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Post by hobowar on Jan 20, 2018 18:25:58 GMT
They had better plots and depth than WW or JL, and their heroes have better personalities than WW's "Naive Woman-Child becoming slightly less Naive Woman-Child". Wonder Woman had depth until it decided to take a dump on itself in the third act.
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Post by hobowar on Jan 20, 2018 18:28:07 GMT
Well structured plots, and thematic depth? Hahahaha. Those movies are high-budget blockbusters, things like plot and depth doesn't excist there. The movies can only impress with lots of action, and special effects. It's not different from Transformers and Fast & Furious. What was the last big-budget blockbuster you watched and what would you say was its core message?
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Post by hobowar on Jan 20, 2018 18:33:08 GMT
Guardians, Ragnarok and Homecoming had well structured plots, thematic depth and characters with consistent personalities and clear motivations. Yup. for my money, Hawkeye's farm scene and 100% of Ultron's dialogue had more depth and narrative complexity than any of the DC abominations (Yes, I'm including Dark Knight).
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 20, 2018 18:37:33 GMT
They had better plots and depth than WW or JL, and their heroes have better personalities than WW's "Naive Woman-Child becoming slightly less Naive Woman-Child". Wonder Woman had depth until it decided to take a dump on itself in the third act. the third act and her realization that she was wrong, and her grasping the complicated duality of humanity and the cause of war was THE thing elevating this script leagues above the rest. The notions are in the final monologue: a master class in character development: Btw I am happy for you sock-ing around here trolling, but at least show the decency to put on an avatar really.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 20, 2018 18:39:08 GMT
the third act and her realization that she was wrong Ah yes, "Naive Woman-Child becomes slightly less Naive Woman-Child". How deep. You'd expect someone thousands of years old to have surpassed this level of intelligence a few millennia ago but that's too much to hope for in a DCEU character. Tommy Wiseau be proud.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 20, 2018 18:43:26 GMT
Yup. for my money, Hawkeye's farm scene and 100% of Ultron's dialogue had more depth and narrative complexity than any of the DC abominations (Yes, I'm including Dark Knight). lol, you must have loved, " I can't have babies, I feel like a monster", " Play hide the zucchini" with me Hulk. Textbook MCU. Only the most shallow will find that deep. But knock yourself out, buddy. As they say, the raccoon turd always floats on the shallow end of the kiddy pool.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 20, 2018 18:46:11 GMT
You mean when she was bringing up how she'd been raised to kill as a kid for the KGB? Yeah, plenty of people would feel like a monster over that. It was more believable than "Die a Hero or live long enough to become a villain"...which is historically inaccurate. But Nolan was too sure of himself to consider that his philosophies should be challenged, like a good writer would think.
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Post by hobowar on Jan 20, 2018 19:01:14 GMT
I can't have babies, I feel like a monster? Play hide the zucchini with me Hulk? I may have loved those if anyone had said that, but they didn't say that or anything similar to it.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 20, 2018 19:13:57 GMT
I can't have babies, I feel like a monster? Play hide the zucchini with me Hulk? I may have loved those if anyone had said that, but they didn't say that or anything similar to it. Anti-MCU folks love to bring up Widow's line as if her sterilization was what she was talking about. She was referring to how she'd been brainwashed to be a child assassin.
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Post by hobowar on Jan 20, 2018 19:20:47 GMT
I can't have babies, I feel like a monster? Play hide the zucchini with me Hulk? I may have loved those if anyone had said that, but they didn't say that or anything similar to it. Anti-MCU folks love to bring up Widow's line as if her sterilization was what she was talking about. She was referring to how she'd been brainwashed to be a child assassin. Thank you, formersamhmd. I love how people like to paraphrase what she said like I don't have the fookin' blu-ray as evidence.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 20, 2018 19:22:13 GMT
Anti-MCU folks love to bring up Widow's line as if her sterilization was what she was talking about. She was referring to how she'd been brainwashed to be a child assassin. Thank you, formersamhmd. I love how people like to paraphrase what she said like I don't the fookin' blu-ray as evidence. They're desperate for the MCU equivalent of "Martha!"
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Post by King Conan on Jan 20, 2018 20:02:53 GMT
Well structured plots, and thematic depth? Hahahaha. Those movies are high-budget blockbusters, things like plot and depth doesn't excist there. The movies can only impress with lots of action, and special effects. It's not different from Transformers and Fast & Furious. What was the last big-budget blockbuster you watched and what would you say was its core message? Big-Budget Blockster doesn't have any core messages. The only things they have, is CGI-Overkill, and mindless destruction orgies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 20, 2018 20:13:45 GMT
What was the last big-budget blockbuster you watched and what would you say was its core message? Big-Budget Blockster doesn't have any core messages. The only things they have, is CGI-Overkill, and mindless destruction orgies. Spoken like a truly pretentious snob.
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Post by King Conan on Jan 20, 2018 20:22:05 GMT
No retard. Spoken like a child from the 80's a time, where those movies doesn't excist. But let me guess, you love destruction orgies and and killing of innocent peoples right? Do you fap everytime if this happens, in your beloved block-buster movies?
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Post by blockbusted on Jan 20, 2018 20:40:15 GMT
No retard. Spoken like a child from the 80's a time, where those movies doesn't excist. But let me guess, you love destruction orgies and and killing of innocent peoples right? Do you fap everytime if this happens, in your beloved block-buster movies? Says a guy who has the avatar from ‘Conan the Barbarian’.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 20, 2018 20:49:19 GMT
Thank you, formersamhmd. I love how people like to paraphrase what she said like I don't the fookin' blu-ray as evidence. They're desperate for the MCU equivalent of "Martha!" that would be the killed-my-mom nonsense. There is no real counterpart for the turd, nipples and penis dance off dialogue tough.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jan 20, 2018 21:03:35 GMT
Of what? He's only ever had one good movie, and even then they had to radically change the character and his background. the first Conan movie is better than any formulaic, conveyer belt MCU movie. Not to mention the glorious music of Conan 1 and 2, there is more manliness and adventure in one bar of this soundtrack than in all of kiddy Marvel. Listen and grow a pair! Conan The Barbarian(1982) is a fine sword and sorcery movie, but as an adaptation of the comic and original stories its a disaster and a middle finger to fans who were well versed into the character before the movie. Conan as portrayed by Arnold is even a total wuss compared to his literary counterpart - For starters, he is not even a real barbarian he's a freed slave who learned everything from civilization. Literary Conan was a full-on barbarian who was born on the battlefield and was raised to fight, kill, and trick by his own people and their associates. At a young age he was already pissing off warlords, stealing from kings, and slicing and dicing demonic beasts (No way would this guy die in his first movie via crucifiction and be resurrected by a wizard, he'd slaughter Thulsa Doom and his men by himself in less than an hour). He is also, unlike Arnold's rendition, not a man of few words and freely speaks his mind as he wishes. He is also very complicated and perplexing - Civilized customs are foreign to him, yet he has a philosophy that is more sophisticated than the rest of the world with their warring religions; if he is real then he is real, if he is an illusion than he is no less of one, if there is an afterlife waiting for him then there is if there isn't so be it, no matter the turn out he is who he is and lives, loves, slays, and he is content with all that. Arnold's Conan also prays to Crom for help when going to war when in the literary source Conan and his people cannot pray to Crom because Crom is not the kind of deity who appreciates that - he expects ALL his followers to fend for themselves and if they request his help he'll call them weak and send nothing but doom their way. Truthfully, Arnold played a better Mr. Freeze than he did as Conan, he was just in a better movie. And yes, I am speaking the truth. Before Mr. Freeze got revamped for the Batman animated show in the 90's with a tragic backstory he was a one-note, goofy, OTT villain who made ice puns, dressed in snowy robes, and took glee in destroying lives. Arnold certainly played that in Batman & Robin, with an added dose of the animated show's backstory, so yes he did better as Freeze than as Conan when you compare how true he stayed with the character's roots and all.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 20, 2018 21:08:14 GMT
I can't have babies, I feel like a monster? Play hide the zucchini with me Hulk? I may have loved those if anyone had said that, but they didn't say that or anything similar to it.dude, the Nile is not just a river in Egypt. Or maybe you did not quote me because you did not want answers to your ignorant deflections? Anyway, the full dialogue was like this (look up sterilized etc if you do not understand the meaning): “ You know what my final test was in the Red Room? They sterilized me, said it was one less thing to worry about. You think you’re the only monster on the team?” " Play hide the zucchini" was said by Stark in ratlation to Hulk and her. And it unleashed a veritable SHITSTORM that made Josh Whedon leave twitter for good. Maybe you should start to begin to understand and reasonably question the movies you are praising for their alleged deepness? It would be an indication that one can finally take you seriously, and not just for a trolling child having sensitive nipples. Welcome.
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Post by King Conan on Jan 20, 2018 21:19:32 GMT
No retard. Spoken like a child from the 80's a time, where those movies doesn't excist. But let me guess, you love destruction orgies and and killing of innocent peoples right? Do you fap everytime if this happens, in your beloved block-buster movies? Says a guy who has the avatar from ‘Conan the Barbarian’. Conan isn't an destruction orgy, with cgi overkill. It has practical effects. But a kid like you doesn't know what thats means.
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Post by hobowar on Jan 20, 2018 21:27:07 GMT
I can't have babies, I feel like a monster? Play hide the zucchini with me Hulk? I may have loved those if anyone had said that, but they didn't say that or anything similar to it.dude, the Nile is not just a river in Egypt. Or maybe you did not quote me because you did not want answers to your ignorant deflections? Anyway, the full dialogue was like this (look up sterilized etc if you do not understand the meaning): “ You know what my final test was in the Red Room? They sterilized me, said it was one less thing to worry about. You think you’re the only monster on the team?” " Play hide the zucchini" was said by Stark in ratlation to Hulk and her. And it unleashed a veritable SHITSTORM that made Josh Whedon leave twitter for good. Maybe you should start to begin to understand and reasonably question the movies you are praising for their alleged deepness? It would be an indication that one can finally take you seriously, and not just for a trolling child having sensitive nipples. Welcome. You still got most of that wrong. I have it on blu-ray so STOP paraphrasing!!!!
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