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Post by jonesjxd on Jan 14, 2018 13:57:31 GMT
For many late Gen-Xers/early Millennials, Magnolia may have been one of the early, formative "important" movies in our journey to becoming movie buffs. Other movies I would put in this category would be Boogie Nights, Fight Club, Reservoir Dogs, Pulp Fiction, Rushmore, Royal Tenenbaums, Trainspotting, etc. Early movies of the great filmmakers of todays era. For me, many of these movies have worn over time, maybe because I've seen them too many times, maybe because they just aren't as sophisticated as the filmmakers later work. None have worn on me more than Magnolia.
Yesterday, I re-watched The Master, Magnolia, and Punch Drunk Love, as I go through his filmography once again in anticipation for Phantom Thread. I think The Master is a true masterpiece, I think it's my favorite thing he's done. Its one of the most brilliant showcases of writing, acting, and cinematography I've ever seen. Punch Drunk Love, I may like even more now than when I saw it in 2002, for a less than ninety minute movie, it has so much to unpack. Magnolia on the other hand, just meh. I still like it for its ambition, and I love hammy movies, and this one truly has the volume set to 10 the entire time, then cranks it up to 11, then 12 in the finale. It just doesn't seem to have anything to say other than what it blatantly tells us over and over again. It's a showcase of emotional performances that really say very little. I think back to the ridiculous blocks of melodramatic, on the nose dialogue I was writing in screenplays when I was 19, and feel it was really only one brush up away from being the caliber of dialogue in this movie. Essentially just characters reiterating what they just said, only a little louder and more hysterical. Now, the performances are amazing, but they feel like acting exercises. Many of the characters seem to do and say things for no real reason at all. I have nothing bad to say about the musical segment or frog finale, because honestly I love when movies go big and bravura. It's just that to my matured tastes, those two segments seem more nuanced and plausible than the relationships in the movie, it seems more likely frogs would fall from the sky, than grown adults behaving like this. Because honestly, they're all behaving like angsty teenagers.
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Post by politicidal on Jan 14, 2018 16:51:51 GMT
Kevin Smith might have been ahead of the curve before everyone else. Here's his thoughts on Magnolia:
".... A constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the most unattractive quality in a person or their work.”
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 17:01:28 GMT
I still like it.
That scene with the fat black chick screaming "don't go in my fuckin' closet!" still makes me laugh to this day.
But to be honest, I didn't think the movie succeeded in communicating anything important back when I first watched it. Back then I thought, "it's trying to be deep, but there's nothing here." Still, I like weird characters, weird scenes, etc. in general, so what I appreciated about it upon first viewing still holds up.
And I still respect the cock.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2018 17:05:15 GMT
Lol, not a fan of this movie.
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Post by petrolino on Jan 14, 2018 18:33:35 GMT
I never liked it. Unlike some other films Paul Thomas Anderson's directed, this one never clicked with me.
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Post by Billy_Costigan on Jan 23, 2018 18:13:59 GMT
It's the last PTA film I actually liked.
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Post by Archelaus on Jan 23, 2018 18:41:38 GMT
No, it hasn't worn out on me. I really liked Magnolia. The performances from John C. Reilly and Tom Cruise were great. I could connect with the themes of parent-child relationships and coincidences. Yeah, there were some really over-the-top moments like Julianne Moore's meltdown at the pharmacy that make me laugh.
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Post by jakesully on Jan 23, 2018 18:45:44 GMT
Kevin Smith might have been ahead of the curve before everyone else. Here's his thoughts on Magnolia: ".... A constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the most unattractive quality in a person or their work.” Ha that is a great quote from Kevin Smith (granted, Smith isn't in the same stratosphere as PTA as a director but still ) I fucking loathe Magnolia .(and I like most of PTA 's work too but Magnolia is overly bloated garbage) I won't hold it against PT though. Dude was not even 30 years old when he directed / wrote this film . For me, it was just a misfire but a LOT of folks swear up & down that Magnolia is brilliant . I'll agree to disagree
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Post by teleadm on Jan 23, 2018 19:37:08 GMT
Only watched it once, and I had the feeling I was not the right audience for this movie (Magnolia).
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Post by 博: Dr.BLΔD€ :锯 on May 12, 2019 19:01:18 GMT
I still love the movie....it's quirkiness, performances from all the stellar cast [Macey, Cruise, Robards, Reilly etc] , tension building scenes that added more hair to Supertramp, Aimee Mann's songs, frogs....SO much to enjoy, although I appreciate it's Marmiteness...some of my friends hated it.
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Post by nostromo87 on May 12, 2019 20:38:14 GMT
I love it. It has some truly genuine emotion to it. Including Tom Cruise's best performance.
I think a lot of people's problem with Magnolia is that it's basically a Robert Altman film. But since Paul Thomas Anderson was a The master of mimicking great directors' style early on in his career, I dont see it as a fault. Lately he's branched off into his own unique style I think.
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Post by Dramatic Look Gopher on May 12, 2019 20:47:43 GMT
I found this PTA movie to be a WTF kind of movie.
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Post by hi224 on May 12, 2019 20:48:41 GMT
Kevin Smith might have been ahead of the curve before everyone else. Here's his thoughts on Magnolia: ".... A constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the most unattractive quality in a person or their work.” ironic actually from Smith as well, I mean his movies are sometimes one giant meta reference.
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Post by nostromo87 on May 12, 2019 21:09:12 GMT
Kevin Smith might have been ahead of the curve before everyone else. Here's his thoughts on Magnolia: ".... A constant reminder that a bloated sense of self-importance is the most unattractive quality in a person or their work.” ironic actually from Smith as well, I mean his movies are sometimes one giant meta reference. Not that Kevin Smith's thoughts on movies have any clout that I'd consider looking into or anything, but he did praise There will be Blood up and down.
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Post by hi224 on May 12, 2019 21:17:42 GMT
ironic actually from Smith as well, I mean his movies are sometimes one giant meta reference. Not that Kevin Smith's thoughts on movies have any clout that I'd consider looking into or anything, but he did praise There will be Blood up and down. true but Smith himself very indulgent, Jay and Silent bob strike back was just a big fuck you to the detractors of his lol.
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Post by jcush on May 12, 2019 22:33:20 GMT
I'm a huge fan of Magnolia.
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Post by nostromo87 on May 12, 2019 22:38:41 GMT
I'm a huge fan of Magnolia. Where do you rank it among the rest of PTA's movies?
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Post by hi224 on May 12, 2019 22:41:16 GMT
I'm a huge fan of Magnolia. Where do you rank it among the rest of PTA's movies? whose your favorite director as well.
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Post by nostromo87 on May 12, 2019 22:43:20 GMT
Where do you rank it among the rest of PTA's movies? whose your favorite director as well. Me? Kubrick overall. Working I'd say Paul Thomas Anderson.
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Post by jcush on May 12, 2019 22:44:20 GMT
I'm a huge fan of Magnolia. Where do you rank it among the rest of PTA's movies? Boogie Nights There Will Be Blood Magnolia Punch-Drunk Love Phantom Thread The Master Inherent Vice Hard Eight
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