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Post by moviebuffbrad on Jan 21, 2018 8:48:26 GMT
It's better. Gay marriage, abortion rights, civil rights, women's rights. Whatever issues people may have (most are the same our parents had about us and our grandparents had about them, etc), these things trump them all. We've gotten better. I agree for the most part, though I wonder if we're running out of legitimate rights to fight for and stuff like "glassgender" and "manspreading" are just the beginning. Meanwhile, the pushback from the opposite side is also growing to where any and everything involving non-white men is a liberal agenda. Between that (which seems like a thinly veiled call for segregation) and "safe spaces" (which seem like a thinly veiled call for segregation) both sides are getting too extreme for my liking. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 22, 2018 14:11:00 GMT
I'd have to know the details of the situation. What specifically about making a cake would be against his religion? Is it a Jewish baker being asked to make a ham cake? Is it a Christian baker being asked to make a meat cake during Lent? What if it's an Islamic fundamentalist baker being asked to put a same sex couple on top of their cake? Did they discriminate because the couple is gay? |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 22, 2018 14:14:52 GMT
In some ways better, in some ways worse. from a overall moral stand point things are overall worse now than they where say 50-60+ years ago for sure. p.s. I voted for worse overall even though some things have gotten better. PreachCaleb The text in bold in the above quote conflicts with one another because those two are clearly immoral things in the eyes of God (i.e. The Holy Trinity(Father/Son(Jesus Christ)/Holy Spirit)). abortion is murder to bottom line that issue for you and like I always say, anyone who don't respect human life at it's most innocent stage (i.e. in mothers womb), will likely make plenty of other immoral choices like supporting euthanasia etc (where does the moral decline end for these people?). basically the liberals tend to be backwards in plenty of key moral areas like abortion being one of the biggest if not THE biggest because it does not respect human life at it's most innocent level (i.e. does not protect the unborn). because once you cross that line it just opens the door to lower ones standards further and further as time passes. basically drifting away from God's standard of living just about guarantees a inevitable moral decline and abortion is a serious sin in the eyes of God but yet it's someones "choice" from a liberals point of view, but making it easier for someone to kill their baby is obviously a bad thing. liberals label it a "choice" but us conservatives tell the truth which is abortion takes the life of a innocent human being which is basically legalized murder. Pro-Life/Pro-Choice... see the difference there? ; one sugar coats a immoral thing where as the other tells it like it is which is a basic life issue and going against basic human life at it's most innocent stage is obviously wrong. but sadly, many don't see this and, even worse, some seem to promote it and act like it's no big deal etc. trust me, the overall moral state of the world (even here in the USA) is on the decline vs what it was say 50+ years ago overall (hell, I think even in the last 15-20 years or so things have gotten noticeably worse). I think someone has to be blind not to recognize at least that much. so while we have advanced in some ways, in many important areas things have generally gotten worse. p.s. the other two you mentioned (i.e. civil rights/women's right) are generally okay, except those more extreme "women's rights" types who are pretty much anti-family/anti-male etc. basically those more extreme feminist types, who are basically anti-male, generally make things worse for society overall because by nature males are better suited for doing certain things and the same goes for females, but those more extreme feminist types try to mirror males etc which just won't work by nature etc etc. you get the gist. Not everyone believes in religious dogma, so choice always trumps religion. Trust me, the overall moral state is improving. I'll take every advancement we've made in rights and choices over living by the standards of ancient religions. And speaking as a Catholic, I have no interest in seeing our beliefs become some moral standard to judge society by. I'll take two consenting homosexual adults marrying over the child sex abuse that's been going on in the church for decades. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 22, 2018 14:15:49 GMT
Everyone voting "worse" should be forced to read THIS. It seems a particularly strange quirk of human cognition to think imaginary, Edenic pasts are preferable to real presents. We're living in an age where life expectancy is at a high, where we have science, technology, and medicine that would've seemed like magic less than a century ago... yet people really think things are on a downward trajectory because of frivolities like PC culture and people bitching on social media? Really?  Thank you. It's mind-boggling that some people think things are worse just because they can't use certain words. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Jan 22, 2018 14:20:41 GMT
It's better. Gay marriage, abortion rights, civil rights, women's rights. Whatever issues people may have (most are the same our parents had about us and our grandparents had about them, etc), these things trump them all. We've gotten better. and stuff like "glassgender" and "manspreading" are just the beginning. Meanwhile, the pushback from the opposite side is also growing to where any and everything involving non-white men is a liberal agenda. Between that (which seems like a thinly veiled call for segregation) and "safe spaces" (which seem like a thinly veiled call for segregation) both sides are getting too extreme for my liking. I don't believe so. I think what's happening is the same thing that's always happened. The older generation feels the battle's done and thinks the new generation is just looking for something new to complain about. |
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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Jan 22, 2018 14:56:21 GMT
Everyone voting "worse" should be forced to read THIS. It seems a particularly strange quirk of human cognition to think imaginary, Edenic pasts are preferable to real presents. We're living in an age where life expectancy is at a high, where we have science, technology, and medicine that would've seemed like magic less than a century ago... yet people really think things are on a downward trajectory because of frivolities like PC culture and people bitching on social media? Really? Thank you. It's mind-boggling that some people think things are worse just because they can't use certain words. You're welcome. Cool avatar btw; love Nathan Fillion and his character on Buffy.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 23, 2018 9:15:34 GMT
Everyone voting "worse" should be forced to read THIS. It seems a particularly strange quirk of human cognition to think imaginary, Edenic pasts are preferable to real presents. We're living in an age where life expectancy is at a high, where we have science, technology, and medicine that would've seemed like magic less than a century ago... yet people really think things are on a downward trajectory because of frivolities like PC culture and people bitching on social media? Really? Thank you. It's mind-boggling that some people think things are worse just because they can't use certain words. According to this poll alone it's a lot more than just some people who think things are worse and that concerns me especially for their reasoning. Every time I was in history class learning stuff that happened and hearing how people used to think made me feel grateful that I didn't live in that time lol. I do see the positives and negatives of the internet and social media, but I don't see how that would make society as a whole any worse than what it was before. Its just a different problem that maybe other generations never really had to go through before so its just unique to our own time and can't really be compared to other generations. The lack of privacy because of social media may be the only thing I can agree on that makes certain things worse. At least back in the day if you got really drunk one night and humiliated yourself you wouldn't have to worry about any pictures being taken of you and then posted on Facebook the next day where the whole world can see it. You also didn't have to worry about being fired from a your job because of what they find about you through social media and use it against you. I really don't like social media for that reason and don't want random people knowing everything about me or what I do. Also people can record anything they want and take pictures of people without their permission and they really can't do anything about it. I feel like sense of privacy is lost in that aspect and may or may not get worse because of what was once seen as private is not private now and its already started to become a norm to expose yourself and other people for the whole world to see. Im sure I've been in thousands of pictures on social media before and don't know about it.. because no one is going to ask if its okay if they take a picture of you. Also, people these days are typically highly focused on themselves that they don't really pay much attention to the lack of privacy and mostly because of always being on their phones. I think this sense of privacy might be completely lost in the future just because we have become so used to social media being the norm, and social media is the exact opposite of private even when people might think it is. And I have this theory that your friend suggestion list on Facebook is actually your stalker list. -_- I one time met this guy at an outdoor club but didn't see each other for over a year after that. Then I randomly thought of him one day and searched him on Facebook and found his page but I didn't add him because I wasn't sure if he would remember me. Then the next day I got a friend request from him and he told me I just randomly came up on his friend suggestion list...literally right after the night I stalked his page . SO yeah that definitely was NOT random -_- And its so weird and creepy how FB gathers all this info. Like Ive met people IRL before and then all of the sudden Facebook suggests them as a friend even when we don't have any mutual friends. Like how do they know that I know that person?  |
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Post by yezziqa on Jan 23, 2018 11:25:16 GMT
Thank you. It's mind-boggling that some people think things are worse just because they can't use certain words. the next day I got a friend request from him and he told me I just randomly came up on his friend suggestion list... literally right after the night I stalked his page . SO yeah that definitely was NOT random -_- Like Ive met people IRL before and then all of the sudden Facebook suggests them as a friend even when we don't have any mutual friends. Like how do they know that I know that person? Didn't you just answer your own question? They stalked your page the night before, just like you did with his page. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 7:25:35 GMT
I would say it is a combination of both.
There is far less homophobia and racism here in Australia than there was when I was younger but there are a lot of other problems such as alcohol related violence, binge drinking and ice addicts. We currently have some of the highest rates for Ice abuse in the world and Ice makes people violent and turn on their families and friends. 
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Post by General Kenobi on Jan 27, 2018 19:40:02 GMT
I thinks it's an eternal struggle. For every step forward we take two steps back. But things are better then they were 20 years ago and 20 years from now things will be better then they are now.
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Post by QueenB on Mar 14, 2018 0:38:20 GMT
Sadly, it's getting worse.
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