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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 18, 2018 4:15:46 GMT
LOL! That's funny! (Just in case you're being serious, no am not that person). For the record I have no problem with strong female characters. But you don't have to transform the bulk of male characters into totally incompetent McGuffins to move the storyline forward; or to make your heroines appear that much more dynamic and absolutely competent. It's lazy writing that screams an agenda. If you look at the heroes and heroines of the other trilogies, most of them were a mixture of competence and incompetence. But this trilogy: Hux, Luke, Finn (except at the end of each movie), Ackbar, even C3PO came off as incompetent. They were either useless or buffoons. A truly strong female character doesn't need her male counterparts transformed into totally inept people in order to shine. They can still shine and grab the spotlight while being surrounded by competent male characters. I don't look at it as male vs female. If you think they are incompetent fine. They are incompetent people. The fact that they are male or female should be irrelevant. Apparently it is not. Rose is just as incompetent as Finn for instance ( in the sense that the plan fails). And Poe and Luke redeem themselves. Phasma is defeated, again, buy a guy. Heck the resistance is now led by a guy. Does chewie count? Lol By the end of the movie all the males dominate the movie. Your view is askew. I don't go into a movie looking at male vs female characters. But the trend is hard to ignore. Unless you like the dynamics of the trend. Rose was never portrayed as incompetent. Failure and incompetence are not necessarily the same thing. Rose and Finn's plan mainly failed because they trusted someone who was essentially a double agent. Not because they were quitters. Not because they were negative Nancys at every juncture. Even Yoda tried to teach Luke about failure in his cameo. It is not always the same thing as incompetence. As regards Phasma, again, you're confusing failure with incompetence. Phasma was always a leader who commanded following and obedience from her troops. She lost from a surprise attack by Finn, not because she was an incompetent fighter. She held her own and got the best of him up until that point. The only time she might have appeared incompetent was in TFA when she rolled over rather easily when told to lower the shields. Poe is the lone male character who is always competent - success or failure. But there are no incompetent female characters in this trilogy by contrast. Hux was a semi-incompetent yes man in TFA. And a totally incompetent buffoon in TLJ. He was constantly making silly mistakes and being made a fool of. Yet he is the top ranking officer of the First Order. Contrast him with Admiral Piett or Grand Moff Tarkin of the OT. You see what I mean? In ROTJ Ackbar is a military genius. He was one of the principal designers of the plan to attack the Death Star. In TFA he can only seem to point out his enemies strengths and the Resistance's weaknesses. In TLJ he was relegated to what looked like being a desk jockey on the bridge. How is the Resistance led by a guy now? I don't see how that's true by any stretch. |
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Post by darkpast on Jan 18, 2018 4:20:36 GMT
its all the execution, it was done bad
JGL defends his buddy so not shocking, he's been drink too much alien titty milk
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Post by Waxer-n-boil on Jan 18, 2018 4:29:21 GMT
I don't look at it as male vs female. If you think they are incompetent fine. They are incompetent people. The fact that they are male or female should be irrelevant. Apparently it is not. Rose is just as incompetent as Finn for instance ( in the sense that the plan fails). And Poe and Luke redeem themselves. Phasma is defeated, again, buy a guy. Heck the resistance is now led by a guy. Does chewie count? Lol By the end of the movie all the males dominate the movie. Your view is askew. Poe was the leader of a mutiny. He should be in a detention block for his involvement. He's a terrible, treasonous soldier. Luke did not redeem himself. He gave the Leia/the Resistance a map of his location, which went onto to get a lot of people killed including a whole village and one of his best friends, Han Solo. Why did Luke do this? We're unsure. Especially given the knowledge that he wants the Jedi to end and personally feels responsible for all the bad that has happened since Return of the Jedi. Even despite this, he feels compelled to leave a map. Then when someone finds him using that map, he then spends most of the movie treating that person like crap...then he dies using too much of the Force, completely forgetting the use of holograms...  The whole movie was stupid. The more I think about it, the more apparent it becomes that these cats in charge of the Star Wars franchise, don't know what they're doing. Nor did they have a plan.They really, really don't have a plan. They never did. The only plan they have is character templates according to the Disney mantra. Everything from the empty storylines to the subpar writing and humor to the production/director problems point to it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 18, 2018 5:36:49 GMT
What about the senseless destruction of the New Republic and the Ressitance being reverted to the old Rebelion, only now smaller and more hopeless? It's the same technique. Just regress everything back to the original story. What's at stake now? The same things as the OT. Rey must become the sole Jedi and train a new order, just like Luke in RotJ. The Rebels must once again defeat the Empire. Its all lazy. There's no inventiveness or boldness in this trilogy. that's why I want to see Rey already teaching and the focus be on the force users not the destruction of the new order but an evolution that nobody is expecting. The focus should be the younglings and their fate. Not the conflict. In my point of view of course. You will have your own opinion of course. It's all conjecture at this point. See, now that's a great idea. I would've liked to see that too. It would've been a natural evolution of the saga. But it won't happen in the next one. It will be a RotJ rehash. Nothing more. To get your idea to work they would've needed to start with Rey as an at least partly, if not fully trained Jedi. Which is what I think they should've done. |
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Post by shinnickneth on Jan 18, 2018 5:42:41 GMT
They really, really don't have a plan. They never did. The only plan they have is character templates according to the Disney mantra. Everything from the empty storylines to the subpar writing and humor to the production/director problems point to it. And this is what comes of tarnishing the legacy of the iconic characters... Episode 8 pulled from Chinese Theaters |
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Post by ryboto on Jan 18, 2018 10:56:33 GMT
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Post by Midi-Chlorian_Count on Jan 18, 2018 20:09:21 GMT
Great stuff from Joseph Gordon-Levit and that's exactly what made the end of Rian Johnson's Looper so wonderful as well - It was fantastic to see his fallible hero "struggle through darkness and doubt" when he came to realise that he just couldn't kill himself thus leaving the young lad to his fate...
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Post by darkpast on Jan 20, 2018 4:54:16 GMT
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Post by moviemeisters on Jan 20, 2018 14:45:55 GMT
I agree with JGL completely! The problems with TLJ had nothing to do with Luke’s character arc (aside from some misplaced humor). Just because a character did something we didn’t expect does NOT mean it’s bad writing or technically wrong.
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Post by johnspartan on Jan 20, 2018 17:23:48 GMT
JGL is a fruitcake. Why would anyone give a damn what he thinks about anything?
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Post by mcufan on Jan 24, 2018 13:41:33 GMT
JGL is a fruitcake. Why would anyone give a damn what he thinks about anything? Well, America elected a fruitcake for president so i'd say fruitcakes are in the order of the day. |
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