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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 1:29:37 GMT
The MCU has 3 problems with their female costumes:
1. They're mostly comic inaccurate:
Scarlet Witch, Gamora, Nebula, Elektra, Valkyrie... none of them are dressed like their comic counterparts. I understand that changes need to be made to make comic costumes transition well into the big screen, but at least with the MCU's male characters they were still able to maintain enough of the original look to be recognizable. Some are comic accurate enough, like Black Widow, but honestly a black body suit isn't that hard to replicate. The rest though... but to be fair, I understand it's hard to do because of reason #2
2. They're too conservative:
Yes, I understand that a lot of female comic costumes are way too racy to completely adapt on screen. Some of them are skimpy enough to only be legitimate in porn. And yet, is it too much too ask that the costumes should be made to flatter the heroine's physical attractiveness? After all, they have no issues sexualizing the male characters over and over again, both when they're out of costume or in costume. I'm not saying that Scarlet Witch needs to dressed in a monokini but it's almost as if the MCU (or more accurately Disney) is just plain afraid to show female skin. Say what you want about Wonder Woman's and Psylocke's costume, you have to appreciate the gall it takes to bring such costumes to screen. . To be fair though, I'm willing to forgive the more conservative tone of the costumes if they were at least eye-catching, which brings me to the last point:
3. They're just plain boring:
The colors are drab. The designs are meh. The quality leaves a lot to be desired. Just compare the difference between Thor's costume and Valkyrie's in Ragnarok. Valkyrie's costume looks like something you buy in Walmart for Halloween. Gamora's costume looks so dull even when compared to Starlords. The male costumes may not be as colorful as their comic counterparts but they're given enough detail and colors to have individuality and personality. To look interesting. The female costumes are just kind of.... there. Even Hawkeye's costume has more personality than Black Widow's.
So far the only good costume has been Hela. It was eye catching, it wasn't afraid to look physically flattering and it resembled her comic appearance enough. Sif isn't exactly bad but it's still very muted compared to the other Asgardians. The others though... I hope something's done for them in the future.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 3, 2018 1:44:45 GMT
Wanda's costume is derived from her X-Men Evolution outfit.
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Post by scabab on Jan 3, 2018 1:56:38 GMT
They have been pretty boring, especially compared to Wonder Woman's costume though that is more iconic I suppose.
Hopefully the Captain Marvel costume is better.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 3, 2018 3:34:37 GMT
At some point, they're just gonna have to bite the bullet. I mean, people still complained about WW's outfit despite liking the movie so it is what it is.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 7:01:53 GMT
Ok fellas, this is not about the personality or development of the characters. Simply their costumes.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 3, 2018 8:14:28 GMT
Giving the current political climate it would be suicide for Marvel to put their women in skimpier comic accurate clothing.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 3, 2018 13:33:19 GMT
Not only would their comic costumes make them look like prostitutes, they'd look terrible onscreen. Those things just don't translate well to live action.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 15:17:17 GMT
Giving the current political climate it would be suicide for Marvel to put their women in skimpier comic accurate clothing. But DC and even Fox lately didn't seem to have problems with it. Besides, I'm not asking for skimpier costumes per se, simply that they're given better and more attractive costumes. Just look at Hela's costume: it wasn't skimpy at all yet it was beautifully done. You can tell that the costume department put quite some effort into it, a lot more than the average MCU female costume. And though it was definitely sexy, no one can complain that it was inappropriately so. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 15:18:54 GMT
Not only would their comic costumes make them look like prostitutes, they'd look terrible onscreen. Those things just don't translate well to live action. Not asking for complete comic accurate costumes, just that they're given the same care and attention as their male costumes. A happy medium between comic costume and conservative should be easily doable. A good example is Supergirl's costume in her CW show. Her costume, though modified, is still instantly recognizable as Supergirl. I bet if you found a comicbook nerd who hasn't watched a single episode of Daredevil, showed them Elodie Yung's Elektra picture in full costume minus weapons, they'd probably have no idea who she is. Supergirl's costume is padded and contoured in some areas to add to her form and figure, same way majority of male costumes are done so. From Superman to Batman to Thor to Captain America to BP to even Spiderman, they all have some kind of form contoured costume but for some reason I don't see it in any of the MCU female costumes other than Hela and maybe a breastplate here and there. The last but still important detail is that the fabric of Supergirl's costume is textured, like Superman's. Again, you see this a lot with male costumes. Batman, Spiderman, Captain America's, Thor's arms... yet other than Hela I don't believe any MCU heroine has textured clothing. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2018 17:18:22 GMT
Ok fellas, this is not about the personality or development of the characters. Simply their costumes. In some cases it is. Take Gamora for example. Her character in the movies aren't sexual or even passively sexual enough to warrant her comics costume. But they take elements from it for the top and threw fishnet over it. I'd like to see a version of this one, though.  |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2018 17:25:22 GMT
Not only would their comic costumes make them look like prostitutes, they'd look terrible onscreen. Those things just don't translate well to live action. Not asking for complete comic accurate costumes, just that they're given the same care and attention as their male costumes. A happy medium between comic costume and conservative should be easily doable. A good example is Supergirl's costume in her CW show. Her costume, though modified, is still instantly recognizable as Supergirl. I bet if you found a comicbook nerd who hasn't watched a single episode of Daredevil, showed them Elodie Yung's Elektra picture in full costume minus weapons, they'd probably have no idea who she is. Supergirl's costume is padded and contoured in some areas to add to her form and figure, same way majority of male costumes are done so. From Superman to Batman to Thor to Captain America to BP to even Spiderman, they all have some kind of form contoured costume but for some reason I don't see it in any of the MCU female costumes other than Hela and maybe a breastplate here and there. The last but still important detail is that the fabric of Supergirl's costume is textured, like Superman's. Again, you see this a lot with male costumes. Batman, Spiderman, Captain America's, Thor's arms... yet other than Hela I don't believe any MCU heroine has textured clothing. Seriously? How can you not know that was Elektra? Because she's not in all red?  |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2018 17:29:07 GMT
Here's Elektra's costume inversed.  How can you not know that is suppose to be her? |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 17:46:14 GMT
Not asking for complete comic accurate costumes, just that they're given the same care and attention as their male costumes. A happy medium between comic costume and conservative should be easily doable. A good example is Supergirl's costume in her CW show. Her costume, though modified, is still instantly recognizable as Supergirl. I bet if you found a comicbook nerd who hasn't watched a single episode of Daredevil, showed them Elodie Yung's Elektra picture in full costume minus weapons, they'd probably have no idea who she is. Supergirl's costume is padded and contoured in some areas to add to her form and figure, same way majority of male costumes are done so. From Superman to Batman to Thor to Captain America to BP to even Spiderman, they all have some kind of form contoured costume but for some reason I don't see it in any of the MCU female costumes other than Hela and maybe a breastplate here and there. The last but still important detail is that the fabric of Supergirl's costume is textured, like Superman's. Again, you see this a lot with male costumes. Batman, Spiderman, Captain America's, Thor's arms... yet other than Hela I don't believe any MCU heroine has textured clothing. Seriously? How can you not know that was Elektra? Because she's not in all red? Take away her sais then show that pic to someone who hasn't watched this show and has no knowledge about it but is familiar with Elektra from the comics. I bet they won't immediately recognize her as Elektra. They might land a lucky guess that it's Elektra, but they can just as easily assume she's a ninja from the League of Shadows or a Clipper from Bad Lands or another character from some other show. I mean, it's not like that costume is any more Elektra-ish than Nyssa Al Ghul's in Arrow:  Compare that to the latest movie/TV costumes of Batman, Captain America, Spiderman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Psylocke and even Daredevil and anyone who's familiar with their characters will immediately recognize them. It takes more than simply putting a character's color theme into their costumes to actually make a good costume you know. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 18:55:55 GMT
Ok fellas, this is not about the personality or development of the characters. Simply their costumes. In some cases it is. Take Gamora for example. Her character in the movies aren't sexual or even passively sexual enough to warrant her comics costume. But they take elements from it for the top and threw fishnet over it. I'd like to see a version of this one, though. A skintight leather outfit is actually quite difficult to move in. It's far easier to move around with less clothes on, as you see with MMA fighters and gymnasts. Baring skin is not always due to sexuality, sometimes it's done as a matter of practicality. Not saying Gamora should wear her comic costume, just want to point out that you don't need to be sexualized in order to bare a bit more skin. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2018 20:18:39 GMT
In some cases it is. Take Gamora for example. Her character in the movies aren't sexual or even passively sexual enough to warrant her comics costume. But they take elements from it for the top and threw fishnet over it. I'd like to see a version of this one, though. A skintight leather outfit is actually quite difficult to move in. It's far easier to move around with less clothes on, as you see with MMA fighters and gymnasts. Baring skin is not always due to sexuality, sometimes it's done as a matter of practicality. Not saying Gamora should wear her comic costume, just want to point out that you don't need to be sexualized in order to bare a bit more skin. When it comes to the type of costume her comics counterpart wears... yes it is a bit sexualized.  And her movie suit is a bit looser than say the X-men's suits. Which was very hard for them to move in. Making it so that they have knee pads make them easier to fight in. I mean, look at her running in the movies. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2018 20:27:34 GMT
Seriously? How can you not know that was Elektra? Because she's not in all red? Take away her sais then show that pic to someone who hasn't watched this show and has no knowledge about it but is familiar with Elektra from the comics. I bet they won't immediately recognize her as Elektra. They might land a lucky guess that it's Elektra, but they can just as easily assume she's a ninja from the League of Shadows or a Clipper from Bad Lands or another character from some other show. I mean, it's not like that costume is any more Elektra-ish than Nyssa Al Ghul's in Arrow: Compare that to the latest movie/TV costumes of Batman, Captain America, Spiderman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Psylocke and even Daredevil and anyone who's familiar with their characters will immediately recognize them. It takes more than simply putting a character's color theme into their costumes to actually make a good costume you know. The only thing that makes them similar is the color scheme. You know what part does it for her suit? The loincloth. The arm length gloves. The sleeveless top. The only thing that she is missing is the head scarf. But then, her Defenders suit is even closer to her comics look. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 20:28:48 GMT
A skintight leather outfit is actually quite difficult to move in. It's far easier to move around with less clothes on, as you see with MMA fighters and gymnasts. Baring skin is not always due to sexuality, sometimes it's done as a matter of practicality. Not saying Gamora should wear her comic costume, just want to point out that you don't need to be sexualized in order to bare a bit more skin. When it comes to the type of costume her comics counterpart wears... yes it is a bit sexualized. And her movie suit is a bit looser than say the X-men's suits. Which was very hard for them to move in. Making it so that they have knee pads make them easier to fight in. I mean, look at her running in the movies. I don't think you understand my point at all. Almost like you're strawmanning. I didn't say her comic costume wasn't sexualized, I said a skimpier suit may have other purposes than just sexual in nature. I also did not ask for a fully comic accurate costume, merely a compromise that's still better done and has more personality than her dull costume. And it's not impossible to bring even racier female costumes to screen... with a few alterations here and there. Psylocke and WW has proven that. But I'm not even asking for that, just that some more quality be given to what she wears. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2018 20:52:24 GMT
When it comes to the type of costume her comics counterpart wears... yes it is a bit sexualized. And her movie suit is a bit looser than say the X-men's suits. Which was very hard for them to move in. Making it so that they have knee pads make them easier to fight in. I mean, look at her running in the movies. I don't think you understand my point at all. Almost like you're strawmanning. I didn't say her comic costume wasn't sexualized, I said a skimpier suit may have other purposes than just sexual in nature. I also did not ask for a fully comic accurate costume, merely a compromise that's still better done and has more personality than her dull costume. And it's not impossible to bring even racier female costumes to screen... with a few alterations here and there. Psylocke and WW has proven that. But I'm not even asking for that, just that some more quality be given to what she wears. They did compromise.  The only difference is that she is wearing long pants. Her top is the same. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 3, 2018 20:53:25 GMT
Take away her sais then show that pic to someone who hasn't watched this show and has no knowledge about it but is familiar with Elektra from the comics. I bet they won't immediately recognize her as Elektra. They might land a lucky guess that it's Elektra, but they can just as easily assume she's a ninja from the League of Shadows or a Clipper from Bad Lands or another character from some other show. I mean, it's not like that costume is any more Elektra-ish than Nyssa Al Ghul's in Arrow: Compare that to the latest movie/TV costumes of Batman, Captain America, Spiderman, Wonder Woman, Supergirl, Psylocke and even Daredevil and anyone who's familiar with their characters will immediately recognize them. It takes more than simply putting a character's color theme into their costumes to actually make a good costume you know. The only thing that makes them similar is the color scheme. You know what part does it for her suit? The loincloth. The arm length gloves. The sleeveless top. The only thing that she is missing is the head scarf. But then, her Defenders suit is even closer to her comics look. Arm length gloves and a sleeveless top? That's what you think distinguishes her as Elektra? That's a bit of a reach, considering that a lot of female characters use sleeveless tops and high gloves, not to mention the fact that comic Elektra's costume doesn't even use a sleeveless top nor arm length gloves. The loincloth is better, but again that's not exactly enough to distinguis her as Elektra. Numerous Ninjas and Samurai-esque characters use similar clothing style. I stand by my original statement: if you had no idea who she was and just saw her picture, you wouldn't immediately associate her with Elektrs. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 3, 2018 21:19:06 GMT
The only thing that makes them similar is the color scheme. You know what part does it for her suit? The loincloth. The arm length gloves. The sleeveless top. The only thing that she is missing is the head scarf. But then, her Defenders suit is even closer to her comics look. Arm length gloves and a sleeveless top? That's what you think distinguishes her as Elektra? That's a bit of a reach, considering that a lot of female characters use sleeveless tops and high gloves, not to mention the fact that comic Elektra's costume doesn't even use a sleeveless top nor arm length gloves. The loincloth is better, but again that's not exactly enough to distinguis her as Elektra. Numerous Ninjas and Samurai-esque characters use similar clothing style. I stand by my original statement: if you had no idea who she was and just saw her picture, you wouldn't immediately associate her with Elektrs. The funny thing about what you are saying is that you are dismissing everything that makes her costume Elektra's costume and saying others have it. The problem isn't with the live action costumes. The problem is with your view of the comics' costumes. If you can't see who she is then you don't know what the character looks like in the first place. |
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