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Post by masterofallgoons on Jan 11, 2018 14:34:10 GMT
The partisanship in the US has reached catastrophic proportions. Each side now wants a candidate first and foremost based on how pissed off the other side would be rather than how qualified they are or how beneficial to the country it might be. It's tearing the country apart. The only chance America stands is for some Independent to tell both sides to fuck right off and still win. Yeah... All true.. Doesn't seem like it will ever happen. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 11, 2018 15:19:22 GMT
Liberals in 2015: A TV host is not qualified to be President! Liberals in 2016: A TV host is not qualified to be President! Liberals in 2017: A TV host is not qualified to be President! Liberals in 2018: OPRAH 2020!!!!!!!! Isn't it just celebrities saying she should run? Anyway this was another serious problem with Trump becoming President. There's no standard for who can become president anymore. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 11, 2018 15:26:25 GMT
Honest question, is this country doing better now than when Trump was elected? If you say no, you are fooling yourself. How much of it has to do with Trump remains to be seen, but the economy is booming, the stock market is at record highs, and the unemployment is lower than ever. We got out of some terrible deals that were costing the US billions. ISIS is all but eliminated. We are getting a lot more back in taxes this year. Companies are coming back to the US. 2017 saw the lowest amount of illegal immigrants come to this country since it started being tracked. We finally got out of the dumb Paris Accords. I could go on and on. Trump might be a douche, but people who constantly scream disaster have no idea what they are talking about.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 22:20:00 GMT
Honest question, is this country doing better now than when Trump was elected? If you say no, you are fooling yourself. How much of it has to do with Trump remains to be seen, but the economy is booming, the stock market is at record highs, and the unemployment is lower than ever. We got out of some terrible deals that were costing the US billions. ISIS is all but eliminated. We are getting a lot more back in taxes this year. Companies are coming back to the US. 2017 saw the lowest amount of illegal immigrants come to this country since it started being tracked. We finally got out of the dumb Paris Accords. I could go on and on. Trump might be a douche, but people who constantly scream disaster have no idea what they are talking about. Don't ever let anyone tell you that the rise in the stock market is because "Obama's fiscal year." Whether or not the economy as a whole is or isn't, is a legitimate (but much more complex than it's made out to be) argument. But the stock market gains are 100% because Trump is in office. Anyone who debates otherwise doesn't understand the stock market. As for me, I made about $40,000 last year in the stock market more than I normally would have. Thank you, Donald Trump! |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 11, 2018 22:35:22 GMT
Honest question, is this country doing better now than when Trump was elected? If you say no, you are fooling yourself. How much of it has to do with Trump remains to be seen, but the economy is booming, the stock market is at record highs, and the unemployment is lower than ever. We got out of some terrible deals that were costing the US billions. ISIS is all but eliminated. We are getting a lot more back in taxes this year. Companies are coming back to the US. 2017 saw the lowest amount of illegal immigrants come to this country since it started being tracked. We finally got out of the dumb Paris Accords. I could go on and on. Trump might be a douche, but people who constantly scream disaster have no idea what they are talking about. Don't ever let anyone tell you that the rise in the stock market is because "Obama's fiscal year." Whether or not the economy as a whole is or isn't, is a legitimate (but much more complex than it's made out to be) argument.But the stock market gains are 100% because Trump is in office. Anyone who debates otherwise doesn't understand the stock market. As for me, I made about $40,000 last year in the stock market more than I normally would have. Thank you, Donald Trump! I work in the financial markets and understand perfectly well how the stock market works. The "Trump bump" happens every time a Republican is in office because Republican administrations typically result in reduced regulations and reduced costs of compliance. That said, you can deny Obama's fiscal year all you want, his administration's policies helped the stock market immeasurably year over year. It is possible that BOTH presidents can have a positive effect on the stock market. It's not a mutually exclusive thing. EDIT: The part that's bolded, though, you're dead on right about. The stock market is not an indicator of economic health, as a lot of people make it out to be. It's just so happens that we're in a time when both are doing well. |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 11, 2018 22:45:49 GMT
Honest question, is this country doing better now than when Trump was elected? If you say no, you are fooling yourself. How much of it has to do with Trump remains to be seen, but the economy is booming, the stock market is at record highs, and the unemployment is lower than ever. We got out of some terrible deals that were costing the US billions. ISIS is all but eliminated. We are getting a lot more back in taxes this year. Companies are coming back to the US. 2017 saw the lowest amount of illegal immigrants come to this country since it started being tracked. We finally got out of the dumb Paris Accords. I could go on and on. Trump might be a douche, but people who constantly scream disaster have no idea what they are talking about. Well, some people are getting some money back in taxes this year (possibly, not definitely) but year over year that will change while the top 1% gets massive reductions. That's all great, getting more money is always a good thing.....but what happens to interest rates (which will go up), healthcare costs, skyrocketing state and local taxes (this is a given after reducing federal taxes), infrastructure costs, education costs, expenditures on new technologies...... Plus, in a few years, your increased tax returns will be gone by the wayside unless you're in the top 1% or have your income coming from a pass-through entity, something which the vast majority of Americans don't have. I actually do, so it's helpful for me, but it's not helpful for everyone and slashing taxes this way will undoubtedly have negative effects on housing markets, just as it always has when this type of policy has been implemented. And illegal immigration had been declining for years before Trump, and ISIS has been a shell of its former self for years, and unemployment has been at record lows for a while...... Look, I'm all for eliminating something that you view as bad if you have a viable alternative. Getting out of the Paris accords is fine unto itself if you have something else in mind. But to just remove things and lie about them, and offering nothing else, isn't good governance - it's just spitting out talking points. The United States hadn't spent "billions and billions" of dollars on the Paris Accords as he claimed, that's just a lie; it was obligated to spend $3 billion and to date it had only contributed $1 billion of that. It wasn't an annual obligation either, just one time. But given the US has an annual GDP north of $16 trillion, that contribution is a drop in the bucket. If it's so bad, then propose something else. That's my biggest gripe with the administration and I agree with you a lot of the hoopla is grossly overblown, but it's not baseless as you're suggesting. There are a significant number of policies that need to be implemented fast because funding to keep this country moving as a going concern has to come from somewhere. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 11, 2018 23:19:25 GMT
Don't ever let anyone tell you that the rise in the stock market is because "Obama's fiscal year." Whether or not the economy as a whole is or isn't, is a legitimate (but much more complex than it's made out to be) argument.But the stock market gains are 100% because Trump is in office. Anyone who debates otherwise doesn't understand the stock market. As for me, I made about $40,000 last year in the stock market more than I normally would have. Thank you, Donald Trump! I work in the financial markets and understand perfectly well how the stock market works. The "Trump bump" happens every time a Republican is in office because Republican administrations typically result in reduced regulations and reduced costs of compliance. That said, you can deny Obama's fiscal year all you want, his administration's policies helped the stock market immeasurably year over year. It is possible that BOTH presidents can have a positive effect on the stock market. It's not a mutually exclusive thing. EDIT: The part that's bolded, though, you're dead on right about. The stock market is not an indicator of economic health, as a lot of people make it out to be. It's just so happens that we're in a time when both are doing well. But I didn't deny Obama's fiscal year as it pertains to the economy as a whole. In fact, I said that was a legitimate argument. What I said was that Obama's fiscal year has zilch to do with the stock market gains since Trump won in November '16. Regarding that, since you work in the financial markets, I'm sure you can corroborate that the "Trump Bump" was more significant than Republican presidents of the past. Right? |
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Post by klawrencio79 on Jan 11, 2018 23:48:54 GMT
I work in the financial markets and understand perfectly well how the stock market works. The "Trump bump" happens every time a Republican is in office because Republican administrations typically result in reduced regulations and reduced costs of compliance. That said, you can deny Obama's fiscal year all you want, his administration's policies helped the stock market immeasurably year over year. It is possible that BOTH presidents can have a positive effect on the stock market. It's not a mutually exclusive thing. EDIT: The part that's bolded, though, you're dead on right about. The stock market is not an indicator of economic health, as a lot of people make it out to be. It's just so happens that we're in a time when both are doing well. But I didn't deny Obama's fiscal year as it pertains to the economy as a whole. In fact, I said that was a legitimate argument. What I said was that Obama's fiscal year has zilch to do with the stock market gains since Trump won in November '16. Regarding that, since you work in the financial markets, I'm sure you can corroborate that the "Trump Bump" was more significant than Republican presidents of the past. Right? Given the health of the stock market when he took office and the carryover effect from the successful policies of yesteryear, such corroboration would be nothing more than baseless conjecture, regardless of which side of the coin I ended up on. |
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Post by bluerisk on Jan 12, 2018 1:53:15 GMT
If she runs, Trump will need to prepare himself for a second term.
The white labour and middle class voted for Trump because the Democrats gave a damn about them for years if not decades, and instead to adress this issue and to reconcile and regain their core electorate, they are toying around with Russia etc. pp.
Oprah would be like a major FU into ther faces.
The liberal mainstream media might love this, the liberal Hollywood elite might like this, the establishment might be ok with this, but the middle and labour class?
The polls about the race were dead wrong because the majority remained silent.
Don't cry fould when Trump wins again in 2020.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 3:20:15 GMT
But I didn't deny Obama's fiscal year as it pertains to the economy as a whole. In fact, I said that was a legitimate argument. What I said was that Obama's fiscal year has zilch to do with the stock market gains since Trump won in November '16. Regarding that, since you work in the financial markets, I'm sure you can corroborate that the "Trump Bump" was more significant than Republican presidents of the past. Right? Given the health of the stock market when he took office and the carryover effect from the successful policies of yesteryear, such corroboration would be nothing more than baseless conjecture, regardless of which side of the coin I ended up on. What about a statistical analysis of Trump vs. previous Republicans as it pertains to stock market growth first year in office? That's what I am asking you to corroborate. By the way, great answer. Now I believe you when you say you work in finance. A good friend of mine is a financial advisor and if pressed on an honest answer to the query of how much of the market success is owed to Trump, he would've said the same thing, more or less. And he voted Trump. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2018 5:45:08 GMT
What about a statistical analysis of Trump vs. previous Republicans as it pertains to stock market growth first year in office? That's what I am asking you to corroborate. By the way, great answer. Now I believe you when you say you work in finance. A good friend of mine is a financial advisor and if pressed on an honest answer to the query of how much of the market success is owed to Trump, he would've said the same thing, more or less. And he voted Trump. Oh, you can believe klawrencio79 a 100%. He is who he says he is (a corporate/finances lawyer, I believe), and is a high-quality poster. I noticed. And he did it without calling anyone a moron.  |
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Post by hoskotafe3 on Jan 12, 2018 8:12:40 GMT
My general impression is that this is a bunch od Democrat voters (I'm an aussie centrist so have no horse in this race) getting excited about not much. There's little to indicate she'd nominate and even less to indicate what kind of, first candidate and then, President she would be.
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 12, 2018 13:03:31 GMT
Honest question, is this country doing better now than when Trump was elected? If you say no, you are fooling yourself. How much of it has to do with Trump remains to be seen, but the economy is booming, the stock market is at record highs, and the unemployment is lower than ever. We got out of some terrible deals that were costing the US billions. ISIS is all but eliminated. We are getting a lot more back in taxes this year. Companies are coming back to the US. 2017 saw the lowest amount of illegal immigrants come to this country since it started being tracked. We finally got out of the dumb Paris Accords. I could go on and on. Trump might be a douche, but people who constantly scream disaster have no idea what they are talking about. Well, some people are getting some money back in taxes this year (possibly, not definitely) but year over year that will change while the top 1% gets massive reductions. That's all great, getting more money is always a good thing.....but what happens to interest rates (which will go up), healthcare costs, skyrocketing state and local taxes (this is a given after reducing federal taxes), infrastructure costs, education costs, expenditures on new technologies...... Plus, in a few years, your increased tax returns will be gone by the wayside unless you're in the top 1% or have your income coming from a pass-through entity, something which the vast majority of Americans don't have. I actually do, so it's helpful for me, but it's not helpful for everyone and slashing taxes this way will undoubtedly have negative effects on housing markets, just as it always has when this type of policy has been implemented. And illegal immigration had been declining for years before Trump, and ISIS has been a shell of its former self for years, and unemployment has been at record lows for a while...... Look, I'm all for eliminating something that you view as bad if you have a viable alternative. Getting out of the Paris accords is fine unto itself if you have something else in mind. But to just remove things and lie about them, and offering nothing else, isn't good governance - it's just spitting out talking points. The United States hadn't spent "billions and billions" of dollars on the Paris Accords as he claimed, that's just a lie; it was obligated to spend $3 billion and to date it had only contributed $1 billion of that. It wasn't an annual obligation either, just one time. But given the US has an annual GDP north of $16 trillion, that contribution is a drop in the bucket. If it's so bad, then propose something else. That's my biggest gripe with the administration and I agree with you a lot of the hoopla is grossly overblown, but it's not baseless as you're suggesting. There are a significant number of policies that need to be implemented fast because funding to keep this country moving as a going concern has to come from somewhere. I even stated in my post that all of this may or may not have to do with Trump. He has done some good things and some things may have happened anyway. That was not my point. My point was that the country is doing better today at least than it was this time a year ago. Yet, most of the media and posters on social media say that this year has been an absolute disaster. It makes no sense. Also, it does not matter if I have an alternative to the Paris Accords. What did they even accomplish? Why even be involved in them. Under the accords, the US was required to do more than most other countries with very little benefit. It was a crap deal and we needed to get out of it. Most people do not realize that the environment has been getting better year after year since the late 90s. All of the regulations and changes HAVE helped. Sure, we need to continue to do good work, but we are already moving in the right direction. The US is involved in so many deals with other countries that only benefit those other countries. Trump, above all else, understands these kinds of things and it is a part of why we are doing better now. |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 12, 2018 13:04:15 GMT
Well, some people are getting some money back in taxes this year (possibly, not definitely) but year over year that will change while the top 1% gets massive reductions. That's all great, getting more money is always a good thing.....but what happens to interest rates (which will go up), healthcare costs, skyrocketing state and local taxes (this is a given after reducing federal taxes), infrastructure costs, education costs, expenditures on new technologies...... Plus, in a few years, your increased tax returns will be gone by the wayside unless you're in the top 1% or have your income coming from a pass-through entity, something which the vast majority of Americans don't have. I actually do, so it's helpful for me, but it's not helpful for everyone and slashing taxes this way will undoubtedly have negative effects on housing markets, just as it always has when this type of policy has been implemented. And illegal immigration had been declining for years before Trump, and ISIS has been a shell of its former self for years, and unemployment has been at record lows for a while...... Look, I'm all for eliminating something that you view as bad if you have a viable alternative. Getting out of the Paris accords is fine unto itself if you have something else in mind. But to just remove things and lie about them, and offering nothing else, isn't good governance - it's just spitting out talking points. The United States hadn't spent "billions and billions" of dollars on the Paris Accords as he claimed, that's just a lie; it was obligated to spend $3 billion and to date it had only contributed $1 billion of that. It wasn't an annual obligation either, just one time. But given the US has an annual GDP north of $16 trillion, that contribution is a drop in the bucket. If it's so bad, then propose something else. That's my biggest gripe with the administration and I agree with you a lot of the hoopla is grossly overblown, but it's not baseless as you're suggesting. There are a significant number of policies that need to be implemented fast because funding to keep this country moving as a going concern has to come from somewhere. It is refreshing to have an actually intelligent and well-informed person explaining to these morons who are cheering the Trump tax plan and thinking it will benefit them, that it will badly damage them and only ultimately favor the 1%. Well done, klaw. You know what would be really great? If you actually posted something worth while once in a while instead of throwing insults around. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 18:15:41 GMT
You know what would be really great? If you actually posted something worth while once in a while instead of throwing insults around. Shut up, dumb Trump supporter, intellectual midget. Must suck that so many intellectual midgets in Wisconsin, Michigan and Pennsylvania turned their backs on the Democrat Party. Their desire to have jobs trumped their desire to allow people with penises into the women's bathroom. Ha ha, those idiots! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 2:00:28 GMT
Honest question, is this country doing better now than when Trump was elected? If you say no, you are fooling yourself. How much of it has to do with Trump remains to be seen, but the economy is booming, the stock market is at record highs, and the unemployment is lower than ever. We got out of some terrible deals that were costing the US billions. ISIS is all but eliminated. We are getting a lot more back in taxes this year. Companies are coming back to the US. 2017 saw the lowest amount of illegal immigrants come to this country since it started being tracked. We finally got out of the dumb Paris Accords. I could go on and on. Trump might be a douche, but people who constantly scream disaster have no idea what they are talking about. A minute ago you said Trump is doing a great job, now it's "how much has to do with him remains to be seen." So which is it? |
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Post by DSDSquared on Jan 16, 2018 12:54:41 GMT
Honest question, is this country doing better now than when Trump was elected? If you say no, you are fooling yourself. How much of it has to do with Trump remains to be seen, but the economy is booming, the stock market is at record highs, and the unemployment is lower than ever. We got out of some terrible deals that were costing the US billions. ISIS is all but eliminated. We are getting a lot more back in taxes this year. Companies are coming back to the US. 2017 saw the lowest amount of illegal immigrants come to this country since it started being tracked. We finally got out of the dumb Paris Accords. I could go on and on. Trump might be a douche, but people who constantly scream disaster have no idea what they are talking about. A minute ago you said Trump is doing a great job, now it's "how much has to do with him remains to be seen." So which is it? It is what I said it is. This country is in better shape now than it was this time last year. That is all I know for sure. |
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