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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 13, 2018 14:04:13 GMT
I like how whenever someone brings up The Dark Knight, you instantly use Heath's death as like some kind of insult to the film. The movie received praise for other things besides ledger performance. Yet all you focus on is the death of an actor. Because if he hadn't died, then the flaws of the film (and it has then) would be more focused on. But critics and audience members thought "Oh...if we point out this stuff it'll be disrespectful. Better ignore it." Not entirely true. There was plenty of criticism made about the film. 1. Christan Bale Batman voice was heavily critized and constantly mocked online. 2. There were a lot of criticism made about Harvey Dent transformation into Two-face. Raging from the writing, make-up and even performance. 3. As Nexus pointed out, there were criticism made about the way Nolan filmed action scenes and fights ad well as lack of memorable action moments. 4. Heath Ledger joker was actually critized, there was a portion of people who did not like ledger performance. But as with any tragic death, you'll get people who will make overly dramatic comments because of his death. I was a major regular on the The Dark Knight boards back on imdb. I've seen all the bullshit that place went through, especially the pissing contest between Iron Man fans and Dark Knight fans. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 13, 2018 14:10:17 GMT
Not entirely true. There was plenty of criticism made about the film. 1. Christan Bale Batman voice was heavily critized and constantly mocked online. Minor point. Bigger flaw is that Bruce really isn't very interesting at all on his own. No one cared about that when TDK came out and hardly anyone brings it up now. He's seen as some highlight. That's shown as a POSITIVE, where people say "Wow, look at how realistic it is! No action movie stuff, just realistic fighting!" Oh please, fans of the movie were so fanatical they wanted Joker retired forever because Ledger died. Me too, so I know how deranged Nolanites can get. They didn't start to calm down until BvS came out and deflated their egos. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jan 13, 2018 16:38:12 GMT
Not entirely true. There was plenty of criticism made about the film. 1. Christan Bale Batman voice was heavily critized and constantly mocked online. Minor point. Bigger flaw is that Bruce really isn't very interesting at all on his own. No one cared about that when TDK came out and hardly anyone brings it up now. He's seen as some highlight. That's shown as a POSITIVE, where people say "Wow, look at how realistic it is! No action movie stuff, just realistic fighting!" Oh please, fans of the movie were so fanatical they wanted Joker retired forever because Ledger died. Me too, so I know how deranged Nolanites can get. They didn't start to calm down until BvS came out and deflated their egos. I don't remember any other criticism on bale's Bruce Wayne/Batman outside of the voice, but I do agree that he didn't leave much of a impact in the film. Ledger definitely overshadowed him. People didn't care? Dude there was a large number of upset fans over Two-face death. Infact I remember a thread complaining about how they rushed his character and others chimed in how they didn't like nolan version of Two-face. I don't remember the positive response to the fighting other than "it's a improvement over Batman Begins" You mean the crying pussies that stayed for a couple weeks and than moved on to the next thing to cry about? Ledger joker had a pretty good size of a fanbase, but he also had a lot of haters. From bashing his looks, including the use of face paint instead of bleach skin, his voice was mocked ("He sounds like a hooomooooo!!!1112") and people even acted like you in regards to the reaction of his performance ("people only praise him because he's dead!") People bitch because Nolan took a different approach to Batman that didn't include some of the major fantasy elements. I liked his take as it was a nice change of pace compared to the previous entries Luke Batman Forever and Batman and Robin. |
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Post by Skaathar on Jan 13, 2018 19:39:01 GMT
His Dark Knight trilogy is easily the best thing that came out of the DC license, might as well have given him creative control. #InNolanwetrust Well his version of the DCEU would have certainly been better than Snyder's, but I'm not sure I'd trust him with the more superpowered heroes of the JL. He would have watered down their powers to make them more human. Then again, it would have at least made the story more interesting. MCU did it with their high tier characters after all. It would be interesting for sure. Nolan has a knack for making things more realistic and the DC heroes are about as unrealistic as you can get. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 13, 2018 20:16:20 GMT
It wasn't anything new, it was the usual thing he did with his own movies. The characters were all either archetypes or 1 note fanatics, the philosophies presented were full of holes... The only one of his movies anyone talks about is Dark Knight. And that was due to Ledger dying. I like how whenever someone brings up The Dark Knight, you instantly use Heath's death as like some kind of insult to the film. The movie received praise for other things besides ledger performance. Yet all you focus on is the death of an actor. That's because formersamhmd is so jealous that MCU has never produced a masterpiece that he needs to find some of excuse so he resorts to exploiting the death of a young man. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 13, 2018 21:50:59 GMT
I don't remember any other criticism on bale's Bruce Wayne/Batman outside of the voice, but I do agree that he didn't leave much of a impact in the film. Ledger definitely overshadowed him. He didn't have much impact in Begins or Rises either...Nolan just didn't care about Bruce on his own. He needed his villains to be ANYTHING in films that were supposed to be about him. No one says that anymore. Even though those criticisms are all correct. Two-Face was a wasted character. No one says that stuff anymore, Ledger is seen as perfection when his character was very lazily written. Having seen his other movies, it's just the same usual stuff he does in all his films. Characters are either all fanatics or plot devices or flat archetypes, it's always more about "the big message" that isn't very big, the philosophies espoused are always full of holes, etc. |
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Post by salomonj on Jan 13, 2018 22:21:26 GMT
Because if he hadn't died, then the flaws of the film (and it has then) would be more focused on. But critics and audience members thought "Oh...if we point out this stuff it'll be disrespectful. Better ignore it." Not entirely true. There was plenty of criticism made about the film. 1. Christan Bale Batman voice was heavily critized and constantly mocked online.
2. There were a lot of criticism made about Harvey Dent transformation into Two-face. Raging from the writing, make-up and even performance.
3. As Nexus pointed out, there were criticism made about the way Nolan filmed action scenes and fights ad well as lack of memorable action moments. 4. Heath Ledger joker was actually critized, there was a portion of people who did not like ledger performance. But as with any tragic death, you'll get people who will make overly dramatic comments because of his death. I was a major regular on the The Dark Knight boards back on imdb. I've seen all the bullshit that place went through, especially the pissing contest between Iron Man fans and Dark Knight fans. Really? I thought that was of the film's highlights. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 13, 2018 22:25:21 GMT
Not entirely true. There was plenty of criticism made about the film. 1. Christan Bale Batman voice was heavily critized and constantly mocked online.
2. There were a lot of criticism made about Harvey Dent transformation into Two-face. Raging from the writing, make-up and even performance.
3. As Nexus pointed out, there were criticism made about the way Nolan filmed action scenes and fights ad well as lack of memorable action moments. 4. Heath Ledger joker was actually critized, there was a portion of people who did not like ledger performance. But as with any tragic death, you'll get people who will make overly dramatic comments because of his death. I was a major regular on the The Dark Knight boards back on imdb. I've seen all the bullshit that place went through, especially the pissing contest between Iron Man fans and Dark Knight fans. Really? I thought that was of the film's highlights. It was a waste of a great villain character. And the whole rationale behind Batman taking the blame for his crimes was nonsensical too. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 7:17:56 GMT
I think the DCEU would be heaps better if they put DC in charge of the movies instead of Warner Bros and had writers like Geoff Johns, Scott Snyder, James Tynion IV, Marv Wolfman, Jim Balent, Gail Simone, Tim Seeley, Paul Dini, Marguerite Bennett, Jim Lee, Chuck Dixon, Greg Rucka, Steve Orlando, Hope Larson, Joshua Williamson, Sterling Gates, Scott Lobdell, Grand Morrison, Brenden Fletcher etc writing the scripts of the movies. The movies just aren't as good as the comic book writers and don't have the years of experience they have with the characters. 'Detective Comics' with Batman, the Spoiler, Red Robim Orphan, Batwoman, Clayface, Bluebird, Azrael and Batwing has been better than anything the DCEU and MCU have done on screen in the past year and many journalists are even saying it. James Tynion IV is one of the best writers they have and could easily write great Bat Family movies.  It's surprising that the Batman films since even the Burton-Schumacher era keep things limited to just well, Batman and sometimes Robin slash Joseph Gordon Levitt. There's Batgirl, Batwoman, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damien Wayne, and hell, the bloody dog Ace could appear in a movie. 
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 8:40:57 GMT
Nolan is only good at writing,Thats actually Snyder s week point,but he's great at everything else. Them together would be great. Yeah, Nolan should've been the writer for the DCEU movies not just the producer. Nolan just doesn't know how to film action and doesn't do anything overly ridiculous or comic booky unlike Snyder. Snyder understands the look of a DC movie and isn't afraid to be more fantastical but he needs better writers.I mean Watchmen,Dawn of the Dead, 300 and MOS we're great and that was because Snyder having good writers. |
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Post by ThatGuy on Jan 14, 2018 15:54:01 GMT
If anything, I want my DC movies to be more Urban and Sci-Fantasy. I don't want them toned down to the point I can't believe a Mr. Freeze, Clayface and Mr. Mxyzptlk can be a thing. I want to believe at any moment something out of the ordinary can happen. Same goes for X-men. If the director decided something weird is going to happen, I don't want to sit in my seat groaning because it was out of place. That would happen in Nolan's Batman movies. I want a good Justice League movie, but I don't want it in the same type of universe as The Dark Knight trilogy.
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Post by summers8 on Jan 14, 2018 16:40:11 GMT
His Dark Knight trilogy is easily the best thing that came out of the DC license, might as well have given him creative control. #InNolanwetrust Meh, I doubt he would want to come back. he finds the comic book genre now very toxic. Remember he got serious backlash in 2012 after he dissed Avengers and had to apologise due to pressure and the Disney mafia police squad. Nolan is still lucky though, he is a world renowned known director and has a formidable body of work. had he come back, it would be very hard for the media to try and bully his movies to be like the mcu movies which is what the media did with he DCEU movies as admitted by the DC bosses. However I think Matt Reeves Batman movies will be amazing and a worthy successor to the Nolan and Burton movies. |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 19, 2018 12:35:19 GMT
His Dark Knight trilogy is easily the best thing that came out of the DC license, might as well have given him creative control. #InNolanwetrust Meh, I doubt he would want to come back. he finds the comic book genre now very toxic. Remember he got serious backlash in 2012 after he dissed Avengers and had to apologise due to pressure and the Disney mafia police squad. Nolan is still lucky though, he is a world renowned known director and has a formidable body of work. had he come back, it would be very hard for the media to try and bully his movies to be like the mcu movies which is what the media did with he DCEU movies as admitted by the DC bosses. However I think Matt Reeves Batman movies will be amazing and a worthy successor to the Nolan and Burton movies. He helped with Man of Steel. He should have sucked around as a producer. I've read that he has a very good relationship with Warner Bros, so I'm sure he could have turned the DCEU into the right direction. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2018 12:44:53 GMT
He doesn't know how to do actual comic booky stuff. And his films did well mainly due to having no competition.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Feb 19, 2018 13:03:16 GMT
He doesn't know how to do actual comic booky stuff. And his films did well mainly due to having no competition. The Dark Knight Rises was very comic book to the point of a nuke going off and having no direct effect on Gotham. The Dark Knight was probably the most grounded film out of the trilogy and with Rises he basically said "you know what? Fuck it, I'll go all out" If he was given full control over the DCEU, I'm sure he would have no problem with going even further. Hell he helped make a Superman Movie. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Feb 19, 2018 13:07:29 GMT
He doesn't know how to do actual comic booky stuff. And his films did well mainly due to having no competition. The Dark Knight Rises was very comic book to the point of a nuke going off and having no direct effect on Gotham. And it's less liked due to stuff like that. I'm sure he WOULD have problems with that. A not-so-good one. But then again Superman's only ever had 1 truly good film. |
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Post by politicidal on Feb 19, 2018 15:44:56 GMT
It's surprising that the Batman films since even the Burton-Schumacher era keep things limited to just well, Batman and sometimes Robin slash Joseph Gordon Levitt. There's Batgirl, Batwoman, Jason Todd, Tim Drake, Damien Wayne, and hell, the bloody dog Ace could appear in a movie.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 21, 2018 12:22:51 GMT
That could be changing very soon. It was confirmed by Geoff Johns and Warner Bros last year the Bat Family will appear in the Batman movies for the very first time, the Bat Universe was no longer just about and the ‘Batman movies would finally mirror the comic books and with Batgirl and Nightwing out on their own ready to lead their own teams (Birds of Prey and Titans) Batman will most likely start a new team with Bat Family members like the Spoiler, Red Robin, Orphan, Batwoman, Clayface, Bluebird, Batwing, Azrael etc and Red Hood can easily be the villain of the second movie and then become an antihero towards the end to set up Red Hood and the Outlaws. If there are two characters I want to see the most it is the Spoiler and Orphan. The Spoiler is my favourite Bat Family member below Batgirl and Night and is currently stealing the show in DC Rebirth.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Mar 4, 2018 11:26:23 GMT
The Dark Knight Rises was very comic book to the point of a nuke going off and having no direct effect on Gotham. And it's less liked due to stuff like that. I'm sure he WOULD have problems with that. A not-so-good one. But then again Superman's only ever had 1 truly good film. There's only one decent Superman film and it's the most controversial one. Superman is easily one of the most laziest comic book characters ever made. A character so over powered that they had to make his weakness a green rock. A character so lame that even a man dressed up as a bat kicked his ass. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Mar 4, 2018 12:12:27 GMT
And it's less liked due to stuff like that. I'm sure he WOULD have problems with that. A not-so-good one. But then again Superman's only ever had 1 truly good film. There's only one decent Superman film and it's the most controversial one. No, it's the first Donner one. And even that only worked due to embracing the camp nature of comics. |
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