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Post by koskiewicz on Jan 20, 2018 18:29:07 GMT
...eat well, exercise, don't partake in bad habits, die anyway...sh!t happens...
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Post by OldSamVimes on Jan 20, 2018 22:08:34 GMT
You better believe it, bucko.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 20, 2018 23:01:36 GMT
8 hour of sleep 2 hours getting ready for work 8 hours at work 2 hours drive time 4 hours left in the day to make dinner, clean, shop, pay bills, and watch a couple shitty sitcoms. Life is complete shit. I guess most people just don't want to answer the fucking question. But the good news is that this is all proof that god exists. And this is the scenario which obtains only if you have *exceptionally* good luck in the lottery. A mundane life like that, with no serious harms is far better than what most who have been forced into this can realistically expect. Most people struggle to even feed themselves and stay healthy. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 21, 2018 15:22:04 GMT
tpfkar 8 hour of sleep 2 hours getting ready for work 8 hours at work 2 hours drive time 4 hours left in the day to make dinner, clean, shop, pay bills, and watch a couple shitty sitcoms. Life is complete shit. I guess most people just don't want to answer the fucking question. But the good news is that this is all proof that god exists. And this is the scenario which obtains only if you have *exceptionally* good luck in the lottery. A mundane life like that, with no serious harms is far better than what most who have been forced into this can realistically expect. Most people struggle to even feed themselves and stay healthy. Sucks to be you, homicidal Eeyore.
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Post by koskiewicz on Jan 21, 2018 17:07:38 GMT
"we are all in a world of sh!t!"
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 17:25:02 GMT
[br It 'sucks' to be a victim of people acting in their own interests without heed for the risks that they're taking for others. And my story isn't even all that extremely bad. I hit the thumbs up by mistake, as I'm typing on my phone. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 21, 2018 17:28:18 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 17:32:53 GMT
No difference between my parents and you and your mating partner. For all the control that parents have over a child's disposition, I could very well be your own son. My parents are good, liberal and caring people, and I had a comfortable middle class upbringing. You don't know which kids are going to be resentful of their existence, it's a lottery. |
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 21, 2018 17:35:16 GMT
tpfkar No difference between my parents and you and your mating partner. For all the control that parents have over a child's disposition, I could very well be your own son. My parents are good, liberal and caring people, and I had a comfortable middle class upbringing. You don't know which kids are going to be resentful of their existence, it's a lottery. Nah, it's pretty easy to see the effect parents can have. At the very least they didn't get you a whole lot of help early. The lottery win is getting the option of either experiencing this great blast or choosing to check out early, vs. no option at all.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 21, 2018 19:23:32 GMT
8 hour of sleep 2 hours getting ready for work 8 hours at work 2 hours drive time 4 hours left in the day to make dinner, clean, shop, pay bills, and watch a couple shitty sitcoms. Life is complete shit. I guess most people just don't want to answer the fucking question. But the good news is that this is all proof that god exists. That schedule was mine for decades, with brief interludes of true love, deep sorrow, meaningful creative work, hideously miserable work, contentedness in nature... kind of like a long-running TV series, with multi-episode arcs. Now that I am retired, my goal is simple contentedness, the least amount of trouble, but that still remains elusive for a few reasons. Really? How does that prove god exists? And how does that make anything better? |
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 21, 2018 19:37:29 GMT
Is life hard? If you think it is, why are so many people alive? Why do most people have children? Or do you think life is a piece of cake? To answer the original questions: Yes, life is hard, the basis is survival of the fittest. Even the fittest struggle and die in the end. So many people are alive because advances in medical science has saved so many lives. Most people have children because they don't realize it's okay NOT to have children, and any real choice has only been fairly recently, with effective means of birth control. Hormones drive mating, mating produces children. No, life is not a piece of cake. Unless you are in the top 1% of wealthy, privileged people who have all their physical needs filled without worry or effort, and can afford to do things they like, instead of focusing on mere survival. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:05:23 GMT
Yes, life is hard (The idea of “happiness” seems a lure to passify us.) I prefer to think of the difficulty as an opportunity for development based on communicating and exploring the unknown with others, such as gadreel and rachelcarson1953, who seem to be looking for the same thing. A blog entry I wrote a few years ago most concisely expresses my ideas on this. |
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Post by them1ghtyhumph on Jan 21, 2018 21:25:17 GMT
Is life hard? If you think it is, why are so many people alive? Why do most people have children? Or do you think life is a piece of cake? Having children is a very selfish act |
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Post by lowtacks86 on Jan 21, 2018 21:30:46 GMT
Yes, that's why God created drugs and alcohol
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 21:43:38 GMT
Meh. It has ups and downs. I prefer it to the alternative, though.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:11:50 GMT
Meh. It has ups and downs. I prefer it to the alternative, though. What's the alternative, and what's your experience with the alternative? I don't remember any alternative to be able to draw a preference between life and whatever that alternative is. I thought that one needed to be able to at least imagine the alternative (can anyone imagine not existing, or when they attempt to imagine that, are they always imagining themselves as an observer of their own non-existence?) in order to have a preference between that and the known experience? So if 'not life' (i.e. non-existence) is the alternative you're referencing; what do you remember of not existing from which to determine what your 'preference' is? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 21, 2018 22:16:56 GMT
tpfkar No difference between my parents and you and your mating partner. For all the control that parents have over a child's disposition, I could very well be your own son. My parents are good, liberal and caring people, and I had a comfortable middle class upbringing. You don't know which kids are going to be resentful of their existence, it's a lottery. Nah, it's pretty easy to see the effect parents can have. At the very least they didn't get you a whole lot of help early. The lottery win is getting the option of either experiencing this great blast or choosing to check out early, vs. no option at all.
Bill Gates: Why I Decided To Edit an Issue of TIMESo now it's my parent's fault that I'm a 'psychopath', and not owing to any of that nebulously defined 'free will' thing? And if the lottery win is to be born, then who is sitting with the losing tickets? By that I mean how do we identify the individual people who didn't get conceived and thus were never born? Because if everyone who is entered into the lottery (without their consent, I might add) wins the same prize, then that hardly squares with the definition of 'lottery' does it? Have you ever heard of a lottery where every ticket wins a prize, and it's always the same prize? An old Jewish saying is apt here: Life is so terrible, it would have been better not to have been born. Who is so lucky? Not one in a hundred thousand! |
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Post by cupcakes on Jan 21, 2018 22:40:53 GMT
tpfkar Nah, it's pretty easy to see the effect parents can have. At the very least they didn't get you a whole lot of help early. The lottery win is getting the option of either experiencing this great blast or choosing to check out early, vs. no option at all.
Bill Gates: Why I Decided To Edit an Issue of TIMESo now it's my parent's fault that I'm a 'psychopath', and not owing to any of that nebulously defined 'free will' thing? And if the lottery win is to be born, then who is sitting with the losing tickets? By that I mean how do we identify the individual people who didn't get conceived and thus were never born? Because if everyone who is entered into the lottery (without their consent, I might add) wins the same prize, then that hardly squares with the definition of 'lottery' does it? Have you ever heard of a lottery where every ticket wins a prize, and it's always the same prize? An old Jewish saying is apt here: Life is so terrible, it would have been better not to have been born. Who is so lucky? Not one in a hundred thousand!You didn't happen or crash to homicidal psychopathy overnight. And of course you're all about extreme endpoints with no care for realities.  So many zygotes get flushed down the works. And your proverb sums up your thought processes perfectly. Choose to convince people to choose differently while holding that actual choice doesn't exist, "raped" by being born, dead can't hurt, and kill them to save them and all that. 
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Post by gadreel on Jan 22, 2018 1:24:37 GMT
No, life is not hard really, there are challenges and there are rewards and yes it requires effort, but hard is not the way to look at it. Life is exciting.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Jan 22, 2018 3:39:12 GMT
That schedule was mine for decades, with brief interludes of true love, deep sorrow, meaningful creative work, hideously miserable work, contentedness in nature... kind of like a long-running TV series, with multi-episode arcs. Now that I am retired, my goal is simple contentedness, the least amount of trouble, but that still remains elusive for a few reasons. Really? How does that prove god exists? And how does that make anything better? God has to exist because most people don't kill themselves. Life is terrible. The good moments of life barely make a dent in the bullshit. So why don't most people just kill themselves? The only reason most of us decide to keep living through the shit is because of a greater force compelling us to. Because of God we keep enduring and creating new life. Despite the fact that life is mostly terrible and our children will have to live through it. Are you aware of antinatalism? We can choose to not reproduce so there are no children to suffer. I'm a newcomer to the formal concept, but there is a poster here on the RFS board, @miccee, who is very familiar with it. |
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