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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 20, 2018 21:42:17 GMT
You still got most of that wrong. I have it on blu-ray so STOP paraphrasing!!!! ah, I think you got the popular Avenger AoU Dildo spoof. I now understand your enjoyment and what you mean by "deep" - but note that this version does not include the loathsome sexist language discussed.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 2:11:42 GMT
They're desperate for the MCU equivalent of "Martha!" that would be the killed-my-mom nonsense. So Magneto from First Class, then. He was all "you killed my mom" after all.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 2:12:49 GMT
“ You know what my final test was in the Red Room? They sterilized me, said it was one less thing to worry about. You think you’re the only monster on the team?” So she says she's a monster for everything the Red Room did to her, which entails being brainwashed into killing her classmates and numerous other people. Reasonable she'd say she was a monster over that. Shows self-awareness. Moreso than anything Batman, Superman or WW ever have said.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 21, 2018 8:00:46 GMT
“ You know what my final test was in the Red Room? They sterilized me, said it was one less thing to worry about. You think you’re the only monster on the team?” So she says she's a monster for everything the Red Room did to her, which entails being brainwashed into killing her classmates and numerous other people. Reasonable she'd say she was a monster over that. Shows self-awareness. Moreso than anything Batman, Superman or WW ever have said. spinning and misrepresenting dialogue and random strike-back deflections will not help your case, sam. The word and context interpretation of the dialogue is clear: "monster" in stated in connection with her sterilization. There is nothing to suggest what you say, in fact you made that up. Thus, you have either an completely insensible, incompetent prick of a writer or you actually have a genuine "baby-machine" misogynist, or both. Anyway, this is an infamy and embarrassment in a film directed at impressionable children and manchildren. MCU fully deserves it's immature sausage-fest image. QED
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 21, 2018 8:25:41 GMT
that would be the killed-my-mom nonsense. So Magneto from First Class, then. He was all "you killed my mom" after all. yes Marvel lore is embarrassingly formulaic and full of kiddy tropes in general, alas. Still, the First Class conflict is leagues ahead of MCU in writing quality and maturity. The coin scene is an INCREDIBLY dark, bloody and brutal scene with a proper motivational set up. This is written and executed differently from the cringe worthy "You should not have killed my mom...or squished my Walkman" or IM's godawful "I don't care, he killed my mom!" clobber scene. Magneto's a character defining moment. But why do I talk? Here it is, one must be tone deaf and dull not to see the quality difference.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 13:33:09 GMT
So she says she's a monster for everything the Red Room did to her, which entails being brainwashed into killing her classmates and numerous other people. Reasonable she'd say she was a monster over that. Shows self-awareness. Moreso than anything Batman, Superman or WW ever have said. The word and context interpretation of the dialogue is clear: Yes, she's talking about everything that happened to her. You just cling to the sterilization for some reason. What you're describing is "MARTHA!"
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 13:35:44 GMT
So Magneto from First Class, then. He was all "you killed my mom" after all. yes Marvel lore is embarrassingly formulaic and full of kiddy tropes in general, alas. So is Star Wars, Star Trek, Lord of the Rings, Conan, Dr Who, DC and...a lot of stuff, really. The key is to not be pretentious over it. No, it's just pretentious. And ashamed, like all of FoX-Men. It's just Magneto being all "You killed my mom" except not in a naturalistic way. Proves his hypocrisy, which the movie refuses to elaborate on.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 13:45:50 GMT
It's just Magneto being all "You killed my mom" except not in a naturalistic way. Proves his hypocrisy, which the movie refuses to elaborate on. No its not the same. Stark doesn't have the patience, as hes written to be a impulsive hothead making the same mistakes continually, to understand Caps argument that Bucky was brainwashed. How is that comparable to Eric who witnesses Shaw through his own self, kill his mother in cold blood right infront of him. And its no way hypocritical, he understands and agreed with Shaws philosophy in a non-violent way but hes never in any film hunting down humans and killing parents infront of their kids like Shaw did.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 14:05:03 GMT
No its not the same. Stark doesn't have the patience, as hes written to be a impulsive hothead making the same mistakes continually, to understand Caps argument that Bucky was brainwashed. Yes, it's more human in Tony's case because he'd been pushed to the Razor's Edge by that point and this was the last straw. Plus he felt betrayed by Steve. It's much more generic, for one thing. You'd never see the X-Men do something like have it turn out that it was one of the good guys who killed Erik's mom and Xavier knew but didn't tell him. He decides to take over his group and lead them to wipe out Humanity because of what happened to him in the Holocaust, when in truth the one who killed his family was a Mutant. So he's fine espousing Nazi Ideology that killed his family in the first place. If Shaw had been anyone OTHER than the guy who killed his mom he'd happily have embrace Nazi Ideals of a master Race. You don't see Stark becoming Hydra after finding out Hydra killed his family.
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Post by scabab on Jan 21, 2018 16:21:34 GMT
It's true you'd never see something like that coin scene in an MCU movie. That was pretty memorable.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 17:34:25 GMT
He decides to take over his group and lead them to wipe out Humanity because of what happened to him in the Holocaust, when in truth the one who killed his family was a Mutant. Wrong on both counts. No where is it implied that Magneto and the Hellfire club want to wipe out humanity. And the mutant may have killed his mother but the Nazis killed alot of his people including his father.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 18:03:40 GMT
It's true you'd never see something like that coin scene in an MCU movie. That was pretty memorable. And Fox never would've had the Balls to make a movie like Guardians. Evens out. They also never would've had the balls to ever say that not every German in WWII was a baby-eating Nazi maniac.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 18:04:48 GMT
He decides to take over his group and lead them to wipe out Humanity because of what happened to him in the Holocaust, when in truth the one who killed his family was a Mutant. Wrong on both counts. No where is it implied that Magneto and the Hellfire club want to wipe out humanity. Erik's actions say otherwise. His motive was revenge on Shaw first and foremost, he never acknowledges this nor does he ever think that Mutants can be just as bad as the worst of Humanity.
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Post by scabab on Jan 21, 2018 18:15:04 GMT
And Fox never would've had the Balls to make a movie like Guardians. Evens out. They also never would've had the balls to ever say that not every German in WWII was a baby-eating Nazi maniac. You're going completely off track. That had nothing to do with the coin scene in First Class....
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 18:21:44 GMT
And Fox never would've had the Balls to make a movie like Guardians. Evens out. They also never would've had the balls to ever say that not every German in WWII was a baby-eating Nazi maniac. You're going completely off track. That had nothing to do with the coin scene in First Class.... They already gave us something like the coin scene, Ronan smashing a guy's head open so he could bathe in his blood. I'm sure you'll bring up how it doesn't count because the guy's blood was blue.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jan 21, 2018 19:28:32 GMT
You're going completely off track. That had nothing to do with the coin scene in First Class.... They already gave us something like the coin scene, Ronan smashing a guy's head open so he could bathe in his blood. I'm sure you'll bring up how it doesn't count because the guy's blood was blue. In fact for the age-rating regulators in countries the color of blood actually makes a great difference, when the blood-color looks fake ("stage blood") they are way more lenient. I do not even know what their opinion on blue blood is. Apart from this, having an implied smashed head (you do not see it) is completely different from the sadistic mayham of a protagonist slowly making a coin penetrate the antagonist's head and seeing it exit again, (red) CGI blood included. One is traumatically memorable, the other one not so much. Luke Skywalker drinking and spitting green milk was more traumatic for me than the latter...
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Post by formersamhmd on Jan 21, 2018 19:41:02 GMT
Apart from this, having an implied smashed head (you do not see it) is completely different from the sadistic mayham of a protagonist slowly making a coin penetrate the antagonist's head and seeing it exit again, (red) CGI blood included. Yeah, one is just a bad guy getting killed and the other shows how psychotic and vicious the bad guy is that he'd do such a depraved thing. That's Countess Elizabeth Báthory de Ecsed level stuff. Yeah, it's why no one really cares about Shaw or mentions him except hardcore FoX-Men fans while GOTG is still seen as a modern classic space opera.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:21:14 GMT
The MCU shows are better, because they are more story and character driven. The movies are just mindless CGI orgies where buildings and whole countries are destroyed, and innocent people a killed. Said imbecile with a Conan avatar.
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Post by charzhino on Jan 21, 2018 21:32:23 GMT
The MCU shows are better, because they are more story and character driven. The movies are just mindless CGI orgies where buildings and whole countries are destroyed, and innocent people a killed. Said imbecile with a Conan avatar. Textbook example you and your kind CANNOT take ANY criticism about MCU without having to resort to personal ad hominem attacks. You are a cancer.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:35:52 GMT
Said imbecile with a Conan avatar. Textbook example you and your kind CANNOT take ANY criticism about MCU without having to resort to personal ad hominem attacks. You are a cancer. Conan has insulted us many times in the past. He had that one coming. You, however are a textbook example of cancer.
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