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Post by fartyfartsalot on Jan 17, 2018 2:04:05 GMT
I gotta agree. Trump is bulletproof if only because he absolutely does not care. Politics is not his career. Destroying his political career will have no effect on his bottom line. He could not care less about what he says or does at this point. And that is truly being bulletproof. Exactly. And along those same lines, he refuses to apologize for anything and he refuses to be politically-correct. Now, I'm not saying those are good human traits (the first is horrible and the second is situational), but it's hard to really nail someone if they won't ever back down. It becomes akin to an internet debate. You just get tired of arguing after a while. Obama had a much more interesting set of characteristics that made him bullet-proof. You like whites? He's part white. You like blacks? He's part black. You like Jews? Barack is Jewish. You like Arabs? Hussein is Arab. You like Christians? He professes to be one. You like Muslims? He learned at a madrassah. You don't like any religion? Neither did his mom. You like Africa? His dad was from there. I wrote a song about Obama once and one of the lyric lines was "He's every man." Do you think Trump has more charisma than Obama?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 4:55:21 GMT
Exactly. And along those same lines, he refuses to apologize for anything and he refuses to be politically-correct. Now, I'm not saying those are good human traits (the first is horrible and the second is situational), but it's hard to really nail someone if they won't ever back down. It becomes akin to an internet debate. You just get tired of arguing after a while. Obama had a much more interesting set of characteristics that made him bullet-proof. You like whites? He's part white. You like blacks? He's part black. You like Jews? Barack is Jewish. You like Arabs? Hussein is Arab. You like Christians? He professes to be one. You like Muslims? He learned at a madrassah. You don't like any religion? Neither did his mom. You like Africa? His dad was from there. I wrote a song about Obama once and one of the lyric lines was "He's every man." Do you think Trump has more charisma than Obama? Nope. I'd say they are equally charismatic. Obama is far more articulate (which plays to elites) and tends to stir up emotions like a preacher, reaching for that inspiring, spiritually-charged feeling. And getting it. Trump is less articulate (which plays to blue-collar) and tends to stir up emotions like a football coach, reaching for that stubborn, you-can't-move-our-line kind of passion. And getting it. You know who wasn't charismatic? Hillary Clinton. Oh, she tried. Trump once said when asked about what quality he respected in Hillary, that no one tried harder (or no one worked harder; I can't remember which). But I agree with the sentiment. She worked her ass off trying, but she's just not naturally charismatic. It came off as fake. Howard Dean came off as fake in 2006 much earlier in the process and it cost him. I'll give Dems credit for at least trying to be charismatic in those cases though, because when Republicans sent McCain and Romney up to bat (not to mention Bob Dole and George Sr. going further back), those clowns didn't even try to be charismatic. You can usually tell who's going to win the elections. It's the person with the most charisma, especially when they are bullet-proof. But don't forget, you can throw that out the window for a president's second term election. He will always win that second term so long as the jobs/economic situation looks good going into the election. Nothing else matters. People will say that other things matter in polls and to their friends, but when they go in that booth and they know that they've been getting good raises during the incumbent's term, they will vote for the incumbent. So be smart. Do what I did. I knew Obama was a winner from the moment I first saw him on tv. And so what if I'm a staunch conservative? You know what I did? I found a staunch, conservative friend who hated him and I bet $100 he'd win. The second term was a less risky bet of course, but this guy really, really hated him, so I knew he'd take the bet again and so we did and I won again. Conversely, when I saw Trump own the rest of the Republicans at the first primary debate, I challenged one of my staunch, liberal friends to bet $100. Ha, now at first, mind you, liberals didn't really hate Trump, because he was embarrassing the hell out of the rest of the Republicans and plus they were rooting for him to win because they thought if he did win, surely he'd get creamed in the general. So I had to go out on a limb and give him the entire Republican field, which of course he took. Which I won. Then came time for said creaming in the general. But see, Trump was a winner. He was charismatic. That means you can build a sizable base and if you're bullet-proof (as Obama was and as Trump is currently), no matter what "mistake" you might make, your base doesn't move an inch, or, as Trump so Trumpishly put, he could shoot someone in the street and his base wouldn't care. So I knew he was going to beat Clinton. I told the guy I'd give him a chance to win his money back and, of course, he took the bet. So listen up, if you want to make some money, see what the economy is doing and how many jobs have been "created" or "lost" leading up to the next general election. If things are bad or even kind of "meh," find yourself a conservative friend and bet on the Democrat. But if things are looking up, put aside your hatred for the Donald, find yourself a liberal friend with a lot of money and bet the house. Because if that economy's rolling, I don't care how much outcry there is over all the ridiculous things Trump says on Twitter, he's going to win. The incumbent always does. That's more consistent than charisma.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 5:20:45 GMT
Obama was charismatic but hopelessly incapable of speaking extemporaneously. I had heard he was the 'great communicator' of our generation. He was more thespian than anything else. When he didn't have a script he was as bad as Bush 43. No joke.
Obama's most glaring deficiency as a leader was he was an inveterate liar. The people who fell in love with the mythical Obama could never dare to detach themselves from that, leaving them as little more than his congregation, willing to hear anything he said, lies and all, and follow him over the cliff. I saw him on full display lie to the world about Wright and I knew from that point on his was full of shit. But the Obama wave was in full force and nothing was going to stop him. People wanted to believe in him. But the Obama people voted for was not the Obama he really was. He never should have been president.
If liberals had been smart, and they are mostly not smart, they would have elected Hillary, who at that time was hugely popular and would have easily won election and likely re-election. Then they would have had Obama for 2016 and 2020. It was so obvious and yet they went with Obama. Obama tapped Hillary as Sec of State and she revealed her total incompetency.
Trump, by contrast, is not a real politician at all, which I like. He ran on a lot of contentious issues, taking sides liberals are trained to hate, and that's why he was elected. He is nowhere the orator Obama was but he is far more genuine. When Trump calls some other countries 'shitholes', he is only saying what most Americans think. I don't see any liberals running to Mexico to live. Or to Haiti. California is a shithole, too. Not all of it, but liberals have really done a number on California, destroying was once America's greatest state. There are a lot of shitholes in Africa. And in the Middle East. Trust me on that.
The wall is something we should all agree on. Just like voter ID laws. We should all be for them. But liberals aren't. And for one reason. They depend on illegal voters and voting. It's that simple. I was a liberal. I saw where this was going ten years ago. Liberalism is a bankrupt ideology. The proof? That they so desperately need illegals to fill their ranks that they will overlook anything an illegal does, up to and including murder. The wall would be a permanent fixture against illegal entry into the United States. We should all be for it. There is no legit reason to be against it. The money we would save in one year due to illegals entering America would pay for it. It would serve to protect American citizens. That is the oath all these Democrats take and yet break constantly.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 17, 2018 15:22:44 GMT
Ha, when the Rev. Wright stuff came out was exactly when I enticed my conservative friend into our first bet. He was just so sure that was the bullet that was going to take Obama down. I remember that argument well. I kept warning him Obama had the stuff to overcome even that obstacle. With almost any other politician, I would have been wrong. Because you're right; he got caught full-on in a lie right there. Didn't matter. His base didn't care.
Just like how Trump says and does things that would have sunk any of those other Republicans who ran against him in the primaries.
Speaking of saying things, I find the whole shithole thing interesting simply from a cultural perspective. "Shit" used to be a word you couldn't say on the news. Even cable news. The first time I heard someone say it recently, I thought for sure it was a censoring mistake. Then I heard it again and again and again. As a conservative, I can fairly admit that this is certainly one social drawback of having a blunt president. Most of the bluntness will pay off, but I kind of liked the world better when we didn't say "shit" on daytime news.
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