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Post by goz on Jan 26, 2018 22:25:57 GMT
Sane people don't want to end ALL life on earth. ( except your own of course because you have to prothelytise for ending all the OTHER lives on earth) lol Mic must be last man standing! Tell that to the psychiatric board! So which clinical diagnosis does wanting the cycle of imposition and harm to end fall under? IMHO you have a range of psychological issues, despite being intelligent and articulate. In our previous discussions you have exhibited some of the traits of a sociopath, butt this new more worrying suggestion of using robots to killor limit mankind or some means to spray the population so that they cannot reproduce, which is your psychotic aim for humanity ie to cease being except for yourself, is definitely psychopathy. I also think you are on the spectrum for Asbergers I am no expert but I studied psychology at tertiary level www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopath
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Post by goz on Jan 26, 2018 22:30:46 GMT
There is no "bats!t crazy" in the DSM, or whatever other diagnostic manual qualified professionals may put stock in. I am nonviolent in the sense that I have never been violent to anyone else and have absolutely no violent impulses, and abhor causing pain or harm to people or animals (hence why I'm an antinatalist in the first place). No, to be either/ and or a sociopath or psychopath you don't need to be violent as you have intellectualised your mania so that you psychologically and philosophically believe in sociopathic and pschcopathic aims and ideals and perhaps only phanticise and endlessly propose them on internet message boards, TOTALLY convinced you are right. In a sense you are a sociopathic/psychopath by proxy.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:30:46 GMT
So which clinical diagnosis does wanting the cycle of imposition and harm to end fall under? IMHO you have a range of psychological issues, despite being intelligent and articulate. In our previous discussions you have exhibited some of the traits of a sociopath, butt this new more worrying suggestion of using robots to killor limit mankind or some means to spray the population so that they cannot reproduce, which is your psychotic aim for humanity ie to cease being except for yourself, is definitely psychopathy. I also think you are on the spectrum for Asbergers I am no expert but I studied psychology at tertiary level www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopathI'll give you Aspergers (which I have suspected that I possibly have), but that isn't a mental illness. If I were a psychopath, then I would have no concern for the suffering of others, let alone have a strong conviction that imposed suffering ought to be ended by drastic means. Although psychopathy/sociopathy aren't mental illnesses in any case, so you've failed to name anything that supports your charge of "certifiably insane". And yes, I would like to also cease to exist, but whilst I'm being forced to exist due to the restrictive and paternalistic laws on suicide, I want to at least contribute to getting these secular views more widely disseminated.
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Post by goz on Jan 26, 2018 22:38:35 GMT
IMHO you have a range of psychological issues, despite being intelligent and articulate. In our previous discussions you have exhibited some of the traits of a sociopath, butt this new more worrying suggestion of using robots to killor limit mankind or some means to spray the population so that they cannot reproduce, which is your psychotic aim for humanity ie to cease being except for yourself, is definitely psychopathy. I also think you are on the spectrum for Asbergers I am no expert but I studied psychology at tertiary level www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopathI'll give you Aspergers (which I have suspected that I possibly have), but that isn't a mental illness. If I were a psychopath, then I would have no concern for the suffering of others, let alone have a strong conviction that imposed suffering ought to be ended by drastic means. Although psychopathy/sociopathy aren't mental illnesses in any case, so you've failed to name anything that supports your charge of "certifiably insane". And yes, I would like to also cease to exist, but whilst I'm being forced to exist due to the restrictive and paternalistic laws on suicide, I want to at least contribute to getting these secular views more widely disseminated. Please see my next post to you explaining this butt in this post you claim that 'If I were a psychopath would have no concern for the suffering of others'. Seriously, do you not think almost everyone in the world would suffer were you wishes to come true and we were all ( except you ) either killed by AI and/or forcibly prevented from reproducing? The rest of us mostly enjoy the only life we have and often aim to have and enjoy families. You are batsh!t crazy. BTW No-one is forcing you to exist. Millions of people commit suicide all the time. You are just a delusional hypocrite. As a sentient human being, you have choices. There are a zillion ways to top yourself without society holding your hand, if you were for real.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:48:35 GMT
I'll give you Aspergers (which I have suspected that I possibly have), but that isn't a mental illness. If I were a psychopath, then I would have no concern for the suffering of others, let alone have a strong conviction that imposed suffering ought to be ended by drastic means. Although psychopathy/sociopathy aren't mental illnesses in any case, so you've failed to name anything that supports your charge of "certifiably insane". And yes, I would like to also cease to exist, but whilst I'm being forced to exist due to the restrictive and paternalistic laws on suicide, I want to at least contribute to getting these secular views more widely disseminated. Please see my next post to you explaining this butt in this post you claim that 'If I were a psychopath would have no concern for the suffering of others'. Seriously, do you not think almost everyone in the world would suffer were you wishes to come true and we were all ( except you ) either killed by AI and/or forcibly prevented from reproducing? The rest of us mostly enjoy the only life we have and often aim to have and enjoy families. You are batsh!t crazy. BTW No-one is forcing you to exist. Millions of people commit suicide all the time. You are just a delusional hypocrite. As a sentient human being, you have choices. There are a zillion ways to top yourself without society holding your hand, if you were for real. Yes, people would suffer if they were exterminated in a painful way, and I would far prefer to avoid that. But it would be better to cause suffering in those currently alive, especially when done in order to prevent those people from perpetuating an endless cycle of suffering on others for their own projected gain. And I would be one of the people killed in that event and having to suffer, because it would be unlikely that rational and compassionate suicide laws would exist to enable me to exit in a graceful way. So you're saying that I am a psychopath because I'd rather actually minimise the number of people who are forced to suffer. Also one of the criteria for psychopathy was this "A disregard for the rights of others". But my whole philosophical system is based on the fact that I think that there should be a right not to be unduly imposed upon (unduly meaning being treated as a means to someone else's end). And I am being forced to exist based on the fact that all the methods that haven't been banned are risky and most are painful. The reason why this is the case is because people such as yourself are afraid that you can't win the argument (about this hubristic sanctity of life mush) by fair means, so you've got to use forceful and paternalistic means to impede anyone who would dissent (and if they spend a lifetime being tortured by suffering, then it's worth it in your estimation in service of upholding the 'sanctity of life'). If people actually had easy access to the means to suicide for whatever reason that they saw fit, then pretty soon your game would be up and people would start to see the futility of all of this.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 22:58:06 GMT
There is no "bats!t crazy" in the DSM, or whatever other diagnostic manual qualified professionals may put stock in. I am nonviolent in the sense that I have never been violent to anyone else and have absolutely no violent impulses, and abhor causing pain or harm to people or animals (hence why I'm an antinatalist in the first place). No, to be either/ and or a sociopath or psychopath you don't need to be violent as you have intellectualised your mania so that you psychologically and philosophically believe in sociopathic and pschcopathic aims and ideals and perhaps only phanticise and endlessly propose them on internet message boards, TOTALLY convinced you are right. In a sense you are a sociopathic/psychopath by proxy. If any of you Pollyannas can ever find a flaw in my argument, then I will be less convinced that I'm right. And I don't have any 'mania', I have a fairly stable mood and never engage in so called 'flame wars' like other people. I was even civil to Ada. The goal of not having suffering imposed on people in service of the gains of the imposer is not 'psychopathic'. I would vastly prefer to accomplish that without anybody at all having to suffer. But if it's a choice of either having the people currently alive suffer, or having many many generations of future sufferers, then I'd rather have the least number of sufferers.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 23:14:23 GMT
tpfkar No, to be either/ and or a sociopath or psychopath you don't need to be violent as you have intellectualised your mania so that you psychologically and philosophically believe in sociopathic and pschcopathic aims and ideals and perhaps only phanticise and endlessly propose them on internet message boards, TOTALLY convinced you are right. In a sense you are a sociopathic/psychopath by proxy. If any of you Pollyannas can ever find a flaw in my argument, then I will be less convinced that I'm right. And I don't have any 'mania', I have a fairly stable mood and never engage in so called 'flame wars' like other people. I was even civil to Ada. The goal of not having suffering imposed on people in service of the gains of the imposer is not 'psychopathic'. I would vastly prefer to accomplish that without anybody at all having to suffer. But if it's a choice of either having the people currently alive suffer, or having many many generations of future sufferers, then I'd rather have the least number of sufferers. You and Erj both! And you insult continuously all the way back to "religious" and "selfish" and "callous" and "Catholic" and idiots" and whatever else you feel like when you do it before coming back around to complain about it. And right, wanting to nuke the world is ok because your reasons are "drastic". On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:18:15 GMT
tpfkar If any of you Pollyannas can ever find a flaw in my argument, then I will be less convinced that I'm right. And I don't have any 'mania', I have a fairly stable mood and never engage in so called 'flame wars' like other people. I was even civil to Ada. The goal of not having suffering imposed on people in service of the gains of the imposer is not 'psychopathic'. I would vastly prefer to accomplish that without anybody at all having to suffer. But if it's a choice of either having the people currently alive suffer, or having many many generations of future sufferers, then I'd rather have the least number of sufferers. You and Erj both! And you insult continuously all the way back to "religious" and "selfish" and "callous" and "Catholic" and idiots" and whatever else you feel like when you do it before coming back around to complain about it. And right, wanting to nuke the world is ok because your reasons are "drastic". On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"I'm civil to those who are civil to me. And I also don't insult in every post, nor go over the top with my insults. I find it disgusting that you want the government to be able to forcibly prevent people from ending their suffering, and have people (who had no say in their birth) be forced to rely on their own means in order to escape serious harm. And I fully stand by my assertion that the motivation for wanting that to be the status quo is neither secular nor rational.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 23:26:09 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:30:56 GMT
Half of the posters on this forum have you on ignore because you won't leave them alone, so I think that supports my claim not to be the main aggressor. And it is both pathetic and disgusting to want people to be forced to indefinitely endure experiences that you haven't even experienced, when they would be experiencing no harm if society respected their wishes and made appropriate provisions to accommodate those wishes. And assisted suicide is not connected to antinatalists. Most of the people who support it are not antinatalists.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 26, 2018 23:40:10 GMT
tpfkar Half of the posters on this forum have you on ignore because you won't leave them alone, so I think that supports my claim not to be the main aggressor. And it is both pathetic and disgusting to want people to be forced to indefinitely endure experiences that you haven't even experienced, when they would be experiencing no harm if society respected their wishes and made appropriate provisions to accommodate those wishes. And assisted suicide is not connected to antinatalists. Most of the people who support it are not antinatalists. Your idea that someone who responds is an aggressor and your frequent calls for help shows your pain, I guess. No matter how much you dump, you can't erase your utter hypocrisy of starting and continuing the nasty and then wailing about replies to it and descriptions of pure crazy. And I'm not having a conversation with someone just speaking about state suicide for the mentally ill, whom I could disagree with and not be called all manner of nasty names followed by blubbers about the tone nor be subject to all manner of rank irrationality. This is the conversation with you, the guy that posts posed half-naked pictures of Asians in torture situations as relevant to anything, posts the most utter crazy, insults and calls names at will, and then howls and begs about it. If true, then it is cute, cuddly, fuzzy and multicultural because Muslims are (mostly) brown. That takes precedence over any moral concern.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 26, 2018 23:51:43 GMT
tpfkar Half of the posters on this forum have you on ignore because you won't leave them alone, so I think that supports my claim not to be the main aggressor. And it is both pathetic and disgusting to want people to be forced to indefinitely endure experiences that you haven't even experienced, when they would be experiencing no harm if society respected their wishes and made appropriate provisions to accommodate those wishes. And assisted suicide is not connected to antinatalists. Most of the people who support it are not antinatalists. Your idea that someone who responds is an aggressor and your frequent calls for help shows your pain, I guess. No matter how much you dump, you can't erase your utter hypocrisy of starting and continuing the nasty and then wailing about replies to it and descriptions of pure crazy. And I'm not having a conversation with someone just speaking about state suicide for the mentally ill, whom I could disagree with and not be called all manner of nasty names followed by blubbers about the tone nor be subject to all manner of rank irrationality. This is the conversation with you, the guy that posts posed half-naked pictures of Asians in torture situations as relevant to anything, posts the most utter crazy, insults and calls names at will, and then howls and begs about it. If true, then it is cute, cuddly, fuzzy and multicultural because Muslims are (mostly) brown. That takes precedence over any moral concern.When have I ever made a 'call for help'? When I ask about how I started the situation, you keep referring to one situation where I was having difficulty comprehending your posts and assumed that English wasn't your first language (which was my honest assumption, even if I was snarky about the way I asked about it). I think that this hit a sensitive spot, because this was independent of the several other people who have pointed out your frequently garbled posting style. And I have had discussions about the right to die without calling them names, and without them escalating any situation by calling me a psychopath. From what I have seen, you tend to steer clear of having any kind of contentious discussion with the people that you like. I would infer that this is likely because you know you won't be able to restrain yourself from insulting them and destroying any goodwill that you may still have left.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 27, 2018 0:09:20 GMT
tpfkar Your idea that someone who responds is an aggressor and your frequent calls for help shows your pain, I guess. No matter how much you dump, you can't erase your utter hypocrisy of starting and continuing the nasty and then wailing about replies to it and descriptions of pure crazy. And I'm not having a conversation with someone just speaking about state suicide for the mentally ill, whom I could disagree with and not be called all manner of nasty names followed by blubbers about the tone nor be subject to all manner of rank irrationality. This is the conversation with you, the guy that posts posed half-naked pictures of Asians in torture situations as relevant to anything, posts the most utter crazy, insults and calls names at will, and then howls and begs about it. If true, then it is cute, cuddly, fuzzy and multicultural because Muslims are (mostly) brown. That takes precedence over any moral concern.When have I ever made a 'call for help'? When I ask about how I started the situation, you keep referring to one situation where I was having difficulty comprehending your posts and assumed that English wasn't your first language (which was my honest assumption, even if I was snarky about the way I asked about it). I think that this hit a sensitive spot, because this was independent of the several other people who have pointed out your frequently garbled posting style. And I have had discussions about the right to die without calling them names, and without them escalating any situation by calling me a psychopath. From what I have seen, you tend to steer clear of having any kind of contentious discussion with the people that you like. I would infer that this is likely because you know you won't be able to restrain yourself from insulting them and destroying any goodwill that you may still have left. Again just now, "other people who have you on ignore", and your overt beg to a response being an "aggression". Sure, you made frustrated typo diving, but then you called direct names, which you continue to this day. No skin off me, but when you do that and then wail about tone and accurate appraisals of your crazy, it just shows what a delicate flower you are. And again you beg to outside. Personally I like it when people collapse to typo-crying, as it shows they know they're full of it - otherwise they'd straightforward ask for a clarification. "Right to die" is not wanting to nuke the world nor even justifying anything by the deranged "once they're dead they can't feel anything". That's pure around-the-bend crazy, regardless of whether that stings. I match tone, and am quite fond of engaging crass hypocrisy, senses of entitlement, nasty, and of course as you know, all of that and pure crazy too. And I don't have likes, or people I really reply to here, I reply to post content. Nor am I in any way concerned with "goodwill" above just getting down to accurate information. But you go right ahead with your begs to the greater theater. Maybe it will take the pressure of the unhinged, utterly hypocritical stuff you post. Given that there's no compelling reason why life needs to be created, then the principle of non-violence should obtain here (an act of imposing a burden on someone else without their consent, even if that burden may bring benefits, is an act of violence).
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 0:31:10 GMT
tpfkar When have I ever made a 'call for help'? When I ask about how I started the situation, you keep referring to one situation where I was having difficulty comprehending your posts and assumed that English wasn't your first language (which was my honest assumption, even if I was snarky about the way I asked about it). I think that this hit a sensitive spot, because this was independent of the several other people who have pointed out your frequently garbled posting style. And I have had discussions about the right to die without calling them names, and without them escalating any situation by calling me a psychopath. From what I have seen, you tend to steer clear of having any kind of contentious discussion with the people that you like. I would infer that this is likely because you know you won't be able to restrain yourself from insulting them and destroying any goodwill that you may still have left. Again just now, "other people who have you on ignore", and your overt beg to a response being an "aggression". Sure, you made frustrated typo diving, but then you called direct names, which you continue to this day. No skin off me, but when you do that and then wail about tone and accurate appraisals of your crazy, it just shows what a delicate flower you are. And again you beg to outside. Personally I like it when people collapse to typo-crying, as it shows they know they're full of it - otherwise they'd straightforward ask for a clarification. "Right to die" is not wanting to nuke the world nor even justifying anything by the deranged "once they're dead they can't feel anything". That's pure around-the-bend crazy, regardless of whether that stings. I match tone, and am quite fond of engaging crass hypocrisy, senses of entitlement, nasty, and of course as you know, all of that and pure crazy too. And I don't have likes, or people I really reply to here, I reply to post content. Nor am I in any way concerned with "goodwill" above just getting down to accurate information. But you go right ahead with your begs to the greater theater. Maybe it will take the pressure of the unhinged, utterly hypocritical stuff you post. Given that there's no compelling reason why life needs to be created, then the principle of non-violence should obtain here (an act of imposing a burden on someone else without their consent, even if that burden may bring benefits, is an act of violence).How is it a 'call for help' to reference the results of your antagonising, apropos of the fact that you've claimed that I'm the one who habitually 'calls names', but yet I don't follow people around just to antagonise them. I would have asked for a clarification of your post, but I genuinely did assume that English was not your first language, even if it didn't seem as though I was asking in earnest. And it wasn't "typos", as I'd only draw attention to that if I was quoting within my own paragraph so as it could be known that the error was not my own(as opposed to a block quote, where it is presumed to be a direct cut and paste). And being opposed to the right to assisted dying is just a case of people imposing their own puritanical and mystical subjective values on other people's business, where it does not belong. Absolutely no different from people who want homosexuality banned because it offends them, except for the fact that it causes a great deal more suffering. And there are certain people that you will toady up to from time to time and adopt arguments that they have mooted for your own usage (referencing the eternal recurrence thing posted by Falconia).
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 27, 2018 0:50:14 GMT
tpfkar Again just now, "other people who have you on ignore", and your overt beg to a response being an "aggression". Sure, you made frustrated typo diving, but then you called direct names, which you continue to this day. No skin off me, but when you do that and then wail about tone and accurate appraisals of your crazy, it just shows what a delicate flower you are. And again you beg to outside. Personally I like it when people collapse to typo-crying, as it shows they know they're full of it - otherwise they'd straightforward ask for a clarification. "Right to die" is not wanting to nuke the world nor even justifying anything by the deranged "once they're dead they can't feel anything". That's pure around-the-bend crazy, regardless of whether that stings. I match tone, and am quite fond of engaging crass hypocrisy, senses of entitlement, nasty, and of course as you know, all of that and pure crazy too. And I don't have likes, or people I really reply to here, I reply to post content. Nor am I in any way concerned with "goodwill" above just getting down to accurate information. But you go right ahead with your begs to the greater theater. Maybe it will take the pressure of the unhinged, utterly hypocritical stuff you post. Given that there's no compelling reason why life needs to be created, then the principle of non-violence should obtain here (an act of imposing a burden on someone else without their consent, even if that burden may bring benefits, is an act of violence).How is it a 'call for help' to reference the results of your antagonising, apropos of the fact that you've claimed that I'm the one who habitually 'calls names', but yet I don't follow people around just to antagonise them. I would have asked for a clarification of your post, but I genuinely did assume that English was not your first language, even if it didn't seem as though I was asking in earnest. And it wasn't "typos", as I'd only draw attention to that if I was quoting within my own paragraph so as it could be known that the error was not my own(as opposed to a block quote, where it is presumed to be a direct cut and paste). And being opposed to the right to assisted dying is just a case of people imposing their own puritanical and mystical subjective values on other people's business, where it does not belong. Absolutely no different from people who want homosexuality banned because it offends them, except for the fact that it causes a great deal more suffering. And there are certain people that you will toady up to from time to time and adopt arguments that they have mooted for your own usage (referencing the eternal recurrence thing posted by Falconia). You're diving out of the conversation, like you've done before, looking for allies in people who like you have the great hypocrisy to set a tone and then wail about it being met. Trying to use it to wave away the fact that you dove to insults and repeatedly collapsed to wails, then insults, then wails/insults, ad infinitum. And you can lie out your ass all you like, it's not like it's not a regular trait of yours, but such a comment is not what one asks at a contentious point if they want some clarifications. But you keep on shoveling, I'm sure you'll think its bulletproof like all of your other arguments. And you lie outright. Pick where I "follow people around just to antagonise them" and let's walk though it. All your crying begs to that so far have just been you lashing out in pain. And btw, did you antagonize Graham or he you? I can tell you what it seemed like from all the bawling. And there you go some more just like you did from the start. Not to mention par-for-the-course dishonest, as it regards not just "other people" but the mentally ill, whose output of desires we can't trust. But nice nasty! Maybe I should wail like a babygirl about it instead of just point out how utterly ludicrous it is. "Homosexuals" aren't mentally ill, and again I accept any rational argument that makes sense - I guess to you that's "toadying"? And I've disagreed wiht Falconia as much as I've agreed with her on things, and have posted on it and would again if it came up again. I really don't understand how all this mystifies you. Well, probably I do. And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 11:03:33 GMT
tpfkar How is it a 'call for help' to reference the results of your antagonising, apropos of the fact that you've claimed that I'm the one who habitually 'calls names', but yet I don't follow people around just to antagonise them. I would have asked for a clarification of your post, but I genuinely did assume that English was not your first language, even if it didn't seem as though I was asking in earnest. And it wasn't "typos", as I'd only draw attention to that if I was quoting within my own paragraph so as it could be known that the error was not my own(as opposed to a block quote, where it is presumed to be a direct cut and paste). And being opposed to the right to assisted dying is just a case of people imposing their own puritanical and mystical subjective values on other people's business, where it does not belong. Absolutely no different from people who want homosexuality banned because it offends them, except for the fact that it causes a great deal more suffering. And there are certain people that you will toady up to from time to time and adopt arguments that they have mooted for your own usage (referencing the eternal recurrence thing posted by Falconia). You're diving out of the conversation, like you've done before, looking for allies in people who like you have the great hypocrisy to set a tone and then wail about it being met. Trying to use it to wave away the fact that you dove to insults and repeatedly collapsed to wails, then insults, then wails/insults, ad infinitum. And you can lie out your ass all you like, it's not like it's not a regular trait of yours, but such a comment is not what one asks at a contentious point if they want some clarifications. But you keep on shoveling, I'm sure you'll think its bulletproof like all of your other arguments. And you lie outright. Pick where I "follow people around just to antagonise them" and let's walk though it. All your crying begs to that so far have just been you lashing out in pain. And btw, did you antagonize Graham or he you? I can tell you what it seemed like from all the bawling. And there you go some more just like you did from the start. Not to mention par-for-the-course dishonest, as it regards not just "other people" but the mentally ill, whose output of desires we can't trust. But nice nasty! Maybe I should wail like a babygirl about it instead of just point out how utterly ludicrous it is. "Homosexuals" aren't mentally ill, and again I accept any rational argument that makes sense - I guess to you that's "toadying"? And I've disagreed wiht Falconia as much as I've agreed with her on things, and have posted on it and would again if it came up again. I really don't understand how all this mystifies you. Well, probably I do. And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.I'm not looking for any allies. Nobody reads these exchanges. I don't remember whether you had insulted me prior to the comment that I made about assuming that you didn't speak English as a first language; but in probably 80% or more of my posts to you, I retain a neutral tone that is neither hostile nor conciliatory. So if I set the tone, you were the one to escalate it and maintain that level of antagonism, likely because your feelings were hurt. I don't get hurt feelings on Internet message boards, and hardly ever in real life, so I'm not 'lashing out in pain'. As for the issue with graham, he was the one to make the declaration that he'd won the argument and wasn't going to respond any more, which was antagonistic and childish. Homosexuality did used to be a mental illness, and many of the people who oppose the right to homosexuality genuinely do want to save those people from themselves and think that they are doing something honorable, much like your 'we need to protect the vulnerable from harm by forcing them to be exposed indefinitely to the harm that is making them vulnerable, and not allowing them to escape harm'. And you will accept rational arguments that are consonant with what you already wish to believe is true. If you just accepted any rational argument, rather than persisting with 'allowing people to escape from harm is the greatest harm of all', and 'we need to show these people empathy by forcing our views on them and denying them the right to invest their wellbeing in their own views' and 'if I wanted to die, then I wouldn't want to die, therefore I shouldn't be allowed to die'.
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 27, 2018 13:48:34 GMT
tpfkar IMHO you have a range of psychological issues, despite being intelligent and articulate. In our previous discussions you have exhibited some of the traits of a sociopath, butt this new more worrying suggestion of using robots to killor limit mankind or some means to spray the population so that they cannot reproduce, which is your psychotic aim for humanity ie to cease being except for yourself, is definitely psychopathy. I also think you are on the spectrum for Asbergers I am no expert but I studied psychology at tertiary level www.psychologytoday.com/blog/wicked-deeds/201401/how-tell-sociopath-psychopathI'll give you Aspergers (which I have suspected that I possibly have), but that isn't a mental illness. If I were a psychopath, then I would have no concern for the suffering of others, let alone have a strong conviction that imposed suffering ought to be ended by drastic means. Although psychopathy/sociopathy aren't mental illnesses in any case, so you've failed to name anything that supports your charge of "certifiably insane". And yes, I would like to also cease to exist, but whilst I'm being forced to exist due to the restrictive and paternalistic laws on suicide, I want to at least contribute to getting these secular views more widely disseminated. "Forced to exist". And "no concern" and deranged misdirected "concern" that includes jackboot thugism and mass murder are very very different things. And your going on about lay usages fro utter crazy just highlights the utter crazy. And you and your rant-guy publicize just as widely as possible, please! On that note, you've also called me "deranged", which is the mental illness equivalent of "n*****"
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 27, 2018 14:20:27 GMT
tpfkar You're diving out of the conversation, like you've done before, looking for allies in people who like you have the great hypocrisy to set a tone and then wail about it being met. Trying to use it to wave away the fact that you dove to insults and repeatedly collapsed to wails, then insults, then wails/insults, ad infinitum. And you can lie out your ass all you like, it's not like it's not a regular trait of yours, but such a comment is not what one asks at a contentious point if they want some clarifications. But you keep on shoveling, I'm sure you'll think its bulletproof like all of your other arguments. And you lie outright. Pick where I "follow people around just to antagonise them" and let's walk though it. All your crying begs to that so far have just been you lashing out in pain. And btw, did you antagonize Graham or he you? I can tell you what it seemed like from all the bawling. And there you go some more just like you did from the start. Not to mention par-for-the-course dishonest, as it regards not just "other people" but the mentally ill, whose output of desires we can't trust. But nice nasty! Maybe I should wail like a babygirl about it instead of just point out how utterly ludicrous it is. "Homosexuals" aren't mentally ill, and again I accept any rational argument that makes sense - I guess to you that's "toadying"? And I've disagreed wiht Falconia as much as I've agreed with her on things, and have posted on it and would again if it came up again. I really don't understand how all this mystifies you. Well, probably I do. And if society wants the fairest possible state of affairs, that would mean no humans and no society.I'm not looking for any allies. Nobody reads these exchanges. I don't remember whether you had insulted me prior to the comment that I made about assuming that you didn't speak English as a first language; but in probably 80% or more of my posts to you, I retain a neutral tone that is neither hostile nor conciliatory. So if I set the tone, you were the one to escalate it and maintain that level of antagonism, likely because your feelings were hurt. I don't get hurt feelings on Internet message boards, and hardly ever in real life, so I'm not 'lashing out in pain'. As for the issue with graham, he was the one to make the declaration that he'd won the argument and wasn't going to respond any more, which was antagonistic and childish. Homosexuality did used to be a mental illness, and many of the people who oppose the right to homosexuality genuinely do want to save those people from themselves and think that they are doing something honorable, much like your 'we need to protect the vulnerable from harm by forcing them to be exposed indefinitely to the harm that is making them vulnerable, and not allowing them to escape harm'. And you will accept rational arguments that are consonant with what you already wish to believe is true. If you just accepted any rational argument, rather than persisting with 'allowing people to escape from harm is the greatest harm of all', and 'we need to show these people empathy by forcing our views on them and denying them the right to invest their wellbeing in their own views' and 'if I wanted to die, then I wouldn't want to die, therefore I shouldn't be allowed to die'. You can ludicrously assert all you like, much how you're compelled over and over to Arlon-style boast how good your ludicrous "arguments are. I don't care what you "remember", you're an unadulterated liar who goes on pure streams of (the most ludicrous, deranged) insults then wails like a little girl about tone and begs the board, lying outright. And you'll have to get over your ladybaby "antagonism", as your pure bullsh!t will be pointed out as such no matter how much you keep squealing. As for the Graham thing, you shrilly bawled about him replying to you then spun like a stuck toddler when he did not reply any more. You are such a puerile hypocrite. Homosexuality is not wanting the state to get into the killing-support business because you've got a boo-boo and and are too incompetent/narcissistic to carry out the trivially-done if actually decided-upon act, regardless of your alt-right nature of using ludicrous analogies, or, how do you describe it, "soupçons of whimsical hyperbole" . They key nature is the harm done - if homosexuality or any other type of sexuality was immediately fatal, then of course the issue would have an entirely different complexion. But wail on with your morbid religious projections and uproarious delicate flower complaints of aggression. Regardless, as you emit derangement and demonstrate your psychopathies and massive hypocrisies, they will be noted every time. Violence in this case would be the imposition of needs, wants and the potential for suffering by way of the creation of new life.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 27, 2018 18:01:48 GMT
tpfkar I'm not looking for any allies. Nobody reads these exchanges. I don't remember whether you had insulted me prior to the comment that I made about assuming that you didn't speak English as a first language; but in probably 80% or more of my posts to you, I retain a neutral tone that is neither hostile nor conciliatory. So if I set the tone, you were the one to escalate it and maintain that level of antagonism, likely because your feelings were hurt. I don't get hurt feelings on Internet message boards, and hardly ever in real life, so I'm not 'lashing out in pain'. As for the issue with graham, he was the one to make the declaration that he'd won the argument and wasn't going to respond any more, which was antagonistic and childish. Homosexuality did used to be a mental illness, and many of the people who oppose the right to homosexuality genuinely do want to save those people from themselves and think that they are doing something honorable, much like your 'we need to protect the vulnerable from harm by forcing them to be exposed indefinitely to the harm that is making them vulnerable, and not allowing them to escape harm'. And you will accept rational arguments that are consonant with what you already wish to believe is true. If you just accepted any rational argument, rather than persisting with 'allowing people to escape from harm is the greatest harm of all', and 'we need to show these people empathy by forcing our views on them and denying them the right to invest their wellbeing in their own views' and 'if I wanted to die, then I wouldn't want to die, therefore I shouldn't be allowed to die'. You can ludicrously assert all you like, much how you're compelled over and over to Arlon-style boast how good your ludicrous "arguments are. I don't care what you "remember", you're an unadulterated liar who goes on pure streams of (the most ludicrous, deranged) insults then wails like a little girl about tone and begs the board, lying outright. And you'll have to get over your ladybaby "antagonism", as your pure bullsh!t will be pointed out as such no matter how much you keep squealing. As for the Graham thing, you shrilly bawled about him replying to you then spun like a stuck toddler when he did not reply any more. You are such a puerile hypocrite. Homosexuality is not wanting the state to get into the killing-support business because you've got a boo-boo and and are too incompetent/narcissistic to carry out the trivially-done if actually decided-upon act, regardless of your alt-right nature of using ludicrous analogies, or, how do you describe it, "soupçons of whimsical hyperbole" . They key nature is the harm done - if homosexuality or any other type of sexuality was immediately fatal, then of course the issue would have an entirely different complexion. But wail on with your morbid religious projections and uproarious delicate flower complaints of aggression. Regardless, as you emit derangement and demonstrate your psychopathies and massive hypocrisies, they will be noted every time. Violence in this case would be the imposition of needs, wants and the potential for suffering by way of the creation of new life.What "harm done"? Are you saying that harm is an objective reality, rather than a subjective one? That harm can exist even where there is nobody feeling harmed? The scenario in which the suffering person is assisted to die in a clinic is one where his last experiences are ones of relief at having secured the assistance necessary to end his suffering, followed by ceasing to exist (which we agree cannot be harmful). So if the person being assisted to die doesn't experience subjective harm, then that would only leave some kind of 'objective harm' (and yet you've ridiculed me for saying that, in some sense, there are objective moral principles). Otherwise, where is the harm that's done?
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 27, 2018 18:13:12 GMT
tpfkar You can ludicrously assert all you like, much how you're compelled over and over to Arlon-style boast how good your ludicrous "arguments are. I don't care what you "remember", you're an unadulterated liar who goes on pure streams of (the most ludicrous, deranged) insults then wails like a little girl about tone and begs the board, lying outright. And you'll have to get over your ladybaby "antagonism", as your pure bullsh!t will be pointed out as such no matter how much you keep squealing. As for the Graham thing, you shrilly bawled about him replying to you then spun like a stuck toddler when he did not reply any more. You are such a puerile hypocrite. Homosexuality is not wanting the state to get into the killing-support business because you've got a boo-boo and and are too incompetent/narcissistic to carry out the trivially-done if actually decided-upon act, regardless of your alt-right nature of using ludicrous analogies, or, how do you describe it, "soupçons of whimsical hyperbole" . They key nature is the harm done - if homosexuality or any other type of sexuality was immediately fatal, then of course the issue would have an entirely different complexion. But wail on with your morbid religious projections and uproarious delicate flower complaints of aggression. Regardless, as you emit derangement and demonstrate your psychopathies and massive hypocrisies, they will be noted every time. Violence in this case would be the imposition of needs, wants and the potential for suffering by way of the creation of new life.What "harm done"? Are you saying that harm is an objective reality, rather than a subjective one? That harm can exist even where there is nobody feeling harmed? The scenario in which the suffering person is assisted to die in a clinic is one where his last experiences are ones of relief at having secured the assistance necessary to end his suffering, followed by ceasing to exist (which we agree cannot be harmful). So if the person being assisted to die doesn't experience subjective harm, then that would only leave some kind of 'objective harm' (and yet you've ridiculed me for saying that, in some sense, there are objective moral principles). Otherwise, where is the harm that's done? Offing the mentally ill at the behest of their illness, of course, as has been related to you countless times. And you're the one who babbles on about "objective reality" even where it is nowhere to be found. No, the non-deranged non-psychopaths among us have the shared subjective of protecting the vulnerable from those with murderous intent. As for your "we agree" lunacy, of course the killing is harmful, and the "dead can't be harmed" is purely the pipe smoke of supervillain psychopaths. Not at all, because it's better for me to suffer than for a greater number of people to suffer.
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