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Post by Skaathar on Jan 7, 2018 3:17:21 GMT
There are very very few MCU characters that are actually low risk. Majority of their characters are high risk.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 3:22:53 GMT
Insults are not allowed here. You just broke the rules our Mods set.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 3:28:42 GMT
Insults are not allowed here. You just broke the rules our Mods set. How was that an insult? I was just telling him how it is. Perhaps I could have tried to figure out a nicer way to say it I guess. But if someone says something stupid you have to call them out on it. How else will they learn otherwise?
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Post by poelzig on Jan 7, 2018 7:19:05 GMT
Marvel doesn't take risks and aren't about to start now. Celluloid cotton candy is what the great unwashed clamor for and the mcu is spun together with lots of pretty sparkly lights LOUD awesome noises and stock characters that were creaky when vaudeville was young. The mcu audience never want anything to happen they are not expecting. It upsets the kids and confuses the adults. Never stray from the formula.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 7, 2018 7:32:43 GMT
Marvel doesn't take risks and aren't about to start now. Celluloid cotton candy is what the great unwashed clamor for and the mcu is spun together with lots of pretty sparkly lights LOUD awesome noises and stock characters that were creaky when vaudeville was young. The mcu audience never want anything to happen they are not expecting. It upsets the kids and confuses the adults. Never stray from the formula. Yeah, so come with us and celebrate the new dark age. It's not going to end any time soon.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 7, 2018 13:39:20 GMT
Marvel doesn't take risks and aren't about to start now. What, like DC and the XCU have?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 17:03:26 GMT
Marvel doesn't take risks and aren't about to start now. What, like DC and the XCU have? Um.... Yes? What was the point of that post?
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 7, 2018 17:17:13 GMT
What, like DC and the XCU have? Um.... Yes? Except they haven't. There's little to no risk in any DCEU or XCU film. The XCU has remained static since 2000 and the DCEU hasn't innovated at all. The XCU had to be pretty much forced into making Deadpool against their will by Ryan Reynolds.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 7, 2018 17:18:02 GMT
Okay, thought about this a little. The reason that changing Superman and Batman didn't work is the same reason they made the Knightfall trilogy in the comics. People were wanting that Dark Knight Returns type of Batman in regular continuity. We got that more violent Batman that killed the villains and people hated it. If they wanted to re-imagine Batman they should have gone that route and had Jean-Paul Valley as the character. Because this is suppose to be that prime DC movie universe. The movie version of the comics like what the MCU is to the Marvel comics. When you start a character off in that way then that is the character. Everybody in the universe and the audience sees the character that way. Now we have a movie Batman that is killing people while at the same time worried about a guy killing people. I wonder what would happen if Marvel made a Moon Knight movie...
Also, Luke wasn't a re-imagining, but a continuation. It's what became of him 30 years since we've last seen him. We've gotten a gauge of Luke. The Batman in BvS isn't "broken" for all we know. That's how Batman has always been in that universe.
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 7, 2018 19:01:33 GMT
Marvel doesn't take risks and aren't about to start now. Celluloid cotton candy is what the great unwashed clamor for and the mcu is spun together with lots of pretty sparkly lights LOUD awesome noises and stock characters that were creaky when vaudeville was young. The mcu audience never want anything to happen they are not expecting. It upsets the kids and confuses the adults. Never stray from the formula. What nonsense. The MCU has taken more risks than dceu and xcu combined.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2018 20:38:45 GMT
Except they haven't. There's little to no risk in any DCEU or XCU film. The XCU has remained static since 2000 and the DCEU hasn't innovated at all. The XCU had to be pretty much forced into making Deadpool against their will by Ryan Reynolds. Don't be ridiculous. I'm not a big fan of either of those series. (XCU is X-Men universe I'm guessing?) but you are totally wrong. They may not be very innovative, but they are much more so than the MCU. In the DC one, Superman and Batman are very flawed characters, with Superman's fights causing much damage with innocent casualties, which is addressed in the BvS movie. Batman is shown to be a murderer. Main characters have been killed. There is actual stakes and danger shown unlike in MCU. The movies are not great though. Man of Steel and Wonder Woman were good, with BvS decent and Suicide Squad pretty average. With the X-Men universe, you have flawed and interesting characters like Wolverine and Charles Xavier, shown especially in Logan (2017). Deadpool was garbage, and shouldn't be considered part of that universe. Apart from a few these of these movies which are great, the rest aren't too special but are still much better than what the MCU keep making. All their movies look the same aesthetically, there are no stakes or danger and are just very formulaic. But to get the best of Marvel and DC you still can't beat the ones that came before these "Universe" movies like Nolan's Batman and Raimi's Spider-Man. Although I guess the X-Men movies back then technically are the beginning of that universe.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 7, 2018 20:50:13 GMT
They may not be very innovative, but they are much more so than the MCU. Neither would ever have the balls to make movies about their C and D lister characters the way the MCU has. It's mentioned briefly and then totally abandoned. The MCU did the same thing but built it up properly. And the movies don't make it out to be bad. The MCU has plenty of mains kill. Who, exactly? Superman? It was totally clear he'd be back. Oh yes, the only way to have stakes is to mass execute your cast every movie...the only reason people have this misconception over the MCU is because they're nice enough to tell us about future movies. Of course, instead of being grateful you just complain more. The same one story told over and over for 17 years. So you're pissed they took the extra effort to make it clear it's all one universe. You must seriously hate Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, etc. Because they won't kill off their whole cast every flick, got it. Eh, the MCU has beaten Raimi and Nolan's movies only worked because at the time he had no real competition. Put them out now and they wouldn't do so well.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 7, 2018 21:15:44 GMT
Except they haven't. There's little to no risk in any DCEU or XCU film. The XCU has remained static since 2000 and the DCEU hasn't innovated at all. The XCU had to be pretty much forced into making Deadpool against their will by Ryan Reynolds. Don't be ridiculous. I'm not a big fan of either of those series. (XCU is X-Men universe I'm guessing?) but you are totally wrong. They may not be very innovative, but they are much more so than the MCU. In the DC one, Superman and Batman are very flawed characters, with Superman's fights causing much damage with innocent casualties, which is addressed in the BvS movie. Batman is shown to be a murderer. Main characters have been killed. There is actual stakes and danger shown unlike in MCU. The movies are not great though. Man of Steel and Wonder Woman were good, with BvS decent and Suicide Squad pretty average. With the X-Men universe, you have flawed and interesting characters like Wolverine and Charles Xavier, shown especially in Logan (2017). Deadpool was garbage, and shouldn't be considered part of that universe. Apart from a few these of these movies which are great, the rest aren't too special but are still much better than what the MCU keep making. All their movies look the same aesthetically, there are no stakes or danger and are just very formulaic. But to get the best of Marvel and DC you still can't beat the ones that came before these "Universe" movies like Nolan's Batman and Raimi's Spider-Man. Although I guess the X-Men movies back then technically are the beginning of that universe. In the DCEU, they took no risks with Batman and Superman. Only stupid directions. Man of Steel they thought that trying to Nolan-ize Superman would work. In BvS, they just did their most popular stories: The Death of Superman and The Dark Knight Returns. It was basically a 2.5 hour long version of "Wet on Wet with Deadpool". Jump right to near the end of their comic lives. It's like doing Batman Begins up to the point at the docks, then finish the movie with The Dark Knight Rises.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 7, 2018 22:14:44 GMT
There are no consequences in the MCU. Each film starts and ends with a bow tie safely packed and assured for the next assembly line film - where you gussed it, the same characters will have disputes either with themselves or a pathetic villain yet the heros will walk away unhurt without a scratch, mentally sane, cheerful and ready to go for the next entry where the formula is repeated all over again.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 7, 2018 22:46:10 GMT
There are no consequences in the MCU. If you're expecting them to mass execute the entire cast every movie, maybe. You're describing the X-Men, mainly how Xavier refuses to kill Magneto.
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Post by poelzig on Jan 8, 2018 0:02:06 GMT
Marvel doesn't take risks and aren't about to start now. Celluloid cotton candy is what the great unwashed clamor for and the mcu is spun together with lots of pretty sparkly lights LOUD awesome noises and stock characters that were creaky when vaudeville was young. The mcu audience never want anything to happen they are not expecting. It upsets the kids and confuses the adults. Never stray from the formula. What nonsense. The MCU has taken more risks than dceu and xcu combined. Except they haven't. Same goofy but forgettable formula for every movie. How is that taking a risk in any way at all?
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Post by poelzig on Jan 8, 2018 0:16:19 GMT
Marvel doesn't take risks and aren't about to start now. What, like DC and the XCU have? Yes. You love displaying your inability to understand anything, huh? Is that why you are always acting like a petulant child and stomping your fat little foot and changing everyone's posts? Do you hold your breath when you do it or perhaps jam your pudgy fingers in your ears and yell some silly nursery rhyme over and over? Only child, huh?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Jan 8, 2018 0:29:31 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 8, 2018 1:03:14 GMT
What nonsense. The MCU has taken more risks than dceu and xcu combined. Except they haven't. Same goofy but forgettable formula for every movie. How is that taking a risk in any way at all? Except they have. Utiling B-D grade heroes in multimillion dollar movies and changing character personalities over multiple movies and changing up stereotypical superhero tropes. Remind me again how you think the DCEU and XCU have taken more risks?
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Post by poelzig on Jan 8, 2018 1:27:57 GMT
Except they haven't. Same goofy but forgettable formula for every movie. How is that taking a risk in any way at all? Except they have. Utiling B-D grade heroes in multimillion dollar movies and changing character personalities over multiple movies and changing up stereotypical superhero tropes. Remind me again how you think the DCEU and XCU have taken more risks? I know mcu sycophants keep pretending that a movie not about cap or iron man is somehow a risk but it's not. The average movie goer has NO IDEA who is or isn't a popular comic book character. It's only comic reading types that think of characters as a or b or whatever grade. So making a movie about Ant man was not a risk but it was a shitty movie. Lucky for the mcu they used that same tired cotton candy formula I mentioned and it was a hit.
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