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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 15, 2018 17:35:49 GMT
Sure but what I'm saying is that if Keenum continues to do what he's been doing (he just beat Drew Brees), when all three are free agents, I bet the Vikings will let Bridgewater and Bradford go and will offer a good contract extension to Keenum. Especially if he wins the Super Bowl which is really not impossible at this point, with the home field advantage (provided that he achieves the first step of beating the Eagles). So maybe I phrased it poorly; I should have said "with their future franchise quarterback" - while even if by some miracle Foles wins the Super Bowl, he will go back to being the back-up when Wentz gets healthy. When you get headlines like this one, you earn a lot of clout: www.espn.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/266670/case-keenum-stefon-diggs-play-one-of-greatest-in-nfl-playoff-history-2The thing is, after 16 months of absence, and devastating injury, it's not even certain if Bridgewater will ever be the same (these things sometimes don't heal completely, and you end-up with an unstable knee, less balance, less speed, worse proprioception). Even before the injury, he had two good seasons but largely thanks to his defense and aggressive ground game. Now, he came back in garbage time, got his first snap in 16 months... and threw an interception. I think the Vikings will experiment with him a bit more... and if it is rapidly visible that he's not the same, bye-bye, and the crown goes to the 2017 hero, Case Keenum, who had a regular season passing average of 98.3 which is rather good, and is not mistake-prone (22 TDs vs. 7 interceptions in the regular season). Keenum is only 29 years old so it's likely that they'd keep him for several years if he continues to do well. Here is an opinion from a debate on ESPN that happened on December 1st, that is, before this additional success we saw yesterday: "Domonique Foxworth, a former NFL player and current writer for The Undefeated. Here’s why he feels that the Vikings go with Keenum over Bridgewater: Keenum is my guess. But I am not confident. Both Keenum and Bridgewater will be free agents in 2018, so it'll be an interesting offseason in Minnesota. I'm betting that Keenum will be able to sustain this high level of production for the rest of the season, and I can't imagine a franchise moving on from a proven option at the most important position." The "I'm not confident" part was before yesterday, and sure, it's because Mike Zimmer loves Bridgewater. But this love will sour rapidly if Bridgewater tries to come back and is a shadow of his former self and throws a lot of interceptions. Then you have the hero of 2017 watching from the sideline while the guy with the destroyed knee struggles? Unlikely. The NFL is a cold business, and if the king is dead, long live the new king. Another factor is the status of offensive coordinator Pat Shurmur, who apparently favors Keenum over Bridgewater. If he stays, it's more likely that Keenum gets the nod. If he leaves, then maybe Keenum will leave with him. Certainly there are many NFL teams in dire need of a QB, and if Keenum wins the Super Bowl or at least wins the NFC, there would be a lot of people willing to hire him. But all things considered, my bet is that he'll stay in Minneapolis, and the other two will be the ones going away, while the team drafts a young quarterback to develop in the next several years, under Keenum. It is likely that Keenum himself wants to stay there. Here is what he said: “I’ve got an organization that believes in me, and a system that I can succeed in,” Keenum wrote in The Players’ Tribune. “I’ve got this great group of close-knit teammates, who have become this great group of close-knit friends. And I’m living in this amazing community — that loves, and lives, and breathes football.” --------------- Any opinion from Vikings fans who must know more about this than I do? You're correct. Vikings fans know Zimmer loves Teddy, and have largely been frustrated with the organization's refusal to commit to Keenum. We want him to be our guy. And I think the Vikings are reading the proverbial room. The problem is that the Vikings are treating this quarterback situation like it's a good thing. They'll have you believe, "having three good quarterbacks is a good problem to have." So they're not rushing to make a decision. Now I won't speak for the entire fandom, but that's not what I personally want to hear. We have not had a franchise quarterback in nearly 15 years. Pay the man. Show him some love. Because if we don't, someone else will. And gladly.
I think it's hard for people who don't live in Minnesota to understand just how good Keenum is. I think it's crystal clear for anyone who has seen all the Vikings games this year. The man is special. He is an incredibly accurate passer, and unflinching in the pocket. I look at him and see the playoffs for the next 5 years. You act like Keenum is a rookie with no track record of mediocrity. Don't you think that's the reason the front office is hesitant? He's having a hell of a year, the whole team is. But I'm going to hold off on calling him 'special' for the time being. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 15, 2018 18:30:34 GMT
You're correct. Vikings fans know Zimmer loves Teddy, and have largely been frustrated with the organization's refusal to commit to Keenum. We want him to be our guy. And I think the Vikings are reading the proverbial room. The problem is that the Vikings are treating this quarterback situation like it's a good thing. They'll have you believe, "having three good quarterbacks is a good problem to have." So they're not rushing to make a decision. Now I won't speak for the entire fandom, but that's not what I personally want to hear. We have not had a franchise quarterback in nearly 15 years. Pay the man. Show him some love. Because if we don't, someone else will. And gladly.
I think it's hard for people who don't live in Minnesota to understand just how good Keenum is. I think it's crystal clear for anyone who has seen all the Vikings games this year. The man is special. He is an incredibly accurate passer, and unflinching in the pocket. I look at him and see the playoffs for the next 5 years. You act like Keenum is a rookie with no track record of mediocrity. Don't you think that's the reason the front office is hesitant? He's having a hell of a year, the whole team is. But I'm going to hold off on calling him 'special' for the time being. Well, one aspect that most people haven't realized is that Keenum got *the second best* global quarterback rating (not merely the passing rating) in the entire NFL, this season. The article where I saw this, didn't mention the first one - Brady? Wentz? So, sure, he had a previous track record of mediocrity but then, it's that thing that sometimes one needs the right system to thrive. It is hard to deny that he is thriving under the current Vikings system, so it does appear a bit crazy if they then go and get rid of him in favor of a QB who hasn't played in a meaningful game for two seasons and is coming out of devastating injury, who might never be the same player he was before the injury. It's trading a proven quantity for a shot in the dark. Will Bridgewater be good? We don't know. Is Keenum currently good? Yes. If I were the front office, I'd make darn sure that Keenum stays. Then later if Bridgewater fully recovers and shows that *after his injury* he is better than Keenum, sure, things can be re-discussed. But for now, the Vikings would be crazy if they got rid of Keenum, after this spectacular year. |
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jan 15, 2018 18:42:25 GMT
You act like Keenum is a rookie with no track record of mediocrity. Don't you think that's the reason the front office is hesitant? He's having a hell of a year, the whole team is. But I'm going to hold off on calling him 'special' for the time being. Well, one aspect that most people haven't realized is that Keenum got *the second best* global quarterback rating (not merely the passing rating) in the entire NFL, this season. The article where I saw this, didn't mention the first one - Brady? Wentz? So, sure, he had a previous track record of mediocrity but then, it's that thing that sometimes one needs the right system to thrive. It is hard to deny that he is thriving under the current Vikings system, so it does appear a bit crazy if they then go and get rid of him in favor of a QB who hasn't played in a meaningful game for two seasons and is coming out of devastating injury, who might never be the same player he was before the injury. It's trading a proven quantity for a shot in the dark.Will Bridgewater be good? We don't know. Is Keenum currently good? Yes. If I were the front office, I'd make darn sure that Keenum stays. Then later if Bridgewater fully recovers and shows that *after his injury* he is better than Keenum, sure, things can be re-discussed. But for now, the Vikings would be crazy if they got rid of Keenum, after this spectacular year. That's the thing, Keenum isn't a proven quantity. He's having a great year, but the rest of his career isn't so amazing. The Vikings have to decide if this is a fluke (it happens in sports) or if Keenum is a late bloomer finally finding the right situation (also happens in sports). I won't criticize the Vikes if they invest in him after this season, but I can understand their trepidation. I just thought the other poster's observations on Keenum lacked context. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 15, 2018 18:47:20 GMT
Well, one aspect that most people haven't realized is that Keenum got *the second best* global quarterback rating (not merely the passing rating) in the entire NFL, this season. The article where I saw this, didn't mention the first one - Brady? Wentz? So, sure, he had a previous track record of mediocrity but then, it's that thing that sometimes one needs the right system to thrive. It is hard to deny that he is thriving under the current Vikings system, so it does appear a bit crazy if they then go and get rid of him in favor of a QB who hasn't played in a meaningful game for two seasons and is coming out of devastating injury, who might never be the same player he was before the injury. It's trading a proven quantity for a shot in the dark.Will Bridgewater be good? We don't know. Is Keenum currently good? Yes. If I were the front office, I'd make darn sure that Keenum stays. Then later if Bridgewater fully recovers and shows that *after his injury* he is better than Keenum, sure, things can be re-discussed. But for now, the Vikings would be crazy if they got rid of Keenum, after this spectacular year. That's the thing, Keenum isn't a proven quantity. He's having a great year, but the rest of his career isn't so amazing. The Vikings have to decide if this is a fluke (it happens in sports) or if Keenum is a late bloomer finally finding the right situation (also happens in sports). I won't criticize the Vikes if they invest in him after this season, but I can understand their trepidation. I just thought the other poster's observations on Keenum lacked context. Plus Pat Shurmer is rumored to leave to become a head coach somewhere. If he leaves will Keenum be as successful under a new coach? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 15, 2018 19:58:25 GMT
For us neutral fans, it's an issue of History-making. If the Eagles win next week, OK, yawn. If the Vikings win, and then go on to beat the Patriots, this game ending will be known as one of the greatest in NFL History. We neutral fans want to see it. The Vikings will most likely be hosting the Jaguars in the Super Bowl. But yes, if the Vikings win the Super Bowl, this play will be talked about like Christian Laettner's shot against Kentucky in the Regional Final. |
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Post by FrankSobotka1514 on Jan 15, 2018 21:14:19 GMT
For us neutral fans, it's an issue of History-making. If the Eagles win next week, OK, yawn. If the Vikings win, and then go on to beat the Patriots, this game ending will be known as one of the greatest in NFL History. We neutral fans want to see it. The Vikings will most likely be hosting the Jaguars in the Super Bowl. But yes, if the Vikings win the Super Bowl, this play will be talked about like Christian Laettner's shot against Duke in the Regional Final. There you have it everyone, it's gonna be Eagles Patriots. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Jan 15, 2018 21:31:22 GMT
The Vikings will most likely be hosting the Jaguars in the Super Bowl. But yes, if the Vikings win the Super Bowl, this play will be talked about like Christian Laettner's shot against Duke in the Regional Final. There you have it everyone, it's gonna be Eagles Patriots. I correctly predicted 3 of the last 5 AFC Championship Games so I'm batting .600 on the last 5 AFC Championship Games. And it'll be 4 out of 6 after this Sunday. |
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Post by hehatesshe on Jan 15, 2018 21:36:35 GMT
There you have it everyone, it's gonna be Eagles Patriots. I correctly predicted 3 of the last 5 AFC Championship Games so I'm batting .600 on the last 5 AFC Championship Games. And it'll be 4 out of 6 after this Sunday. Yet you are 0-4 on preseason Superbowl winner picks. If you had just picked New England every year, you'd be 2 for 3 with a chance to make it 3 for 4. |
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Post by sdm3 on Jan 16, 2018 2:51:55 GMT
There you have it everyone, it's gonna be Eagles Patriots. I correctly predicted 3 of the last 5 AFC Championship Games so I'm batting .600 on the last 5 AFC Championship Games. And it'll be 4 out of 6 after this Sunday. Dude, all you did was pick against the Patriots in every single game, and your pick would've been exactly the same no matter their opponent. Those aren't correct predictions, that's a broken clock being right. |
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Post by GiantFan1980 on Jan 16, 2018 3:02:43 GMT
The play and all the celebration after. In case you want to rewatch it 20 times like me. Just noticed this. Not only did Williams not make the tackle but he also ended up knocking down his own teammate, preventing his own teammate from possibly chasing down the receiver. He basically chop blocked his own guy. Spearing at the receiver who leap froged him and he nailed his own team mate in the process. I didn't catch that on the first watch but every repeat viewing of the spot just makes Williams look even worse! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2018 11:38:33 GMT
Just noticed this. Not only did Williams not make the tackle but he also ended up knocking down his own teammate, preventing his own teammate from possibly chasing down the receiver. He basically chop blocked his own guy. Spearing at the receiver who leap froged him and he nailed his own team mate in the process. I didn't catch that on the first watch but every repeat viewing of the spot just makes Williams look even worse! My guess is that he made the wrong move because he was preoccupied with taking down the receiver inbound so that the clock would run down, because if he pushed the receiver out he'd give the Vikings a relatively easy FG to win the game. So he tried to go low to get the guy's legs therefore he'd fall down inbound. It failed when he was leap frogged and the momentum carried him into his teammate. I mean, there's gotta be an explanation for this move other than "oh, I'll take down our player so that they score," except if he accepted a bribe from the Vikings to act against his own team, which of course is rather impossible. |
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