economic history, botany, whatever.]
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 4, 2018 0:47:23 GMT
She turned on him first and tried to kill him when she refused to give up her warlike ways. As for where he got his wealth, Bruce Wayne is a white collar criminal who constantly steals from his Shareholders but you don't see any MCU fans bringing that up. You know I've never even considered that. If Wayne Enterprise has shareholders then what Bruce does with Wayne Enterprise Tech could be considered stealing. Even if he is using non-used prototypes or has Fox use company time, resources, and money to build things. It would be no different then in real life if a CEO used company resources to build a house and sticking the bill to the company. Or using company money to buy a car. One company I worked for had shareholders and the CEO got caught using the Company's private jet to go on vacation and billed purchases for his wife on his expense account. He was fired and arrested, but I didn't follow the case afterward. I moved on to another company. Now if Wayne Enterprise is privately owned there would be no problem. In the Nolan Trilogy I'm pretty sure there are shareholders. It all depends on the contract. Some companies allow CEOs to use the Company's private jet for personal vacations as well as other benefits that are all part of the compensation package for the CEO. So depending on the contract, it could all be perfectly legal.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 4, 2018 0:48:25 GMT
Well, it at least explains his American accent.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 4, 2018 0:49:07 GMT
....I ask purely out of curiosity (these things fascinate me, sorry), but what if a creative lawyer said Bruce was doing community improvement/charity with the Wayne funds and with Bruce as the majority share holder and top CEO type person at the company (plus, as Denny Crane used to like to say on BOSTON LEGAL, "My name on the door"), could they wangle their way out of it being stealing? Also, if the Wayne company has different chunks- perhaps the shareholders aren't attached to the part that does military weapons -which would be Foxx & the Batmobile- but they are attached to some of the medical, real estate, financial, and other tendrals of the Wayne Empire, would he still be stealing from them then? As I said, I'm not being a smart-alec, I honestly wonder about these things. [Full disclosure, I also write in my spare time, and I love knowing weird factoids about business, law, philosophy, economic history, botany, whatever.] Yes, it all depends on the contract. Some companies allow CEOs to use the Company's private jet for personal vacations as well as other benefits that are all part of the compensation package for the CEO. So depending on the contract, it could all be perfectly legal.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 4, 2018 0:50:46 GMT
No, I've said before that Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 are 2 of the top 10 best superhero movies ever made. And I also liked X2: X-Men United and X-Men: Days of Future Past. And X-Men: Dark Phoenix is my most anticipated superhero movie this year, even more so than Aquaman. So you just dislike the MCU...mainly because it trounces the DCEU and XCU at every turn. No, because MCU makes crappy movies.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2018 0:52:16 GMT
So you just dislike the MCU...mainly because it trounces the DCEU and XCU at every turn. No, because MCU makes crappy movies. Movies everyone likes better than the DCEU and XMU.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jan 4, 2018 0:52:42 GMT
All that matters from a sociology-political stand point is if T'Challa has parental issues like Stark or Thor (or Batman or Superman lately), or feels out of place in society like Steve Rogers. Or a bad father like Han, or a failed Jedi like Luke...
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 4, 2018 0:53:45 GMT
Sure thing. MCU rulers sure are total assholes.
Odin was a brutal and ruthless conqueror who had his own daughter serve as an Executioner, until he feared that his daughter had become too ambitious and would take his throne so he banished his daughter to the underworld.
She turned on him first and tried to kill him when she refused to give up her warlike ways. As for where he got his wealth, Bruce Wayne is a white collar criminal who constantly steals from his Shareholders but you don't see any MCU fans bringing that up. What does Bruce Wayne have to do with Odin being a brutal and ruthless conqueror who had his own daughter serve as an Executioner and had many people executed?
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 4, 2018 1:05:30 GMT
....I ask purely out of curiosity (these things fascinate me, sorry), but what if a creative lawyer said Bruce was doing community improvement/charity with the Wayne funds and with Bruce as the majority share holder and top CEO type person at the company (plus, as Denny Crane used to like to say on BOSTON LEGAL, "My name on the door"), could they wangle their way out of it being stealing? Also, if the Wayne company has different chunks- perhaps the shareholders aren't attached to the part that does military weapons -which would be Foxx & the Batmobile- but they are attached to some of the medical, real estate, financial, and other tendrals of the Wayne Empire, would he still be stealing from them then? As I said, I'm not being a smart-alec, I honestly wonder about these things. [Full disclosure, I also write in my spare time, and I love knowing weird factoids about business, law, philosophy, economic history, botany, whatever.] There are ways you could hide it that it would look like you aren't misappropriating resources. You could set up a dummy subsidiary and hide the losses there propping it up with personal funds. The main obligation of a corporation is to get the maximum amount of profit so it can make money for it's shareholders. Now this Fiduciary Obligation is curtailed by the laws of the land of the Entity. Here in the US it's illegal to use child labor. So even though using child labor would be cheaper and maximize profits for the Corporation the ramifications of using it would be detrimental in the long run. Fines and lawsuits would cut into the profit.(the bad PR would also have to be taken into consideration which might lower profits) As a created Entity the Corporation doesn't really care about morality only the bottom line. In NC in the 60's a company was dumping it's waste into the Yadkin River. They did this because it was cheaper to pay the fine for dumping than it was to get rid of the waste legally) The problem with using Wayne technology is the secrecy. If he told the shareholders I am going to use these things to better the city, clean up the slums, or feed the poor. Then the board of directors could voice their opinion. Without that consent and using resources like he does without the knowledge of the board then it's technically stealing. Now if Wayne is like say Chic fa lay a privately owned entity the Owner could do what he wants when he wants because he just has to answer to himself. So he could take company funds and donate money from the Corp to a politician (After Citizen united any Corp. Private or Public can donate to candidates now, but the Public Corps it you couldn't hide it from the board and shareholders) There are lots of gray areas I haven't hit on. I am simplifying this and paraphrasing from my time in Commercial Insurance. I worked for a Carrier and part of my job was to learn Corp Liability Insurance and Business Management Consultation and Planning.
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Post by Vassaggo on Jan 4, 2018 1:11:37 GMT
You know I've never even considered that. If Wayne Enterprise has shareholders then what Bruce does with Wayne Enterprise Tech could be considered stealing. Even if he is using non-used prototypes or has Fox use company time, resources, and money to build things. It would be no different then in real life if a CEO used company resources to build a house and sticking the bill to the company. Or using company money to buy a car. One company I worked for had shareholders and the CEO got caught using the Company's private jet to go on vacation and billed purchases for his wife on his expense account. He was fired and arrested, but I didn't follow the case afterward. I moved on to another company. Now if Wayne Enterprise is privately owned there would be no problem. In the Nolan Trilogy I'm pretty sure there are shareholders. It all depends on the contract. Some companies allow CEOs to use the Company's private jet for personal vacations as well as other benefits that are all part of the compensation package for the CEO. So depending on the contract, it could all be perfectly legal. Absolutely true. That is set out at the beginning of the employment or amended at some point. If it is not clear cut that the CEO can do it and he does it anyway then you start to get into trouble. And most company's wouldn't be that agro about it even if the CEO did it without specific permission to do so. They would only get up in arms usually if it was abused. That being said the amount of resources that Bruce uses pales in comparison to a CEO using the jet to go to Caribbean or bought his wife a $5,000 bracelet on his business expense account.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 4, 2018 2:37:22 GMT
So you just dislike the MCU...mainly because it trounces the DCEU and XCU at every turn. No, because MCU makes movies that neither the XCU nor the DCEU can match up to. Fixed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 4, 2018 2:38:08 GMT
She turned on him first and tried to kill him when she refused to give up her warlike ways. As for where he got his wealth, Bruce Wayne is a white collar criminal who constantly steals from his Shareholders but you don't see any MCU fans bringing that up. What does Bruce Wayne have to do with Odin being a brutal and ruthless conqueror who had his own daughter serve as an Executioner and had many people executed? That if you're against Odin for what he did (and regretted), then you should similarly be upset at Bruce for being a White Collar Criminal who steals from his Shareholders.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 4, 2018 3:37:21 GMT
What does Bruce Wayne have to do with Odin being a brutal and ruthless conqueror who had his own daughter serve as an Executioner and had many people executed? That if you're against Odin for what he did (and regretted), then you should similarly be upset at Bruce for being a White Collar Criminal who steals from his Shareholders. You're comparing a brutal and ruthless conqueror who executed many people to white collar crime?
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 4, 2018 4:29:28 GMT
That if you're against Odin for what he did (and regretted), then you should similarly be upset at Bruce for being a White Collar Criminal who steals from his Shareholders. You're comparing a brutal and ruthless conqueror who executed many people to white collar crime? The crimes of a king who did them for the sake of his entire race vs. the crimes of a loner who did it for his personal vendetta? Heh. At least Odin's wealth was hard won. Bruce didn't even need to work for his money.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 4, 2018 4:39:18 GMT
You're comparing a brutal and ruthless conqueror who executed many people to white collar crime? At least Odin's wealth was hard won. By executing anyone who opposed his tyranny.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 4, 2018 5:01:43 GMT
At least Odin's wealth was hard won. By executing anyone who opposed his tyranny. Yes, by doing what pretty much majority of human kings or rulers did who built great empires. It doesn't absolve them of their sins but at least they put effort into it. Bruce not only received his money without ever lifting a finger for it, he even abused it by using funds from his company for his own vendetta. Odin's sins are more horrifying but he also accomplished more.
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