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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 20:38:45 GMT
Well, that's not correct either. Science is all about refining as we learn more. Just look at what happened as scientists refined the definition of a planet. Bingo. And not just feminist theory, but also failing to realize that gender roles/traditions/norms/etc are cultural constructs and not some biological imperative. History proves that. This is no different than people who would argue homosexuality is a mental disorder. That scientists' understanding of gay people is nothing more than a political agenda. Science is about refining as we learn more but words that have a scientific basis don't get redefined. Cancer can casually mean 'a bad thing' within a cultural context but it's meaning can't change that flimsily in a scientific context. It's a very different thing. And feminist theory is the very definition of a cultural influence. This is what happens you promote the social sciences for 40 years. Homosexuality was never deemed a mental disorder by real science; it was always an accepted aspect of sexuality in nature. It was deemed a mental disorder by the social sciences (psychiatry and psychology). Those social sciences that you're now taking seriously. This is where the crossover becomes problematic. The science of culture is a pretty flimsy affair. I can fully understand biologists wanting to distance themselves by hiding behind the word sex and hoping gender disappears into the realms of reality TV and political activism.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 22, 2017 20:47:15 GMT
Incorrect. As I pointed out: planet. Virus went through many iterations. So did bacteria and even cells. So, yes, we refine what we learn. We also refine the words we use to give knowledge meaning. Science is not stagnant. It's not about holding onto firm beliefs like a zealot.
Yes. Progress. Progress is a good thing. It's why we don't use leeches to cure illnesses anymore. It's why homosexuality is no longer a crime. It's why women can vote and have jobs. It's why black people are no longer slaves. Cultural influence.
That's not true either. Homosexuality was seen as a choice for decades, if not centuries, in the scientific community. Far longer than the social sciences have existed.
The true problem is believing the biological scientists have more prestige than the social scientists. This of course discards the hard work social scientists do and the years they've put into their line of work.
It's not about gender disappearing. It's about them understanding more. Knowing that gender is a cultural construct.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2017 21:42:32 GMT
Um no. What you've done there is take new scientific discoveries and conflate them with proof of new definitions of words. What I'm talking about is a scientific term with an established scientific meaning then having that meaning subverted for political reasons. You know, like what you're doing.
Um no again. Eugenics was a social science. It didn't lead to progress; it lead to stupidity. Try again.
This is nonsense. Scientific thinking has recognised homosexuality in nature for a very long time. We did not believe the two male dogs were fucking each other because they were making a choice. Our thinking on the subject when applied to humanity took on a religious dimension certainly but the concept of homosexuality being a wrong thing was firmly established and pushed by social sciences -- not buy biologists.
Social science is fine... until it encroaches on biological science with an agenda.
I didn't say it was about gender disappearing; I said it was about the word gender disappearing as a term intrinsic to biological science. The zealots own the word now. The biologists are getting on with their work and waving bye-bye to it.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Mar 22, 2017 22:20:16 GMT
Not true. Planet had its definition refined by the scientific community. There was a fountain of media coverage about it. Don't see how you could've missed it. Virus itself has gone through several definitions as scientists debated whether it is or isn't a living organism. Just like with those two examples, gender itself is being refined due to more nuanced understanding of it, not just due to some political agenda. Incorrect to link eugenics as a mere social science. As it had full-on biological applications. And horrific ones at that. Nor is eugenics the same as feminist theory. Try that one again yourself. Not at all. No, we did not believe that about dogs, but we did not equate humans with dogs either. When dogs did it, they were just dumb animals; hence why homosexuality in humans was seen as a choice. Even by scientists. We have the cognitive ability to make those choices about our sexuality, as they believed. Biologists did not recognize homosexuality as nature. Particularly, since a lot of them did have those same old religious beliefs. It was not just the social scientists who saw it as wrong. Many biologists did as well, seeing as how it did not have anything to do with reproduction. Incorrect again to believe social scientists are not scientists. They're not zealots either. Claiming biologists are waving bye-bye to is the equivalent of saying they waved bye-bye to the belief that white people are superior to black people just to placate the political climate. The biologists are learning just as the social scientists are. One science is not cut off from another. Science does not exist in a vacuum. Once again, incorrect. As scientists agree, gender is cultural. It has not encroached on sex, which is biological. Don't worry. It's not coming to take it away. It's helping to refine it. As science is wont to do.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 11:29:26 GMT
I'm willing to entertain non-binary. If minds are somewhat created by sexual selection it does make sense that there would exist a continuum between the two points. Obviously we work through our massive social constructs, but it seems obvious as we become more connected newer categories are created to accommodate.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 23, 2017 15:52:14 GMT
That's spurious to say the least. Firstly, those words maintained their meaning even when new evidence arrived and secondly, the new evidence was not pushed by a political agenda. What evidence of the third, fourth, or fifth genders have we acquired that would warrant such a push?
Huh? What utter nonsense. Eugenics had no basis in biology whatsoever (that was kind of the point). It was an attempt at a social understanding of scientific biology. In other words, you take a fixed science then you add your political outlook to it until you get the conclusion you want. You know, like the ludicrous phantom genders that you people want.
Again, you're missing the point (either wilfully or because it offends your political ideology) The point is that biological science accepted and understood homosexuality to be a naturally occurring phenomena (that was the extent to their scientific knowledge). It was the social sciences (eagerly lead by religionists) that pushed for an ethical interpretation of that knowledge. No-one doubts that scientists can be strong-armed into agreeing with a social agenda (that AGAIN is the point I've been making about the gender issue).
Where did I say they were? I said that the zealots (who very often influence the social scientists) own the word now.
This is more gibberish. Of course they're waving bye-bye to it. We've established that gender is a cultural construct, have we not? Why would biologists give a fuck about cultural constructs? They're biologists.
Um no, not incorrect (I do not think that word means what you think it means). It is entirely correct that social sciences should never encroach on real science. That's how you end up with idiotic nonsense like Eugenics and 72 genders.
Still waiting to see your evidence for even a third gender. Maybe you can spot them by a combination of the shape of their head and their ethnicity. Maybe a big nose indicates gender 43?
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Mar 31, 2017 4:17:47 GMT
Ha ha, preachcaleb is trying so hard to be an sjw he continues to argue like a fool.
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Mar 31, 2017 4:18:41 GMT
Still waiting, champ. Show us scientific proof there are 18 genders. So you can't actually read. Still waiting for that proof that there are 64 genders, champ.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 12:09:03 GMT
I don't know why you would be, since I've never once claimed that there are.
Meanwhile I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence of the claim you DID make. But apparently you can't, which makes me think you were just lying.
Better luck next time, though.
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Apr 4, 2017 6:27:04 GMT
I don't know why you would be, since I've never once claimed that there are. Meanwhile I'm still waiting for you to provide evidence of the claim you DID make. But apparently you can't, which makes me think you were just lying. Better luck next time, though. Ha ha, what the matter noob? Can't show any evidence that there are 350 genders?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 11:15:05 GMT
Deflection shields up, captain!
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Apr 5, 2017 5:57:54 GMT
Deflection shields up, captain! Still waiting kid. Show us that rock solid proof about the 1000 genders that exist.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 12:00:52 GMT
So you concede that you have no evidence, then. Odd that you made the claim, really. Bye. 
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2017 12:02:38 GMT
There're.
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Apr 8, 2017 6:23:31 GMT
So you concede that you have no evidence, then. Odd that you made the claim, really. Bye.  Leaving now? How shocking. I knew you couldn't back up your garbage argument about the existence of 79 genders.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 8, 2017 12:15:54 GMT
Oooo, lying now. The last refuge of the incompetent!
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Apr 9, 2017 2:07:59 GMT
Oooo, lying now. The last refuge of the incompetent! *says "bye", come right back* Triggered. ^
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 2:28:12 GMT
^^^ Dumb enough to think that "bye" means "going forever!" No wonder you piss your pants and run whenever anybody asks you to prove your claims 
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Post by woozlewuzzle on Apr 9, 2017 4:09:50 GMT
^^^ Dumb enough to think that "bye" means "going forever!" No wonder you piss your pants and run whenever anybody asks you to prove your claims  *says bye, comes back yet again* Triggered. ^
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 11:53:29 GMT
^^^ Still dumb enough to think bye means gone forever
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